[jessejericho]

Originally Posted by 3some!

Just keep your revs above 3k and enjoy.

This - in Sport+ over 5-6k RPM this thing is ridiculous, makes me laugh every time

[Kanrai]

My son thinks my sti is faster cause of the turbo lag…..I just hit 600miles and damn not even pushing it, I can tell this car wants to go.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by jessejericho

This - in Sport+ over 5-6k RPM this thing is ridiculous, makes me laugh every time

+1... if winding it out in 2nd and 3rd doesnt at least make you smile, maybe you just dont like driving. it really is hard to stay in a bad mood driving one

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by Danman5666

This is a crazy post. I don't even know why this is even getting attention.

That could be said for half of all posts...

[Dave07997S]

I love the 2 posts...borderline trolling.

[BLKM]

Originally Posted by minimik

I've had the car since December and don't get to drive it too much, I have a very short commute to work and my family life doesn't allow too much free time to run away to the local canyon for hours on Sundays. I managed to get up to my local canyon this week and put it to its paces, but the car just doesn't feel that fast, am I crazy? It's a manual, and I'm not better than any new automatic, so there is that, but after the loaner i4 I had recently (when the M2 was in for it's 1200 mile service), I just am not really impressed. It has good brakes and pretty good traction, but the acceleration isn't that great, you have to rev it all the way out and even then it doesn't pin you to your seat.

Watch the Chris Harris review on this car for his perspective on ‘fast’ or Matt Watson CarWow drag races!

[apez]

I don't know where you all live that you are able to WOT and run 2nd and 3rd out, but I rarely get to the top of second.

Now that it is finally summer and I can drive more maybe I will build some confidence, but full throttle I am going so fast so quickly I hardly have time to process it.

Still haven't had the back step out much on me either in MDM yet.

[clydefrog]

Originally Posted by apez

I don't know where you all live that you are able to WOT and run 2nd and 3rd out, but I rarely get to the top of second.

Now that it is finally summer and I can drive more maybe I will build some confidence, but full throttle I am going so fast so quickly I hardly have time to process it.

Still haven't had the back step out much on me either in MDM yet.

most freeway onramps you can ring it out in 2nd all the way up to redline, I think it's only like 70 mph; 3rd on the otherhand... definitely need to hit a non-congested Mexican part of the freeway

[ScottyRyan2019]

Naaaaa. The car is a pig. Sell it and buy a used Stage 3 Yugo.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by ScottyRyan2019

Naaaaa. The car is a pig. Sell it and buy a used Stage 3 Yugo.

You’re not wrong on the first point.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by robopp

You’re not wrong on the first point.

All relative, of course. Like the X3MC is fat and poor handling compared with the G87.

[ScottyRyan2019]

Originally Posted by robopp

You’re not wrong on the first point.

🤣🤣🤣. I love the look of the G87

[robopp]

Originally Posted by aerobod

All relative, of course. Like the X3MC is fat and poor handling compared with the G87.

Who buys a X3MC for the handling? That’s a people mover that can do the 1/4 in 11.7 and run over curbs, if needed.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by ScottyRyan2019

🤣🤣🤣. I love the look of the G87

I was talking about the weight, not the look. I like the look too!

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by robopp

Who buys a X3MC for the handling? That’s a people mover that can do the 1/4 in 11.7 and run over curbs, if needed.

Funny thing is it is pretty useless for carrying stuff. The 2024 X3MC has a 409kg payload compared with 455kg for the manual G87. Useful for carrying a few not-so-heavy people and party helium balloons. If you fit 19" wheels it may go over a few curbs without damage, but stock wheels and suspension is just as vulnerable as the G87, considering it is the same platform underneath.

My back-to-back experience with both is that the X3MC brakes definitely fade fast on track with the 20% higher weight than the G87 and same brakes, and it feels quite tippy in the corners due to the high CoG.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Funny thing is it is pretty useless for carrying stuff. The 2024 X3MC has a 409kg payload compared with 455kg for the manual G87. Useful for carrying a few not-so-heavy people and party helium balloons. If you fit 19" wheels it may go over a few curbs without damage, but stock wheels and suspension is just as vulnerable as the G87, considering it is the same platform underneath.

My back-to-back experience with both is that the X3MC brakes definitely fade fast on track with the 20% higher weight than the G87 and same brakes, and it feels quite tippy in the corners due to the high CoG.

Payload? I’m not carry rocks in it. It’s a hatch with a ton more vertical space. 56.5 cubic feet vs 19 in the G87 is a big difference. We only have one kid and it fits all his stuff and my wife’s perfectly, which is a lot of s**t btw. I do wish I got a X5MC, but at the time I felt that’s too big of a vehicle. 735M wheels are forged vs the G87 cast wheels so will handle a lot more curbs before bending.
If I’m going for a ‘drive’ I don’t take the X3MC. That’s what my 992 911T is for. That thing is a scapel at 3200lbs with RAS.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by robopp

That’s what my 992 911T is for. That thing is a scapel at 3200lbs with RAS.

Quite a fat pig for a 2-seat sports car. My Caterham at 540kg (1200lbs) and 212WHP, as a scalpel makes the 911T look and feel like a blunt butter knife

[ScottyRyan2019]

Originally Posted by robopp

I was talking about the weight, not the look. I like the look too!

Oh I got ya 👍. I will say I prefer the heavy solid feel. I get into my little Mazda CX-30 and it's like a tin can.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Quite a fat pig for a 2-seat sports car. My Caterham at 540kg (1200lbs) and 212WHP, as a scalpel makes the 911T look and feel like a blunt butter knife

Sounds fun! Enjoy it! Too bad we can’t get them in the US

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by robopp

84bhp with a 6.9 second 0-60 and 105 top speed? Lol

The base Caterham isn't anything like the top spec models in performance, a bit like comparing a 4-cylinder Macan with a GT3 RS, although the base level Caterham still has better road feel than pretty well any other car on the road. My 2012 car to R500 spec is 212WHP measured in 4th gear (about 260bhp at the crank), 0-60mph in 2.9 seconds and rev limited to 8300RPM at the moment at 147mph (engine forged internals are built to take 9000RPM, so 160mph top speed if I put the limiter to that RPM).

Caterham is much more visceral on the track than any stock Porsche. 718 Cayman GT4 RS that another member of our track club has is less involving and less fun than my Caterham, feels heavy in comparison, even though the power to weight ratio of the cars is similar.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by robopp

Sounds fun! Enjoy it! Too bad we can’t get them in the US

Caterhams are available in the US: https://rockymountaincaterham.com/, generally a year or more wait for a factory slot, with only about 700 cars built for worldwide sale. Will also cost well over US$100,000 for a top spec model where the options list (such as heater, carpet, windshield, besides the performance parts) soon push the base price up.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Caterhams are available in the US: https://rockymountaincaterham.com/, generally a year or more wait for a factory slot, with only about 700 cars built for worldwide sale. Will also cost well over US$100,000 for a top spec model where the options list (such as heater, carpet, windshield, besides the performance parts) soon push the base price up.

I learn something new everyday. $100k for a top spec isn’t bad at all especially considering how much all cars cost now. Thanks for the info. Not sure how I didn’t know about these, but I definitely never heard of them nor have I seen one in person. Cheers!