06-12-2023, 01:27 AM | #23 |
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Interesting....I am actually considering the Gulia QV against the M2
The options I have lined up are: G87 M2 Porsche 992 Gulia QV (Facelift MY24) The Porsche is my dream car and although my wife is on 5'1 and myself only 5'8, I dont think we can make it work with out two kids in the back for too long (currently aged 11 & 7, average height boys). So it is now down to the Gulia QV or the G87 M2 I am coming from a G20 M340i and just want something sportier looking and driveability, something a little more special for weekend drives with the family. |
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If you don't care about all the things the Supra is bad at, and don't want the things the M cars are good at, then the Supra is the better pick. Obvious, right? The Quadrifoglio is a great car, but also kind of out of the G87's class. It's about $20K more expensive. So sure, if that's in your budget, and the reliability (or lack of MT) isn't a dealbreaker, it's a good pick. |
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06-12-2023, 07:25 AM | #25 | |
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Get the Guiia QV with its 4 doors. Weekend drives sure have come up a notch since I was a kid. My first memory of weekend drives was in a new 1960 Ford Station Wagon. |
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06-12-2023, 09:26 AM | #26 |
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Why won’t kids fit in the back of the M2 in your opinion? What happened to your family when you carried them in your M2? Did they complain?
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06-12-2023, 10:57 AM | #28 |
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I tried that boat thinking I wasn't going to get an M2 as quickly as I did. $80-90k for a 2019~ LCI Cayman S is insanely overpriced for small 4 cylinder sports car. Best of luck.
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06-12-2023, 12:41 PM | #31 |
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Should be a bit more, about 50mm more knee room with the seat in the same position as in the F22/87. About 25mm less headroom, but at 1.75m / 5'9" tall I can sit in the back with my head just reaching the headliner with the carbon roof (no sun roof intrusion).
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Girls hit their growth spurt much earlier than boys and she is almost done growing at 14. Most boys will slowly increase in height and then rapidly change in the 14-16 age range. I think the M2 can comfortably accommodate someone in the rear seat until their height is above 5’7” or 5’8”. I’m 5’11” and can fit well enough for short trips (contorting a little bit), much like sitting in the back of my friends E92 335i back in 2009ish. I wouldn’t use it as a primary “family car”, but you can put a family in it for weekend drives and such. I think the M2 will feel more special than a 4 door Guilia, but that comes at the expense of some practicality. I wouldn’t use the M2 as a primary family car, but you certainly can put a youngish family in it for a weekend away or weekend drive. -Nick Last edited by npirnia; 06-12-2023 at 01:47 PM.. |
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Unless you're just spending a ton of time on the road with 2+2 in the car on weekends, get the 911. It's your dream car and there is no substitute, certainly not the M2. By the time your boys outgrow the back seats, you will probably be spending less time with them and not hauling both of them around everywhere.
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People forget, but initially, the Giulia Q could be had with a manual. I don't understand why they dropped it, BMW managed to keep theirs in the F80 and now the G80.
VIERsr great writeup, I need to hit up Dielsdorf for a test drive.
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Besides the fit there's the stigma -- for the want of a better word -- about riding in the back seat especially a two door. They'll get in the back seat with no argument then like a switch being flipped they won't. 'course, when I was a kid if I had refused to get in the back seat there would have been no argument. Dad (or Mom) would have driven off and I would have had to walk. The other problem is carrying passengers in the back seat of a 2 door is the passenger and sometimes even the driver has to get out to let the back seat passengers out. I don't have kids. I have carried adults in the back seat of some of my 2 door cars but not on a regular basis. My 90+ year old Dad managed to get in the back seat of my Porsche 996 Turbo so Mom could have the front seat. But he only got in the back seat a few times. And the trip was just a few minutes long. I really like my M2. But if I had to carry passengers, even kids, on a regular basis in the back seats I'd have a 2nd car (or SUV) with 4 doors. |
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I had a feeling you didn’t carry kids on the back (hence my question posed that way). I appreciate where you’re coming from, and please take no disrespect with my position here, I suppose we’re all sharing experiences. I guess this is where people with no kids have to take the back seat (this is either a bad pun or a good dad joke, it depends on whether one reading is a parent or not lol). I’ve heard numerous people saying “people that have kids need 4 doors, a minivan, an SUV”. I’ve seen people trade a 4 door sedan to a 7 passenger minivan/SUV because they “have a second child on the way”. Nonsense. This is WHY the M2 exists. It’s a compromised car for people that compromise. It’s not a dedicated family car. It’s not a dedicated sports car. This is BMW. This is what they do. See how Porsche doesn’t try to compete? And how BMW doesn’t try to compete with Porsche? If I, for example, was to not compromise, and carry passengers, I’d have way more options in cars… there are no manual transmission coupes for 4/5 people other than the M2. I carry family in it. Not just small children. An 11 year old (unless a giant) will NEVER outgrow the back seat. My adult family is 5’10 and 6 feet tall. I’m 6 foot. They ride in the back. For road trips. With a rearward facing seat in the middle (so 5 sitting). As I mentioned in my “Dream Come true” thread. When my son outgrows his rear facing seat, it’ll be flipped forward. When he outgrows that, he’s sitting in the back. When he is 15, he’s driving this car. It has a ski pass through/the seats fold down for winter ski trips. It goes to the track and is fast there. It goes to Costco. It picks family up at the airport after international flights with 70 pound luggages. Would a minivan do some of those duties better? Yes. Would a dedicated sports car do some of those duties better? Yes. Does this car do it all in ONE vehicle? |
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Dude, dont tease me!!! That was my dream car for a summer... until they broke the autoamtic news :*( it was my screen saver, I had it up on the office tv for anyone interested in talking about it.
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I considered the 981 GT4 before the M2, but gave up after a few weeks on the market because of the poor offer and the compromises one has to make for a used car.
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I updated the first post with updates after a month of ownership.
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