[vivcal]

Get the M2, and see if you can negotiate it down further. I bought a very similar spec and I'm extremely happy with it.

FWIW I turo-ed both the manual and auto versions, and ended up not liking the feel of the manual as much as I would have liked.

What matters in the end is how much you like this spec - Don't listen to a bunch of internet strangers telling you that the spec is/isn't good.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by vivcal

Get the M2, and see if you can negotiate it down further. I bought a very similar spec and I'm extremely happy with it.

FWIW I turo-ed both the manual and auto versions, and ended up not liking the feel of the manual as much as I would have liked.

What matters in the end is how much you like this spec - Don't listen to a bunch of internet strangers telling you that the spec is/isn't good.

Nobody has to drive it but you.
It's your money.

I don't particularly care what people think about my spec, because they aren't giving me money to buy a car. When they give money, they can have input.

[Driium]

Originally Posted by rowenofpts

If you look hard enough around here you can figure out how to get 6% off a brand new M2 and actually be able to select your own configuration.

AND not have to be subject to a shitty automatic transmission in a rear wheel drive sports car.

Pass.

The ZF8 in these cars are pretty good in fact I’d argue the Auto is well suited to the s58, good enough for me to order mine in Auto leaving behind my previous preference for a manual after 20+ years driving manual cars.

I’ve test driven both, and while the manual is fun and provides a more engaging driving experience, bmw leaves ALOT to be desired in terms of shifting feel in their manual cars IMO. There’s no reason why an 40K Manual Camaro ss, Mustang or Honda CTR ( All cars that I’ve previously owned or driven long term) should have a superior feeling shifting experience to a 70K Plus M Car, yet here we are.

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

Its a better car and will depreciate a lot less than the M240 (which will drop like a rock) so in the long term, the M2 will actually be cheaper to own and you'll get to own a M car.

The M2 is not a better car, it’s a different car. I currently own both of these models, do you?
Regarding resale value of M240i it will “drop like a rock”, that’s simply an unsubstantiated post.
We sold a 4 year old M240i in September 2023 at 72% of the original purchase price.
Do your homework.
Slowly…….

[two_three_two]

guy explicitly asks for people's thoughts on M240 vs M2; everyone gets their panties in a wad when people give thoughts on the comparison. cant win around here

[Geighty7]

Biased for the M2, but I’m not a fan of that spec OP. What’s the total $ amount of the 2025 M240i you’re eyeing compared to your top end spec on an M2?

IMO- I’ve seen lots of people become bored with the M240i. It is a fantastic machine, but aside from X drive (which M2 gets soon) the B58 is inferior in the top end, not to mention the M2 feels like a completely different beast on the road with spirited driving.

If this is a daily commuter to zip around in traffic, I can see why a 2024 M240i would be fitting. But if this is your “fun car” if you can, I’d reccomend the extra cash on an M2 if it makes sense in your life.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by rowenofpts

If you look hard enough around here you can figure out how to get 6% off a brand new M2 and actually be able to select your own configuration.

AND not have to be subject to a shitty automatic transmission in a rear wheel drive sports car.

Pass.

There are only a few that I know of that got 6% off of MSRP and none of them in Cali. I had a dealer offer me 5% off in S. Dakota but to drive the car back or get it transported negated the 5% off. I got $1200 off of MSRP locally plus $500 for being a Veteran...I was more than happy.

I got a manual, but to call the automatic tranny shitty is pretty rich.

[laughMan]

since both car at the same dealership, drive them back to back and see which one you like more!
both are great car, one is awd, one is rwd with more power.

this is a m2 forum, we are mostly biased toward the m2 here!
and know to yourself that you can negotiate more discount on the demo m2.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by T.R.S.

I've been in the market for a new 2025 M240i since August and was close to purchasing/ordering one at a dealer nearby, but then discovered a used 2024 M2 automatic that they have on their lot (see attached pdf).

They say it was a demo that one of the dealership owners drove for a short period of time before putting it back into their inventory to sell. MSRP $68,950 now listed at $64,577. Thoughts?

No M240i experience. One finally showed up at my local BMW dealer's lot. In Zandvoort Blue, too. But I had just traded in my ZB 2023 M2 and I didn't even walk over to look at the M240i.

If the car was a demo the car was *not* just driven by one of the dealership owners but by a number of M2 wanna be owners.

Honestly I'd be reluctant to buy the car. Yeah, it comes with a 4 year/50K mile warranty -- although the car could have been punched (reported to the factory as sold) which means the warranty clock has started and you will have less than 4 years of warranty.

For price my info is the minute a new car is driven off the lot it depreciates 10% off of what the dealer paid for the car. Not 10% off of sticker.

Then it loses another 10% when next years models arrive. So the demo M2 could have experienced some considerable depreciation. Obviously the dealer would not like to bear that.

If you believe the car's demo life is not a deal killer think you can start your negotiation at less than what the dealer is asking for the car.

How much less? A search of "2024 BMW M2 DEALER INVOICE COST" without the quotes turned up this:

J.D. Power: Lists the invoice price as $59,275, with a range of final prices paid by customers between $57,333 and $69,079.

Road & Track: Lists the invoice price as $60,450.

You need to give the car a pretty thorough used car check out. Yes. It was used as a demo so the car is used.

And part of your car check out has you asking to see what services the car has had. Even though the car has not covered 1200 miles it is probably over a year old and should have had an oil/filter service.

If the car passes your check out and the car has received a based on time oil/filter service and you are sure you are comfortable with the fact the car was a demo then make a $60,000 offer (or even less it is up to you of course and you can always increase your offer) and if it is rejected turn around and prepare to walk off the lot. I would be surprised if you made it off the lot before being called back and eventually end up buying the car.

Oh be sure you present your offer to the sales manager/general manager. The salesman will almost certainly say "no" to your offer but he's not the final word on the matter. The sales manager/general manager I bet would be while not happy to take your offer realize/accept it ain't that bad. And you would drive off in the car.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

No M240i experience. One finally showed up at my local BMW dealer's lot. In Zandvoort Blue, too. But I had just traded in my ZB 2023 M2 and I didn't even walk over to look at the M240i.

If the car was a demo the car was *not* just driven by one of the dealership owners but by a number of M2 wanna be owners.

Honestly I'd be reluctant to buy the car. Yeah, it comes with a 4 year/50K mile warranty — although the car could have been punched (reported to the factory as sold) which means the warranty clock has started and you will have less than 4 years of warranty.

For price my info is the minute a new car is driven off the lot it depreciates 10% off of what the dealer paid for the car. Not 10% off of sticker.

Then it loses another 10% when next years models arrive. So the demo M2 could have experienced some considerable depreciation. Obviously the dealer would not like to bear that.

If you believe the car's demo life is not a deal killer think you can start your negotiation at less than what the dealer is asking for the car.

How much less? A search of "2024 BMW M2 DEALER INVOICE COST" without the quotes turned up this:

J.D. Power: Lists the invoice price as $59,275, with a range of final prices paid by customers between $57,333 and $69,079.

Road & Track: Lists the invoice price as $60,450.

You need to give the car a pretty thorough used car check out. Yes. It was used as a demo so the car is used.

And part of your car check out has you asking to see what services the car has had. Even though the car has not covered 1200 miles it is probably over a year old and [...]

I agree with this scenario.

I'd like to add; when they say "no", if they do, ask them "are you here starting a car museum or to sell cars".

The leverage you have is taking your money somewhere else and getting a new car.

If it has 500 miles, what you definitely want to know is the "in service" date. It may not have been registered but as the previous poster said, the warranty clock starts when the "put the car in service". If they put it in service 6 months ago, your warranty is 2.5 years I think.

[rowenofpts]

Originally Posted by Driium

The ZF8 in these cars are pretty good in fact I’d argue the Auto is well suited to the s58, good enough for me to order mine in Auto leaving behind my previous preference for a manual after 20+ years driving manual cars.

I’ve test driven both, and while the manual is fun and provides a more engaging driving experience, bmw leaves ALOT to be desired in terms of shifting feel in their manual cars IMO. There’s no reason why an 40K Manual Camaro ss, Mustang or Honda CTR ( All cars that I’ve previously owned or driven long term) should have a superior feeling shifting experience to a 70K Plus M Car, yet here we are.

But that’s such a cheap an easy fix with a good SSK

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

I agree with this scenario.

I'd like to add; when they say "no", if they do, ask them "are you here starting a car museum or to sell cars".

The leverage you have is taking your money somewhere else and getting a new car.

If it has 500 miles, what you definitely want to know is the "in service" date. It may not have been registered but as the previous poster said, the warranty clock starts when the "put the car in service". If they put it in service 6 months ago, your warranty is 2.5 years I think.

If one starts out low enough he'll get a "no" for sure.

But a "no" from a salesman carries no weight in my opinion and my experience, too. One must be sure his offer is being relayed to the sales manager/general manager. Only the management staff can say "yes" to an offer.

Even if the no comes from the manager, I've used:

Why? I made you a fair offer.

Then I spell out the negatives: Last year's model, "demo", and if punched there's less warranty time.

Also, it helps to have a piece of paper in hand with a list of alternate cars. They don't all have to be M2s. They should be comparable -- to some level -- to the M2. I mean one shouldn't have the M2 at the top of his car list and the next car down a $30,000 Honda Civic SI...

But the flip side is none should be priced *higher* than the car one is looking at.

I make it a point to show the manager my list. He'll get the message. If he sees me walk off the lot without the M2 he'll know I won't be back because I'll buy a car at another dealer.

[curtdragon]

I'll add this. I drove a manual M2 and an auto M240. For all around daily single car I'd get the M240. Little joke but I had to Google how to put the M2 in reverse. I never had any issues with any other car but for some reason I couldn't get the trick. I just wasn't pushing hard enough to overcome the resistance built in. Last car was a Subaru with a lockout and before that a lot of five speeds and no issues.

Both have similar exterior looks, same interior. B58 is a very capable engine and paired with the xdrive it will walk all over the M2 around town. Top end isn't as bad as everyone says as you're beating the M2 from a dig and through 90% of the race.

If you're cutting the back roads or track a lot then the M2 will be the better choice. Add in the xdrive M2 and that decision swings more into the favor of the M2 for either scenerio.

Honestly based on how you like the spec I don't think you'll have a problem with either car.

[BRAKE!]

Get the M2. You’ll always wonder what the M2 would’ve been like as a M240 owner but never the other way around. You have room to negotiate as this car is a demo.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by BRAKE!

Get the M2. You’ll always wonder what the M2 would’ve been like as a M240 owner but never the other way around. You have room to negotiate as this car is a demo.

I've never regretted getting an M car, but have regretted getting an M lite before

Then you spend enough money on upgrades so you should have bought the M to begin with.

[VegasG42]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

I'd take the M2 over the M240. Its a better car and will depreciate a lot less than the M240 (which will drop like a rock) so in the long term, the M2 will actually be cheaper to own and you'll get to own a M car.

Do you know how many people are waiting to get into a used m240i xDrive ?

"Drop like a rock"

used 2022 with 45,000 miles still selling for like $45k

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Originally Posted by Carefree

The M2 is not a better car, it’s a different car.

LMAO.

[Carefree]

This “better” discussion is really wasted energy. Some limp wristed ignorant nimrod from California jumped into my sh** here very early Saturday morning about the M2 unequivocally as the better car. ^^ Thankfully the moderators pulled the submission but it was consistent with his posting history i.e. lacking intelligence, emotional stability, and reasoning.

Better is what the owner/driver prioritizes. It’s not complicated.
0-60? Track ability? Comfort around town? Gas mileage? Handling? Road conditions? Weather? Matrimonial harmony? Mod friendly? And on and on and on. I own both cars and on any given day, the better car depends on what we’re doing and where we’re going.

Someday, early morning posters blurred by excessive substances and an abnormal frontal lobe may “Clean” up.

[captain slowly]

Originally Posted by Carefree

The M2 is not a better car, it’s a different car. I currently own both of these models, do you?
Regarding resale value of M240i it will “drop like a rock”, that’s simply an unsubstantiated post.
We sold a 4 year old M240i in September 2023 at 72% of the original purchase price.
Do your homework.
Slowly…….

Here is my homework. I'm using 3 year old cars just because the first year depreciation is unpredictable and doesn't give a clear picture. The '21 M2 was a mid to high 50k car. The one I bought brand new was 57500. Today, MMR is $48300

A '21 240 x drive new was a 50k car. Here is what its worth today

I'll let you do the math on which one lost more. I'm glad you found a moron to pay you 72% of the purchase price of your old car, but that's not the norm.

[BimmerBenzorBentley]

The 230i is better than both of them lolol. I get better gas mileage and can still get to over 100+ mph easy. Also the 230i is the best looking of the bunch. My Thundernight Metallic for $650 looks better than whatever purp is offered on the M2 for like 5000+ lolllll.

[VegasG42]

Originally Posted by captain slowly

Sorry you couldn't swing a M2

Sorry you couldn't swing a M4 or M3

You had to buy the cheapest M car possible

[VegasG42]

Originally Posted by BimmerBenzorBentley

The 230i is better than both of them lolol. I get better gas mileage and can still get to over 100+ mph easy. Also the 230i is the best looking of the bunch. My Thundernight Metallic for $650 looks better than whatever purp is offered on the M2 for like 5000+ lolllll.

Oh boy, here we go ....