[kudos]

"I only buy from American companies" (that import from China and markup)

[jessejericho]

Originally Posted by Carefree

Your “highly likely” and “much more likely” comments are pure supposition. Nothing more.

Originally Posted by Carefree

Perhaps but unlikely.

I caught you suppositioning!

Originally Posted by Carefree

We don’t agree, leave it there.

Who is this "we" you are referring to? Sounds like sopposerstition to me.

Originally Posted by Carefree

Did you read my post about the billions of people and millions of businesses? Apparently not. What are the chances more than one carbon fiber manufacturer exists?

I'm pretty sure (though I suppose I'm just suppositorying) that you're the only one in this thread talking about a single source for all carbon fiber in the world. There are apparently around 40 or so automotive carbon fiber manufacturers in China. In a country of 1.4 billion, that is still a very small number. How many of those are producing G87 M2 splitters? I would only be supper-singing, but my guess would be 5 at the most. Tell me, how many of the US based companies that you trust actually design and manufacture their own parts? Do you know?

Originally Posted by Carefree

You can’t be certain it’s the same product.

You can't be certain it's not. If that's the case, why choose one over the other, if one is much cheaper and looks identical? You've used a Rolex and a fake as an example - you understand this is not even close to the same thing, right? It's not even the same thing as a rep of a $200 pair of Jordans.

What is it about RW Carbon that made you order from them and trust them implicitly? I have an idea of why, but I find your answers (and personality in general) to be very amusing so please, go ahead! Let me guess:

"It's none of your business why or with whom I spend my money. I wish you good luck. I'm out."

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by jessejericho

You can't be certain it's not. If that's the case, why choose one over the other, if one is much cheaper and looks identical? You've used a Rolex and a fake as an example - you understand this is not even close to the same thing, right? It's not even the same thing as a rep of a $200 pair of Jordans.

What is it about RW Carbon that made you order from them and trust them implicitly? I have an idea of why, but I find your answers (and personality in general) to be very amusing so please, go ahead! Let me guess:

"It's none of your business why or with whom I spend my money. I wish you good luck. I'm out."

Don’t quit your day job at Wal Mart

You have no future in comedy.

[jessejericho]

Originally Posted by Carefree

Don’t quit your day job at Wal Mart

You have no future in comedy.

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by jessejericho

Thanks for proving my point.

Good luck to you.

[jessejericho]

Originally Posted by Carefree

Thanks for proving my point.

Oh no need to thank me! Proving your point is clearly not your strong suit, happy to help.

Good luck, I'm out, these shelves ain't gonna stock themselves!

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by jessejericho

Do you think this product is a re-labeled RW Carbon piece, a replica of the RW Carbon piece, or... RW Carbon buys from these guys and sells them as their own?

It looks identical down to the weave pattern. I suppose it could be a replica but it is much more likely that this is RW's source. Nothing wrong with that, but it is highly likely that at least half of the carbon fiber stuff we buy comes from a very small number of carbon fiber factories in China (much like forged wheels, electronic parts, etc).

Everything that doesn’t have a “Made in X western country” label is just basically China or any other SAE country

From my understanding there’s two different types of carbon bits, the FRP base with carbon overlay or the full dry carbon pieces. The latter is what euro vendors sell and it’s on par with the oem performance stuff. Prices aren’t really super cheap, you still going to spend 300-400$ for a single piece.

[MPR]

Cliffs notes: AliExpress CF is not bad, if you find a kit with solid reviews and/or other people have good experience with. Chinese made stuff is obviously not as good as OEM, but it's a fraction of the price. Other retailers likely source the parts from the same place as AliExpress/Alibaba, so you can save some money by cutting out the middle man -- again, if you find a reputable shop. I had an issue with one of my Chinese source CF mirror caps which I am in the process of fixing with epoxy.


I purchased the interior trim kit, including for the steering wheel and replacement paddle shifters, for my G42 from AliExpress. The interior trim is the kind that lays over the factory trim and is adhered with double sided tape. The weave and clear coat finish looks great after almost 2 years. I'd buy the same kit over again with no hesitation.

Not aliexpress/alibaba related but potentially sourced from the same place - I bought carbon fiber mirror caps from yaodechain.com for $375. Out of the box they looked perfect. It looks like maybe they carve out the structure from factory mirror caps to ensure perfect fitment. IIRC, the passenger side's skeleton has the same markings/branding as the OEM caps.

For installation I did not remove the mirror glass as I had fear of breaking them. Getting the factory caps off was very challenging and the hardest part of the install. I accidentally broke off one of the connecting teeth on one of them, and today discovered damage I may have done during the install.

For the past few months I've heard a slight plastic rattle coming from my drivers side cap when going over bumps or if I tapped the mirror or closed the door - it was very annoying. In addition to this, the drivers side cap was not very secure, I could relatively easily lift it off on the side closer to the car. I knew the only way to troubleshoot was to get the mirror glass off, so I kept postponing. I finally went for it today and got the mirror glass off without breaking it.

I found 3 issues.
1. The outside frame/skeleton, the outermost top corner, became disconnected from the CF and this is what is rattling. Top-left circled in red in the attached image.
2. One of the main supporting brackets came completely loose from the CF. This is one of the clips that is tough to remove from the factory caps without removing the mirror glass. This is circled in blue in the attached image, this piece should be butted up against the piece circled in red to the immediate left, you can see the outline of where it was/should be.
3. Adjacent to the bracket that fell off, the plastic piece is also not secure to the CF. Circled in red to the left of the blue.

[x622]

Originally Posted by jessejericho

Do you think this product is a re-labeled RW Carbon piece, a replica of the RW Carbon piece, or... RW Carbon buys from these guys and sells them as their own?

It looks identical down to the weave pattern. I suppose it could be a replica but it is much more likely that this is RW's source. Nothing wrong with that, but it is highly likely that at least half of the carbon fiber stuff we buy comes from a very small number of carbon fiber factories in China (much like forged wheels, electronic parts, etc).

Why are you asking here? You'll get stupid replies like the other one you got to your post. Ask them. And if they say they do, ask them to prove it. Or order a sample piece.

Come on guys. Nobody is gonna hold your hand.

Oh and I'll say this; My Chinese carbon I put on some of my cars fits a HELL of a lot better than the absolute dogshit I got from Anderson Composites here in the USA. Not only did I get it faster, but it fit better and has a better weave. My E92 track dumpster? All chinese carbon. Got it from JC Sportline, and I'd say quality is 6-8/10 depending on piece. Perfect for a track slut. The Siebon hood I got for my s2000? It's literally 97% sized. Too small and shrunken because they've reused the same mold for the past 20 years. Took them 2 months to get me the hood too, and the support is trash.

[jessejericho]

Originally Posted by x622

Why are you asking here? You'll get stupid replies like the other one you got to your post. Ask them. And if they say they do, ask them to prove it. Or order a sample piece.

Come on guys. Nobody is gonna hold your hand.

Oh I wasn't expecting an answer, I was just being an ass

[WhiteRqbbit]

I just got some mirror caps from Alibaba. The weave matches the interior. The fitment was a bit tight, but overall, it looks great. I can't justify some pretty parts with no performance impact; it ties the other carbon bits together nicely.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by jessejericho

Do you think this product is a re-labeled RW Carbon piece, a replica of the RW Carbon piece, or... RW Carbon buys from these guys and sells them as their own?

It looks identical down to the weave pattern. I suppose it could be a replica but it is much more likely that this is RW's source. Nothing wrong with that, but it is highly likely that at least half of the carbon fiber stuff we buy comes from a very small number of carbon fiber factories in China (much like forged wheels, electronic parts, etc).

I'm pretty sure RW Carbon buys from a chinese/korean knock off site, inspects it when it arrives in bulk, then throws it in a box and labels it as their own and hikes up the price by 8X-10X. Really good business model if you have the capital and a customer base willing to buy cheap products when quality ones are simply priced out of hand (looking at you M Performance and Alpha N). From what I see being posted about their "customer service," that's the real issue.

I guess to answer OP's question, are you willing to pay $800 for a $80 part knowing that you may get decent customer service if it doesn't work out (knowing you have a decent chance that it wont)?

[RW Carbon]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I'm pretty sure RW Carbon buys from a chinese/korean knock off site, inspects it when it arrives in bulks, then throws it in a box and labels it as their own and hikes up the price by 8X-10X. Really good business model if you have the capital and a customer base willing to buy cheap products when quality ones are simply priced out of hand (looking at you M Performance and Alpha N). From what I see being posted about their "customer service," that's the real issue.

I guess to answer OP's question, are you willing to pay $800 for a $80 part knowing that you may get decent customer service if it doesn't work out (knowing you have a decent chance that it wont)?

That is not accurate. We do not, nor have we ever bought parts to resell to customers from a knock off website like eBay or aliexpress. Although I wish we were able to mark up parts 8-10x, it is just not true. Good quality carbon fiber comes at a high price, so our markup is no where near that. We work with a small number of hand selected factories that produce our parts. There are a handful of parts that can be purchased from other reputable sources but most of our parts are either made specifically for us or are our private label and our own designs.

If you or anyone on here have questions about our parts, I urge you to contact us.

[Carefree]

Dinner menu tonight for the Carbon Fiber “experts”:

Entree
Filet of Baked Crow

Dessert
Crispy Humble Pie

Enjoy fellas. Don’t choke on it.
LOL

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by RW Carbon

That is not accurate. We do not, nor have we ever bought parts to resell to customers from a knock off website like eBay or aliexpress. Although I wish we were able to mark up parts 8-10x, it is just not true. Good quality carbon fiber comes at a high price, so our markup is no where near that. We work with a small number of hand selected factories that produce our parts. There are a handful of parts that can be purchased from other reputable sources but most of our parts are either made specifically for us or are our private label and our own designs.

If you or anyone on here have questions about our parts, I urge you to contact us.

But I’m guessing production is still in SEA right?

[RW Carbon]

Originally Posted by Dav3

But I’m guessing production is still in SEA right?

SEA??

[jessejericho]

Originally Posted by RW Carbon

That is not accurate. We do not, nor have we ever bought parts to resell to customers from a knock off website like eBay or aliexpress. Although I wish we were able to mark up parts 8-10x, it is just not true. Good quality carbon fiber comes at a high price, so our markup is no where near that. We work with a small number of hand selected factories that produce our parts. There are a handful of parts that can be purchased from other reputable sources but most of our parts are either made specifically for us or are our private label and our own designs.

If you or anyone on here have questions about our parts, I urge you to contact us.

I don't think anyone is assuming you buy from eBay or AliExpress - the idea is that some of the products you offer are also available on AliExpress, and often at a cheaper price because they are being shipped directly from the source (China). Nothing wrong with that of course, just some users on this forum get butthurt at the idea that their carbon parts may have come in contact with some off-brand / no-name ones.

[RW Carbon]

Originally Posted by jessejericho

I don't think anyone is assuming you buy from eBay or AliExpress - the idea is that some of the products you offer are also available on AliExpress, and often at a cheaper price because they are being shipped directly from the source (China). Nothing wrong with that of course, just some users on this forum get butthurt at the idea that their carbon parts may have come in contact with some off-brand / no-name ones.

Ahh gotcha! Yes, that is true. We do sell a lot of BMW replica products and similar styles can be found on those sites and for a lot cheaper. However, they are not made by the same factory. These parts come in an array of quality levels and from several different factories. So if you find the same style for half the price its not because they are taking a loss or want to make less profit. Its because it cost less to make. The factories we work with are just that, the ones making the parts. This allows us total control of the manufacturing method and gets us the best pricing that we can now pass on to the consumer.

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by RW Carbon

SEA??

South East Asia but basically China

To piggyback your other comment, hard doubt you outsource your stuff from a manufacturer that exclusively work for you, that’s not how Chinese businesses operate

You probably get your parts from high quality manufacturers, that also sell indipendently on the various platforms.

The value you add to the sale is the convenience of purchasing through readily available inventory and a valuable customer service in case of defects or issues.

You’re a business and you need to make a profit and that’s fine

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by Dav3

South East Asia but basically China

To piggyback your other comment, hard doubt you outsource your stuff from a manufacturer that exclusively work for you, that’s not how Chinese businesses operate

You probably get your parts from high quality manufacturers, that also sell indipendently on the various platforms.

The value you add to the sale is the convenience of purchasing through readily available inventory and a valuable customer service in case of defects or issues.

You’re a business and you need to make a profit and that’s fine

You’re basically calling the gentleman from RW Carbon a liar without knowing anything about their business.

Classy.

[ourlee]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

But have you purchased the same part from a non-higher price vendor or are you just speculating that it's worse. None of these vendors manufacture these parts, they're all re-sellers. It's no different than buying an official NFL jersey from Alibaba or buying it from NFL.com, except you pay 10x the price on NFL.com. But whatever makes you think like you got a superior product.

Fwiw - the BMW M Performance front splitter for my 3-series I purchased from BMW for almost $700 didn't fit properly. Yet the $120 Chinese front splitter fit perfectly - go figure.

I just bought three Barkley jerseys from Walmart for 40 ea. numbers are sewn on, quality is no where close to FANATICS stuff. But F it, me n sons are wearing them to the bars game day. No way I’m putting Walmart shit on my cars lol

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by ourlee

I just bought three Barkley jerseys from Walmart for 40 ea. numbers are sewn on, quality is no where close to FANATICS stuff. But F it, me n sons are wearing them to the bars game day. No way I’m putting Walmart shit on my cars lol

Have you seen Fanatics stuff?? It's absolute trash. I also didn't suggest to buy "walmart" stuff. Re: Barkley jerseys, just like all the cf parts being talked about, the official stuff is manufactured in China. The official stuff can also be purchased from China for a fraction of the significantly marked up US vendor prices.