[Tag]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy's Dodge

Interesting. I have both in the garage right now. E92 definitely better, but I wouldn’t say night and day…so I’m curious what about the e92 stands out to you? Thinking about it will give me an excuse to go for a drive

It just felt more connected. The feedback from the hydraulic steering was very analog, because it literally is analog. It wasn't artificially heavy, nor did it have a deadspot on center. I could feel everything the front wheels were doing. It was just better at transmitting what the wheels were doing through the steering wheel.

[matty_f]

In my opinion there are really no great electric steering racks. F87 wasn’t great either and it was electric. E92 is hydraulic which is probably why you like it. If you want feel you need an older car. The G87 feels a bit disconnected, but it is very precise.

Side note, even the 991.2 GT3 leaves something to be desired. Last great steering for Porsche was on the 997.

[matty_f]

And anyone saying the G87 is boring is driving it wrong. It’s an amazing Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde car.

[Montaver]

Steering ‘feel’ has a few dimensions. If you want road texture you need to remove rubber from the suspension, the downside is NVH. The other killer of steering feel in this car is the wheel is overly thick and padded. Change to a thinner less padded wheel and change some of the bushings and you will have tons of road feel. Reducing unsprung weight on the wheels also increases your feel of the tarmac. What it won’t change is the way the steering weights up which isn’t as natural as a hydraulic rack. I owned an E9x M3 and the steering was good but the delta isn’t huge, and it’s offset by how accurate the EPS is and that it doesn’t overheat and spew fluid all over your engine bay on track. In terms of ratio I think the G87 feels very similar to the E92, makes sense as they also have a very close wheelbase.

[chrisg123]

Decisions, decisions. Ugh

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by Tag

It just felt more connected. The feedback from the hydraulic steering was very analog, because it literally is analog. It wasn't artificially heavy, nor did it have a deadspot on center. I could feel everything the front wheels were doing. It was just better at transmitting what the wheels were doing through the steering wheel.

yeah I don't get all the hand wringing over electric racks, imo it's either you find a hydraulic rack car or you don't worry about steering feel cause all electric ones are varying degrees of numb by comparison

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by chrisg123

To each his own. But the big issue is g series has way more numb steering I think.

In reading your posts on this thread, It seems you have made a decision (just haven’t admitted it yet) that the G series is not for you.

[LAGWAGN]

My .02: I’ve owned both F87s and currently own an S54 low mileage E36/7 and a G87. Others that comment the G-series steering is numb, but precise are spot on. I do think it’s an improvement to the F-series steering though.

However ,the G87 is ANYTHING but boring. It lacks the rawness of older, more analog cars but is still thrilling in a different way. I love its dual personality.

[ourlee]

I found the m2 very luxurious, which turned me off. I’m buying a 718 with a (gasp) 4 cylinder

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by ourlee

I found the m2 very luxurious, which turned me off. I’m buying a 718 with a (gasp) 4 cylinder

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by ourlee

I found the m2 very luxurious, which turned me off. I’m buying a 718 with a (gasp) 4 cylinder

New or used/CPO?

[two_three_two]

its numb but direct. find a member in so FL (theres plenty) and ask them to take you for a ride. lots of feedback through other parts of the car. if you dont like it, dont buy one.

my personal opinion is that its typically a tradeoff between steering feel and luxury feel (no vibrations or unwanted chatter through the wheel)

[matty_f]

Originally Posted by Montaver

Steering ‘feel’ has a few dimensions. If you want road texture you need to remove rubber from the suspension, the downside is NVH. The other killer of steering feel in this car is the wheel is overly thick and padded. Change to a thinner less padded wheel and change some of the bushings and you will have tons of road feel.

Some really good points here. BMW steering wheels definitely insulate. You can still feel the “road texture” but it takes a bit of looking for it. You definitely won’t get the road pushing back through and the steering wheel dancing in your hands.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

yeah I don't get all the hand wringing over electric racks, imo it's either you find a hydraulic rack car or you don't worry about steering feel cause all electric ones are varying degrees of numb by comparison

My 992 vs G80 or X3MC is night and day different in steering feel. I do wonder why BMW can’t replicate it since hydraulic steering hasn’t been around for a while

[chrisg123]

Originally Posted by LAGWAGN

My .02: I’ve owned both F87s and currently own an S54 low mileage E36/7 and a G87. Others that comment the G-series steering is numb, but precise are spot on. I do think it’s an improvement to the F-series steering though.

However ,the G87 is ANYTHING but boring. It lacks the rawness of older, more analog cars but is still thrilling in a different way. I love its dual personality.

Thx for the feedback.

[40 Cylinders]

Don't have a comparison of F vs G driving experience but have owned cars that had really nice steering response... wanted a M2 because of the manual... was a little put off when the weight was first reported.. Once I got the M2 I really thought the steering was pretty decent and the weight was a little over-blown.. But I did change to Apex forged rims which changed un-sprung weight and then installed the Millway thrust arm bushings..The bushings made a noticeable diff in response.. even today on a ride, there was a small object in the roadway that I saw at the last sec.. twitched the wheel and the M2 just shot to the right.. even surprised me and put a smile on me at the same time.... I don't track anymore so maybe what is good for me, not so much for someone else.. I really like the M2..I also have an AReeve tune that is strong.. I would say if I was going to track the car on occasion, then the 8-speed auto would be better fit for lap times... Ok, didn't mean to get off the subject...

[chrisg123]

Originally Posted by 40 Cylinders

Don't have a comparison of F vs G driving experience but have owned cars that had really nice steering response... wanted a M2 because of the manual... was a little put off when the weight was first reported.. Once I got the M2 I really thought the steering was pretty decent and the weight was a little over-blown.. But I did change to Apex forged rims which changed un-sprung weight and then installed the Millway thrust arm bushings..The bushings made a noticeable diff in response.. even today on a ride, there was a small object in the roadway that I saw at the last sec.. twitched the wheel and the M2 just shot to the right.. even surprised me and put a smile on me at the same time.... I don't track anymore so maybe what is good for me, not so much for someone else.. I really like the M2..I also have an AReeve tune that is strong.. I would say if I was going to track the car on occasion, then the 8-speed auto would be better fit for lap times... Ok, didn't mean to get off the subject...

Thx for this response. Did the bushings make the ride to harsh? I read they slightly improve the steering. But if I got the car I’d probably do the same. I just don’t see anything else in this price range with the tunability of the s58. I’ll try and test drive one before I confirm my order in a month.

[40 Cylinders]

The Millway thrust bearings did not induce any harshness thru the steering wheel or the chassis... just sharper turn-in response..oh, and I also have the M-Performance HAS suspension...

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by ourlee

I found the m2 very luxurious, which turned me off. I’m buying a 718 with a (gasp) 4 cylinder

Probably due to the rich Corinthian leather remaining from unsold Cordobas.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Originally Posted by Tag

In all honesty the last generation of BMWs that had good steering feel was the E9x which still had hydraulic steering. To me all new BMWs I've driven, M or not with EPS are numb.

I fully agree with this. Once the electric steering rack was introduced it took many iterations of it by BMW to begin fine tuning something that felt even remotely correct / precise. Some of the CS & CSL components have vastly improved the steering feedback. Just check out what EVOLVE did with some of their GXX cars. The newest electric racks do have some overall potential. It simply takes some tweaking to get them there.

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by chrisg123

I watch one review and they love the g87 m2. Another review they say it’s boring and has numb steering feel. I had a supercharged e92 manual m3 and last car was a f82 m4 stage 2. I felt my f82 had better steering feel than the new g80 g82 and g87 m2. What gives? I have only test drove the auto g87 m2 , manual g82, and auto g80. I want to buy a new car since I totaled my m4 but I have a feeling I’m going to have buyers remorse with a manual g87. Should I get a g87 or f82 and do upgraded turbos?

Maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle

It only takes a few mods to make the M2 more enjoyable than stock.

[ourlee]

Originally Posted by Ronin76

New or used/CPO?

Poverty spec S new ($88.5)

https://configurator.porsche.com/en-...ronment=studio