[Project1]

Here's how I see it, any of the MB cars with insanely good engines...are WAY too expensive...
C63 AMG is pretty bad ass imho, but not on price point with M3, so in my mind, NOT a competitior...just saying.

[ghosthi32]

Originally Posted by Levi

The new C AMG is going to get something much more dangerous than the V8 Biturbo. It is going to get a V6, but not a V6 Biturbo, not a V6 Kompressor, but a V6 Comprex. It will be a V6 with a Pressure Wave Supercharger, shortly called Comprex. It has the advantages of both turbo and supercharger. This new engine is going to be very light, very powerful, very torquy, very efficient and very responsive.

how do you know this?

[ghosthi32]

Originally Posted by Project1

Here's how I see it, any of the MB cars with insanely good engines...are WAY too expensive...
C63 AMG is pretty bad ass imho, but not on price point with M3, so in my mind, NOT a competitior...just saying.

i lol'd

[b0bab0i]

Originally Posted by Project1

Here's how I see it, any of the MB cars with insanely good engines...are WAY too expensive...
C63 AMG is pretty bad ass imho, but not on price point with M3, so in my mind, NOT a competitior...just saying.

MSRP for M3 Coupe is higher than MSRP for C63

[Project1]

Originally Posted by benmoooon

MSRP for M3 Coupe is higher than MSRP for C63

I just built a c63 AMG how I would like it, and it came to $72,850...
I mean come on, a LSD is a $2000 option on the Merc.
Built an M3 to compare, came to $61,125

Maybe it's just my poor ass but $10K is kind of a big deal to me

[ghosthi32]

Originally Posted by Project1

I just built a c63 AMG how I would like it, and it came to $72,850...
I mean come on, a LSD is a $2000 option on the Merc.
Built an M3 to compare, came to $61,125

Maybe it's just my poor ass but $10K is kind of a big deal to me

i just built an m3 and it came out to be 72k. and your point is?

[Project1]

Originally Posted by ghosthi32

i just built an m3 and it came out to be 72k. and your point is?

I guess for the options I wanted the M3 was cheaper, and better. Or let's say, value for money. No point, bored at work...

[NewYearsBoy]

The M3 is more of a drivers car and the C63 is just pound ur foot to the floor... Watch Top Gear and Fifth Gear this will settle everything...

Have fun....

[Project1]

Originally Posted by Stoutnj89

The M3 is more of a drivers car and the C63 is just pound ur foot to the floor... Watch Top Gear and Fifth Gear this will settle everything...

Have fun....

Have seen that, and I agree 100% For the money, the M3 is much more value!

[ghosthi32]

drivers car right...like we are all going to be on the track 24/7

[Raine]

M3 will hold its value better and it also has a bigger community (because everyone and their aunt drives an M3)

It's like trying to find a Civic killer.

[BenTrovato]

Interesting debate, but having driven all of them, I would choose the c63 over the M3 sedan... when it comes to the M3 coupe, its a totally different drive, I wouldn't compare them, even though I would take the coupe over the other 2. Just preference.

[1BMW4fun]

Originally Posted by Memphis1

MB has been claiming M3 killers a far as I can remember and none have held up to the title.

Having own both BMW an a Merc, I have never seen an official ad from Merc/AMG claiming that their products are going to be an "M3 killer" or M killer. Infact, when the C63 came out they said they wouldn't want another M3 like in the market. Although things I have seen recently is Audi's ads stating how their cars are better than BMW and more exciting than Merc.

[Ti335]

Originally Posted by hl0m4n

i know its a twin turbo but you sure about the v6? i thought it was an i6?

I think it's more likely that the next M3 will have a TT V8...a milder version of the one found in the X5M/X6M/F10 M5 making somewhere around 450-500 hp.

[jopa489]

Originally Posted by Memphis1

MB has been claiming M3 killers a far as I can remember and none have held up to the title.

This.

[Raine]

Also, not really digging the C Coupe, the Sedan looks better (and more practical). Pricier too.

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by Stoutnj89

Watch Top Gear and Fifth Gear this will settle everything...

Ah yes, Top Gear. And 5th Gear. My encyclopedic source for all things automotive.

Well, I suppose it does settle it for those who have difficulty thinking on their own and prefer entertainment over much else. That I will concede.

Originally Posted by 1BMW4fun

Having own both BMW an a Merc, I have never seen an official ad from Merc/AMG claiming that their products are going to be an "M3 killer" or M killer. Infact, when the C63 came out they said they wouldn't want another M3 like in the market. Although things I have seen recently is Audi's ads stating how their cars are better than BMW and more exciting than Merc.

This puzzles me, too. I'd like to see a public statement or press release or advertisement that substantiates this. I've only heard it on the M3 playground during recess. I've looked and have come up empty. If anybody can find something officially documented, please post it.

[b0bab0i]

Originally Posted by Ti335

I think it's more likely that the next M3 will have a TT V8...a milder version of the one found in the X5M/X6M/F10 M5 making somewhere around 450-500 hp.

Nope, M3 will cannabalize M5 sales.

[Ti335]

Originally Posted by benmoooon

Nope, M3 will cannabalize M5 sales.

No, it won't. M5 will still have 100 more hp...not to mention, it's targeting a totally different demographic.

[b0bab0i]

Originally Posted by Ti335

No, it won't. M5 will still have 100 more hp...not to mention, it's targeting a totally different demographic.

Next gen M3 will be 6 cylinder Turbo.
http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...er-drops-sedan

Interview with Willisch(BMW M's former CEO, now head of BMW Sales in Europe) confirming a 6 cylinder, either V6 or Inline-6 turbo.
http://www.bimmerfile.com/2009/03/19...bo-charged-v6/

So no TT V8 for M3.

[Ti335]

Originally Posted by benmoooon

Interview with Willisch(BMW M's former CEO, now head of BMW Sales in Europe) confirming a 6 cylinder, either V6 or Inline-6 turbo.
http://www.bimmerfile.com/2009/03/19...bo-charged-v6/

So no TT V8 for M3.

In that article, the guy also claims that there will be no M version of the current 1 Series. Head of sales or not, he obviously has no clue what he's talking about.

There is no way the M3 is going to get a V6 engine, unless BMW switches from i6 to V6 across the model range, which is highly unlikely. Also, there is no point in developing a new turbocharged 6 when you can simply take an existing V8 and tune it for less boost (which would not only reduce developing costs but also result in less turbo lag and increased long-term durability).

Besides, engine standardization has been the recent trend with M cars. Since all other M-cars, with the exception of the upcoming N54-powered M coupe (which is really a 135is rather than a real M car), already come - or soon will come - with a 4.4 V8, it's very likely that the M3 will be powered by a version of that engine as well (albeit a slightly detuned one).

Last but not least, BMW has to keep up with the competition. AMG is switching to turbocharged V8, so that's what you'll see in the next C63. The next RS4/RS5 is likely to have a turbocharged or supercharged V8 as well.

[lyndon_h]

I don't care what MB does. The car in discussion will be another AMG with 500lbs and very strong hp, but it will more than likely not have soul. It'll basically be a German luxury American muscle car.