[RPM33]

Originally Posted by fluffhead

I wouldn't mind if the car needed to be repainted, but I personally wouldn't let the dealer do it unless I knew exactly who was doing the work.You should be given the option to take it where you want and be reimbursed. Maybe the dealer uses the best shop in town, but I would think they use the cheapest.

This could also be an opportunity to get a European front bumper (no yellow reflectors). Plus, I would ask for something else to make it right as others have mentioned.

Hey you are Mega Man!

[BroDoze]

That sucks OP. M2 not an investment vehicle. It’ll depreciate like a mofo, manual or not.

[RockCrusher]

My 2 cents...

I have some investments. They earn money. None I keep in a garage and take out and drive...

My M2 gets driven. Since I sold my 2024 230ix it is my only car and my daily driver.

The accident is of course very unfortunate. But I think the dealer is handling this in a suitable fashion.

While the repair will be categorized at a factory repair and may not show up in the data bases that CarMax (et al) rely upon I'd still document the damage with pics and save all the paper work.

When (if) you go to sell/trade in the car disclose the accident and show the pics of damage to show the damage was to none of the vital systems rather the damage was limited to plastic and sheet metal (easily replaceable) and that factory parts were used to repair the car.

If you fail to disclose this chances are a used car buyer or a trade in appraiser will spot the repairs and then you are caught trying to misrepresent the car. Further more I believe almost every car I've traded in/sold to a dealer I've been asked to sign a document stating the car has had no accident damage/repairs.

(As an aside I did the above, that is took pics of some damage another car of mine experienced and then had the paper work which showed the replacement parts were all factory. Some nearly 18 months later I went to trade in the car -- to the local BMW dealer -- and before the appraiser even opened the door of the car I disclosed the accident, with pics, and copies of the repair paperwork. Handed copies of the pics and repair paper work to the appraiser. He just glanced at them. Then handed them back to me. I said they were for the file on the car. He didn't want them. The car was in fine condition. Traded in the car. Some few weeks later curious about the car I searched its VIN and found it listed for sale and saw the line "Clean CarFax!". Apparently the repair -- done at a reputable shop -- didn't make the data bases...Still I'm glad I disclosed the accident damage. Honesty is the best policy.)

Also, if you go to sell the car used car buyers are more concerned about price and condition. Good servicing. No mods. Good interior. All are pluses. A relatively minor accident with no vital systems repairs or structural damage repairs kind of fades in importance.

Avoid the temptation to try to opt for repairs that involve mods. Just focus on getting the car repaired as best as humanly possible back to its pre collision condition. Then after awhile if you want to mod the car -- your "investment" will take another hit -- do so.

[captain slowly]

for me, it would depend on the quality of the repairs and what you're willing to live with. Me personally, it would bother me to the point where the car would be traded in on a new one pretty much immediately.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

for me, it would depend on the quality of the repairs and what you're willing to live with. Me personally, it would bother me to the point where the car would be traded in on a new one pretty much immediately.

You'd take a big hit in depreciation. Although maybe not as much if the dealer responsible sweetened the trade in offer provided you traded the car in at the BMW dealer for another BMW vehicle.

And you still should focus on getting the car repaired to its pre collision condition so the car is at its best when you trade it in.

[captain slowly]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

You'd take a big hit in depreciation. Although maybe not as much if the dealer responsible sweetened the trade in offer provided you traded the car in at the BMW dealer for another BMW vehicle.

And you still should focus on getting the car repaired to its pre collision condition so the car is at its best when you trade it in.

You'd take the depreciation hit no matter what. Better to take it now when you can ask for and probably get better trade value due to the incident.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by new2M2

The hood is gouged and will need to be replaced and the front bumper will need to be replaced from damage. To rectify they are taking this action:
1. Ordering factory parts for hood and bumper
2. Custom matching the paint and replacing said parts
3. Leaving it as a factory repair so it doesn't alert title/carfax and thus will not have diminished value.

The damage and repair will show up in BMWs system even if it doesn't go through insurance. If you sell the car in the future and someone requests the full vehicle history, they will see it. I would make sure that when they paint the hood and bumper you get in writing that they will not do any paint blending into adjoining panels. A good body shop should be able to match the paint perfectly without blending, especially on a brand new car. I would personally ask they give you something like wheels, CF bits, etc. for all the trouble you are going through. If they say they can't do that I would then bring up the diminished value proposition.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by Tag

The damage and repair will show up in BMWs system even if it doesn't go through insurance. If you sell the car in the future and someone requests the full vehicle history, they will see it. I would make sure that when they paint the hood and bumper you get in writing that they will not do any paint blending into adjoining panels. A good body shop should be able to match the paint perfectly without blending, especially on a brand new car. I would personally ask they give you something like wheels, CF bits, etc. for all the trouble you are going through. If they say they can't do that I would then bring up the diminished value proposition.

1. Yep the repairs show up in BMW's system.

2. Agree on the no blending.

3. I don't think the repairs will diminish the value much, if at all. My 330e had $4k in damage from a discarded tire tread hit on the freeway. New headlight, foglight, lower grille & kidney grille. The only dealerships that low-balled me on trade-in value were BMW dealerships (go figure). I received market value at trade-in from a non-BMW dealer. No hassle, and no issues with repairs.

4. OP is not entitled to wheels, cf parts, etc. He's entitled to get his car repaired to pre-accident condition, and I'd say a loaner until the repairs are completed. That's it.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

1. Yep the repairs show up in BMW's system.

2. Agree on the no blending.

3. I don't think the repairs will diminish the value much, if at all. My 330e had $4k in damage from a discarded tire tread hit on the freeway. New headlight, foglight, lower grille & kidney grille. The only dealerships that low-balled me on trade-in value were BMW dealerships (go figure). I received market value at trade-in from a non-BMW dealer. No hassle, and no issues with repairs.

4. OP is not entitled to wheels, cf parts, etc. He's entitled to get his car repaired to pre-accident condition, and I'd say a loaner until the repairs are completed. That's it.

If he decides to sell at some point and they test all panels with a paint thickness meter they will see that the hood has been repainted. If they have one that can also test paint thickness on plastic, they will also see the front bumper repainted. That is what could diminish the value of the car. I never said he was 'entitled', what I meant was he should ask for something to compensate him for the damage they did. It could cost him on resale, and he's lost time driving his new car. A good dealership that wants to maintain customer relations would do something other than just fixing the car that they damaged. This of course is at their discretion, but you lose nothing by simply asking. If anything it will reveal if you want to continue to do business with them and/or bring your car in for them to service.

[ednir98]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

3. I don't think the repairs will diminish the value much, if at all.

Agreed, my 328 years ago had $4-5k of damage from being backed into and I got over KBB. My X5 got sideswiped last year, 11k of damage and was still offered KBB from a BMW dealer nearby.

Depending on the mileage/condition they send it to auction anyways to avoid liability so it only matters how it looks crossing the auction block.

[grl.racr]

I would ask the dealer to buy the car back so you can order a new one, even if it means spending a bit of money to do so.

It's one thing if you crash your own car which sucks but happens. In this case it was a careless tech in a shop.. nah, sorry I wouldn't want that car anymore. You will always know what happened and it will always bother you.

[MisanoblueZ4]

Surprised to see comments that the dealer just has to fix damage they caused and hide it from carfax….all is good.

Um hell no, in fact this maybe potentially a legal issue due to circumstances, the dealer should not just get away with a repair.

IMO this is grounds for top trade in value+ and discounted new sale to square things off.

The dealer is making out huge if they just have to fix the damage in house…..if your not satisfied with the repair then what?? “Well we got it as close as possible and won’t do any more for you”

The ball is in your court, they F’d up. Don’t even get me started on the shady hide the damage from carfax crap, isn’t that nice.

[JMcLellan]

This is the 2nd M2 (1st one was the car I got to test drive) ive heard of getting front end damage due to the driver thinking the car was in reverse but it was actually in 1st gear. I bet this happens a lot more too.

The M2 I test drove had the front bumper replaced and the dealer fully disclosed the incident. It didn't bother me as I couldn't tell up close the car had been repaired. It probably only mattered to the car's previous owner honestly.

I understand wanting to keep something expensive perfect though and it sucks someone else messed that up for you. But from a resale standpoint no one else is going to care as long as the repair is solid.

[Zatellia]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

This is the 2nd M2 (1st one was the car I got to test drive) ive heard of getting front end damage due to the driver thinking the car was in reverse but it was actually in 1st gear. I bet this happens a lot more too.

The M2 I test drove had the front bumper replaced and the dealer fully disclosed the incident. It didn't bother me as I couldn't tell up close the car had been repaired. It probably only mattered to the car's previous owner honestly.

I understand wanting to keep something expensive perfect though and it sucks someone else messed that up for you. But from a resale standpoint no one else is going to care as long as the repair is solid.

I disagree, i would very much care if i was buying the car. If i am buying a 'new' car then i would want it to be perfect or priced accordingly. If i was buying a 3+ year old car then i wouldnt care too much. But that being said i am sure that there are people out there that would not care especially if they received a decent discount because of it.

[JMcLellan]

Originally Posted by Zatellia

I disagree, i would very much care if i was buying the car. If i am buying a 'new' car then i would want it to be perfect or priced accordingly. If i was buying a 3+ year old car then i wouldnt care too much. But that being said i am sure that there are people out there that would not care especially if they received a decent discount because of it.

Fair point. Buyers should see it as a good opportunity to get a deal. This car was used and it was last November and the only available M2 in the area. Meanwhile my local dealer's waiting lists were super long so this was the only available option at that time to go and buy one.

[Zatellia]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

Fair point. Buyers should see it as a good opportunity to get a deal. This car was used and it was last November and the only available M2 in the area. Meanwhile my local dealer's waiting lists were super long so this was the only available option at that time to go and buy one.

That is a good point as well, why wait months when you can get into one today with some minor damage that was properly fixed

[MineralGreyMetallic]

I can understand your frustration, and I'm sorry this happened.

Here's how these situations generally work.

1 - Demand what you think is fair, within reason.
2 - If they won't meet your demands, consult a lawyer to see what the law says regarding your situation.

I hate to say it, but you're not going to find good legal counsel here. Most of us don't know the law of your state well enough.

There may be legal precedent to replace your car with a new one, but you're never going to know that until you consult a lawyer. Then you have to weigh the ROI of all that faff.

If it's any consolation, my F87 had most of the drive side repainted and blended, including the rear bumper. I made sure to go to a BMW certified body shop. They did a pretty damn good job, and when I traded it to a BMW dealer they didn't mention it. They also gave me KBB trade-in with very little negotiation.

Shit happens, unfortunately. Cars are the literal opposite of investments in most cases and they get damaged. Sometimes sooner rather than later.

[Montaver]

These threads are hillarious and the advice is genuinely terrible.. seek ‘legal counsel’ 😂😂

[robopp]

Originally Posted by Montaver

These threads are hillarious and the advice is genuinely terrible.. seek ‘legal counsel’ 😂😂

Seriously. The dealership made a mistake, owned up to it, and are offering to fix it for free. Diminished value is really the only additional recourse, and even that for something this minor isn’t going to amount to much.

[Zatellia]

Advise wise, the only thing I would recommend is, if you are not happy with the quality of the repair voice your concern with valid reasons why you are not happy with it (color difference, drips, orange peel, etc.) and request them to correct the concerns. Legally I do not know and cannot guess what you can do.

[MineralGreyMetallic]

Originally Posted by Montaver

These threads are hillarious and the advice is genuinely terrible.. seek ‘legal counsel’ ����

The only way you're going to know what your rights are is if you know the law.

[Montaver]

Originally Posted by MineralGreyMetallic

The only way you're going to know what your rights are is if you know the law.

‘Your rights’ 💀😂

Dealer fixes the car. OP moves on with their life. Welcome to the real world.