[lace nikks]

Originally Posted by rodi

love my job. my own business. it's young yet, but heading where I want it to.

Hate my fucking job! $9 an hour janitor. Hate it, Hate it and im 30, so my life is finished! Stay in school everyone!

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preach Feyd...

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Originally Posted by Nikkahtropolis

No offense but that's kind of stupid (to the people criticizing a standard work week). A five day work week provides people with stability and makes contributing to society a regular process, instead of something random and unpredictable. If you don't like that and you don't have the aspiration to get that money it's not like you're forced into that cycle. I see nothing wrong with it. It also makes weekends more enjoyable.

And on-topic: I enjoy my job as long as I'm not dealing with dipshits.

I agree with this, but there are things to be enjoyed in the workplace that do not involve such extravagant and non-commonplace activities. You're right, molding yourself into the 9-5 scene puts you right up there with the rest of society living paycheck to paycheck. Some folks just want more than that. Especially if they feel that they are capable of more.

[Feyd]

Originally Posted by Nikkahtropolis

And on-topic: I enjoy my job as long as I'm not dealing with dipshits.

Don't ever work for ANY type of agency. Ho-ly fuck.... talk about dipshits.

[grieverr]

Originally Posted by Feyd

I told myself that I'd try to do it one more time for another company and see if what was killing me was just the old management I was working under, or just the industry... we'll see how things get off the ground when I start next week. *shrug*

That's where I'm at now! I'm wondering if it's not actually the work, but the people/place I do it for.

Originally Posted by Feyd

Sad thing is that the harder you work, the more people take advantage of you and your abilities/work ethic/talent (whatever you want to call it)

I completely understand. The better you are, the more other people around are allowed to suck (because they'll just get you to do it), yet you don't get a better reward. This is very demotivating and makes me want to slack off.

Originally Posted by Feyd

My (unfortunate) reality is that I'm not worth as much in any other industry as I am to this one.

I think that's where a lot of people, myself included, get stuck. Once you've been somewhere for a while, you become less relevant to another industry. You no longer get looked at as a capable individual, you're just that guy that does X, and somehow incapable of being hired into a completely different field.
I'm thinking of maybe going to some trade school so that i can at least have that in my resume (once I identify what kind of industry I'd like to get in to)

Originally Posted by Feyd

I work in the retail fixturing industry. Think store interiors/displays, etc.

That sounds like it could be cool. What are the negatives?

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

What Job?

[grieverr]

Originally Posted by Nikkahtropolis

No offense but that's kind of stupid (to the people criticizing a standard work week). A five day work week provides people with stability and makes contributing to society a regular process, instead of something random and unpredictable.

I believe people can contribute regularly to society out of the 9-5 scope. Granted, it doesn't fall in line with the "norm", but that doesn't make it a bad thing. And to some people, the freedom is inviting.

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by lace nikks

Hate my fucking job! $9 an hour janitor. Hate it, Hate it and im 30, so my life is finished! Stay in school everyone!

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Originally Posted by grieverr

I believe people can contribute regularly to society out of the 9-5 scope. Granted, it doesn't fall in line with the "norm", but that doesn't make it a bad thing. And to all people, the freedom is inviting.

Ftfy.

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

We already know that isn't you, Mr. GT3.

[nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

Today's work day was rough. I still haven't gotten out of bed...

[Feyd]

Originally Posted by grieverr

That sounds like it could be cool. What are the negatives?

Oh man... where to start.


Well it's an agency, so it's essentially a "service" driven business model. Meaning if you don't provide the service, someone else (a competitor) will.

Bat-shit crazy clients (fuck.. retards).

A sales staff that is comprised complete spineless pussies. All they do is say yes and then make it someone else's problem even after you warned against potential pitfalls. If you complain they go and bitch to the ownership who then will blindly turn to you and make idle threats that "anyone is replaceable" after you literally just put in multiple 100hr+ work weeks (on salary mind you).


After you've warned of potential issues and are still forced to go about doing something the wrong way (based on a clueless managerial decision) and everything falls apart (just like you said it would) there is no recognition for seeing the problem weeks ago. What's worse is when you are in the same situation again, and advise to act accordingly saying "remember when we tried this last time..." the idiotic management still pushes to do it the "wrong" way again.


The "What have you done for me lately." attitude you get when someone rolls up in their new $125k Porsche (just one of 8 cars they own) and proceeds to tell you that things need to get done "faster" when in fact the reason they can't is because the company didn't have enough money to keep the staff you needed employed because of *cough* undeserved bonuses *cough*.

Ownership that only devotes 55-60% of their attention to committing 150% of the company's available resources to meet deadlines.



Personal negatives:

30 going on 50.

Your mother telling you that you are "turning into an old man".

Your wife telling you that you just don't act the same as you used to.

Your health (physical and mental), general attitude, tolerance for bullshit, etc... Essentially any severe shift you have with anything life related at the age of 50+ happening when you are young.




I honestly feel like I want to retire... but I am so_far from that reality the paradox that forms in my head while thinking about how far I still need to go vs. the amount of work I've already put in makes me feel utterly hopeless that I'll survive long enough to enjoy anything remotely resembling retirement.



You desperately want to win the lottery, but not so that you can be rich, just so you can make an epic phone call to everyone that you've personally carried on your back for the better part of a decade and tell them FUCK_OFF_AND_DIE_YOU_WORTHLESS_PIECE_OF_SHIT.

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[BTM]

Work overrated...become regulated by it...not buying it. Whether or not you consider something to be work aside, society is stagnate without it. Whether or not you work is a function of how much you value your leisure time vs. how much someone is willing to pay you to do something else (aka income). It's up to your own individual preferences how you value your time vs. income. This is clearly a rudimentary analysis, as there are many variables involved, but in the end all can theoretically be quantified in terms of income or leisure (IE taking a more enjoyable job, more relevant to your interests, at a lower pay would be a function of reducing income and increasing leisure, though technically all that time is spent working). And because I love graphs so much:



In the end, work is a means to an end, whether that be a hobby, travelling, or more work. Love your job? Great. Hate it? Hope you find one that suits your preferences better...but the fact that you are working it shows you value the income you make at it at the expense of the leisure you are giving up.

[grieverr]

Thanks for the fix Bav!

Damn, Feyd, I sympathize .... odd thing is, I feel I can say the same exact things. You're told to do something that you know won't work. "They" ignore your warnings and then accept no responsibility, and when something breaks, "they" demand a written explanation that doesn't read: I told you not to do it, ass.

[Chrisrw]

Ok, I'm sorry but work is not fun. It is not made for you to feel fulfilled, useful, or good about yourself. It is work. That is why you get paid.

As a non-American reading this all I can think is "no wonder their economy is in the tank". Lose the sense of entitlement, realize that you need to work hard just to earn your daily meals (not a 60k car) and take your weekends as a blessing.

5 day work weeks are needed and you are probably already not worth what you are getting paid ( benefits).

And last but not leased:
Some young Chinese graduating student would gladly take your job for less pay... Oh wait... He is taking it.

[PsychoSlug]

I dislike my job. Even worse, I dislike the company due to changes that were made in the last year. So, I am desperately trying to find something else. The good news - the job market is picking up. The bad news - employers are very particular and competition is fierce.

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9-5's suck period. There is no way someone is gonna tell me they are not regulated by how much money they make. Your lifestyle is based around your income regardless of what it is, whether you realize it subconsciously or otherwise.

[TunedM2C]

I'm transitioning......

I once loved my job until the banks tightened up their lending standards making it virtually a PITA to process/close every single residential & commercial loan application.

I'm heading a completely different direction now and helping start up a company that will be distributing/selling/installing smart glass & smart film for both "Green" applications and marketing media applications nationwide. I'm pretty excited about it.

[Freakazoid]

Originally Posted by Feyd

Sad thing is that the harder you work, the more people take advantage of you and your abilities/work ethic/talent (whatever you want to call it) and the only way to break free is to either do a career 180, or start to work for yourself. Wish the economy was a tiny bit better. If it was I'd be doing the latter....

My (unfortunate) reality is that I'm not worth as much in any other industry as I am to this one. My knowledge and understanding far exceeds my age. I also have no real issues working 14hr days as long as there is some kind of reward there for doing so... but I refuse to line someone else's pockets while at the same time literally killing myself in the process. I am over that shit (which is why I quit my old job). Again, not because I hated it... just on principal.

100000% yes. I used to work 2 different jobs a few years back, then when I was working 90 hours a week, I was getting 2 salaries. Now I'm working 90 hours a week and getting paid 1 salary. I can fully feel your pain.

[markham335i]

well right now i wake up at 430 in the morning and dont get home till about 4-430... working as an electrician(low rise residential) for about 1.5years now. Its extremely labor intensive and when i sat back and looked at my life i said F this and am now going back to school in September lol.. no point in doing something u hate for the rest of ur life u only live once

[BTM]

Originally Posted by Bavarian III

9-5's suck period. There is no way someone is gonna tell me they are not regulated by how much money they make. Your lifestyle is based around your income regardless of what it is, whether you realize it subconsciously or otherwise.

Not sure what sort of revelation you're having here Marc...you spend within your means...most often your means are determined by your income which is determined by your job...your income is "regulated" by your job I suppose though that isn't the word I'd choose, but your satisfaction, enjoyment, demeanor, and life is only controlled by your job if you let it, or want it to. Want more leisure time? Work less. This however means you earn less, in the short run at least.

I know plenty of people who love their 9-5s. Is it always great? No. Are there bad days? Yes. Are they "prisoners" for lack of a better term? Not at all...

[mileydog]

Well lets see...
with the unemployment rate at 12%, just getting a job should be enjoyable.