One week from today... (G87 M2 embargo ends this Sunday, April 2nd)

zero21 · 03-27-2023, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tracer bullet

Interested in the Savagegeese review as well as some of the others mentioned earlier.

Hope to see some back to back comparisons against the Supra and Nissan Z, maybe the Z4 as well. May sound like some unlikely cross shoppers in there but with 3 of the 4 having an I6 and the 4th a strong V6, and 3 of 4 being available with a stick (in theory the Z4 may have it someday, potentially from either the Supra or M2)...

Those two cars are not competitors to the M2. They are dedicated two seat, two door sports cars.

The reason why the M2 is so awesome is that it plays their sport better than them, and still has utility.

M2Cmtl · 03-27-2023, 09:45 AM

I think the reviews will be generally positive since its really the same formula but:
- Thank god it didn't get the huge grills
- Lament of loss of caracter but praise of way more traction/stability
- Tigher back seat / weight/power ratio
- carbon roof/seats
- More compliant ride due to adaptive suspension
- agressive looks

tracer bullet · 03-27-2023, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by zero21

Those two cars are not competitors to the M2. They are dedicated two seat, two door sports cars..

I basically agree, like I said unlikely cross shoppers. I am actually juggling them all as future cars and I'm willing to bet the comparisons will be made. M2 doesn't really have a lot of easy direct competitors but it won't stop the reviewers from coming up with some.

WBRacing · 03-27-2023, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tracer bullet

I basically agree, like I said unlikely cross shoppers. I am actually juggling them all as future cars and I'm willing to bet the comparisons will be made. M2 doesn't really have a lot of easy direct competitors but it won't stop the reviewers from coming up with some.

I can't speak for everyone but I was cross shopping M2's with a manual Supra. I was considering a M2, Supra, Used 718 before I picked the M2. 2 door sports cars with a stick. I think it will be interesting to hear reviews on the driving dynamics of the three.

T_U_D · 03-27-2023, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Manual Z4 expected to start production 3/2024. FUN car. I'm partial to the smaller size and prefer BMW over Toyota servicing.

While I appreciate that BMW continues to produce the Z4 which is coming to a final close for the BMW roadster, the price point of one is difficult to grasp given what they are. It takes a special buyer to want a roadster as their only car in a world dominated by SUVs and pickups.

Rx-7ames · 03-27-2023, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by T_U_D

While I appreciate that BMW continues to produce the Z4 which is coming to a final close for the BMW roadster, the price point of one is difficult to grasp given what they are. It takes a special buyer to want a roadster as their only car in a world dominated by SUVs and pickups.

I too find it hard to justify the price of the Z4. There's just so many options for that price.

cmgbk75 · 03-27-2023, 05:06 PM

Baseball, Final 4 & The M2, what an exciting week ahead!

BMWGirlFL · 03-27-2023, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rx-7ames

I too find it hard to justify the price of the Z4. There's just so many options for that price.

With anything close to a 97.2" wheelbase & 3.9 sec. 0-60? What?

Rx-7ames · 03-27-2023, 05:51 PM

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With anything close to a 97.2" wheelbase & 3.9 sec. 0-60? What?

I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean a direct comparrison. What I mean is, after I built a Z4 M40 I realized I could build an X4 M40 for the same price. I can't psychologically understand how a small roadster costs as much as an SUV. I couldn't pull the trigger on a Z4 knowing I could have an X4 M40 for the same price. One is a lot more useful than the other.

I am selling my M Roadster and my FJ Cruiser for a single car, so the X4 makes sense. But I also want a small nimble sports car. The M2 is just a step more useful than a Z4, and less price, so in the end I can't justify spending so much on the Z4. M2 wins, and I can always get an SUV later.

tracer bullet · 03-27-2023, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by T_U_D

It takes a special buyer to want a roadster as their only car

I don't have stats, but I'd guess most Z4 owners have another car.

T_U_D · 03-27-2023, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tracer bullet

I don't have stats, but I'd guess most Z4 owners have another car.

Like a 718 Boxster owner, a G29 Z4 is not typically their primary mode of transportation. It is a toy.

aerobod · 03-27-2023, 10:41 PM

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Like a 718 Boxster owner, a G29 Z4 is not typically their primary mode of transportation. It is a toy.

Our Z4 M was the general utility vehicle used for daily driving year-round, roof down on -5C days with the sun shining was quite pleasant with heated seats and a powerful heater. Good thing about a convertible is no roof to get in the way:

BMWGirlFL · 03-27-2023, 11:27 PM

Been managing with a small trunk & without a back seat since trading out of my E30 coupe almost 30 years ago. My Z4 is toy fun & DD functional.

eddj · 03-28-2023, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tag

I predict the closest comparison to its driving dynamics will be the F87 M2CS.

I think the G87 reviews will be like= take all the 2023 M240i RWD reviews on youtube + add better braking system

T_U_D · 03-28-2023, 10:47 AM

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I think the G87 reviews will be like= take all the 2023 M240i RWD reviews on youtube + add better braking system

That is the one thing I am not hopeful for, better braking. In fact I am expecting complaints. We will find out in 5 days.

zero21 · 03-28-2023, 11:17 AM

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That is the one thing I am not hopeful for, better braking. In fact I am expecting complaints. We will find out in 5 days.

That would be a massive bummer since the car has the same hardware as the bigger brothers and does weigh a bit less...I'm guessing you drove a well used demo? 😉

DSTR · 03-28-2023, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by aerobod

Our Z4 M was the general utility vehicle used for daily driving year-round, roof down on -5C days with the sun shining was quite pleasant with heated seats and a powerful heater. Good thing about a convertible is no roof to get in the way:

No need for a Ute and much more fun to drive. Love that photo!

Tag · 03-28-2023, 04:22 PM

Man, looks like it pulls hard. Can't wait for this weekend!

T_U_D · 03-28-2023, 04:34 PM

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Man, looks like it pulls hard. Can't wait for this weekend!

Sorry Tag Repost. Worth another watch or two or three though.

BTW, Those Shadowline headlights looks great too!

Tag · 03-28-2023, 04:43 PM

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Sorry Tag Repost. Worth another watch or two or three though.

BTW, Those Shadowline headlights looks great too!

Sorry zero21, didn't see you already posted this. This forum is so busy I can't keep track anymore.

T_U_D · 03-28-2023, 04:53 PM

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Sorry zero21, didn't see you already posted this. This forum is so busy I can't keep track anymore.

Agreed and it is about to get a whole lot worse with the press embargo about to expire.

WBRacing · 03-28-2023, 04:58 PM

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Agreed and it is about to get a whole lot worse with the press embargo about to expire.

Seems like a reasonable trade off currently. If I still feel that way this time next week well see.

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