[Seminole]

The NCAA tried the same shit with Florida State's teams being called the "Seminoles" as well as all the other Native American themed College teams. FSU and the Seminole Tribe told them to f-off and they dropped the petition.

[Whostheboss]

I remember Costas in a similar account.
Last year when Jovan Belcher killed his girlfriend and himself, Costas was on TV saying that guns should be banned.

[M_Six]

Originally Posted by Seminole

The NCAA tried the same shit with Florida State's teams being called the "Seminoles" as well as all the other Native American themed College teams. FSU and the Seminole Tribe told them to f-off and they dropped the petition.

The NCAA made the Univ. of Illinois Fighting Illini drop their mascot (The Chief) because they deemed it offensive, but the team gets to keep the name. I'm still not sure why The Chief was found to be offensive and the 'Noles mascot was not.

The theory is that the use of such mascots breeds insensitivity towards the culture depicted, but I've never thought that was true. I don't even mentally associate a name with an image like that. To me, the Redskins are a football team. That's what comes to mind when I hear the name. The Bruins are a hockey team, not a bunch of bears. The Celtics are a basketball team, not a bunch of Irish folks. The Orlando Magic are a bunch of assholes, not a basketball team. (Oh wait, forget that last one. Personal bias showing through. Shame on me.)

[Whostheboss]

Originally Posted by M_Six

The NCAA made the Univ. of Illinois Fighting Illini drop their mascot (The Chief) because they deemed it offensive, but the team gets to keep the name. I'm still not sure why The Chief was found to be offensive and the 'Noles mascot was not.

The theory is that the use of such mascots breeds insensitivity towards the culture depicted, but I've never thought that was true. I don't even mentally associate a name with an image like that. To me, the Redskins are a football team. That's what comes to mind when I hear the name. The Bruins are a hockey team, not a bunch of bears. The Celtics are a basketball team, not a bunch of Irish folks. The Orlando Magic are a bunch of assholes, not a basketball team. (Oh wait, forget that last one. Personal bias showing through. Shame on me.)

[Seminole]

Originally Posted by M_Six

The NCAA made the Univ. of Illinois Fighting Illini drop their mascot (The Chief) because they deemed it offensive, but the team gets to keep the name. I'm still not sure why The Chief was found to be offensive and the 'Noles mascot was not.

The theory is that the use of such mascots breeds insensitivity towards the culture depicted, but I've never thought that was true. I don't even mentally associate a name with an image like that. To me, the Redskins are a football team. That's what comes to mind when I hear the name. The Bruins are a hockey team, not a bunch of bears. The Celtics are a basketball team, not a bunch of Irish folks. The Orlando Magic are a bunch of assholes, not a basketball team. (Oh wait, forget that last one. Personal bias showing through. Shame on me.)

You guys made it off easy compared to North Dakota: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers...kota_athletics.

They had to completely change get rid of the Fighting Sioux name. I'm glad FSU took a stand and got to keep everything status quo. On a completely random note, the funny thing is that the Redskins are my favorite professional team because I was born in D.C.

I must just have a thing for Native American themed teams.

[M_Six]

Originally Posted by Seminole

You guys made it off easy compared to North Dakota: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers...kota_athletics.

They had to completely change get rid of the Fighting Sioux name. I'm glad FSU took a stand and got to keep everything status quo.

Just more of the two-faced NCAA bullshit. Some teams lose everything, some just lose their mascots, and some lose nothing.

Players can't make a dime but the NCAA can use them like chattel to line their own pockets.

[direwolfM3]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

this cunt needs to be fired and taken off the air.

his hyper PC nonsense makes me want to puke!

I really dont understand why some people get so angry, when it comes to simple respect and not using racial slurs. As if someone infringes on your right to be a complete douche, that some how is un-American. BTW, that whole freedom of speech thing goes both ways. Just like you feel its your right to use racial slurs, it is also Costas' right to give his opinion on it too. If you dont like it change the channel.

And apparently not all Native Americans are ok with the team name.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...-roger-goodell

[Sam335ix]

I am born Skins Fan, F anyone that thinks the name is racist. Yes, out of lets say 200000 native americans that are still alive 500 of them are offended... The rest are proud of the name. To compare the n word with Redskins is just plain fucking stupid... Then change Atlanta Braves etc... Get over this PC shit already, every fucking has been announcer or sports writer is cashing in by being self important. My team has sucked for so many years that we call them the Deadskins :-) oh and F Bob, Troy, Collinsworthless and Joe Dick.

[///McRae]

Originally Posted by quagmire

So it would be ok for me to name a team the Washington N word?

The term Redskin is a racial slur against native americans just like the n word is against blacks.

I don't have issues with teams like the Seminoles, Indians, Braves, etc. But, a racial slur has no business as a team name. If they want to change it to another Native American based name so they wouldn't have to change uniform /logo design, that's fine.

What a load of PC shite!

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by direwolfM3

I really dont understand why some people get so angry, when it comes to simple respect and not using racial slurs. As if someone infringes on your right to be a complete douche, that some how is un-American. BTW, that whole freedom of speech thing goes both ways. Just like you feel its your right to use racial slurs, it is also Costas' right to give his opinion on it too. If you dont like it change the channel.

And apparently not all Native Americans are ok with the team name.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...-roger-goodell

Because before long there will be words that are illegal to use in America. That's where this type of thing goes. There are millions of people in america that only knew the Redskins as a football team and had never in their lives thought of the term Redskin to be derogatory in anyway until the recent past. But by your logic, it's perfectly ok for the Redskins owner to just tell all those who are offended to change the channel. Right?



This was interesting from the article you posted.

The Oneida Nation launched the “Change the Mascot” campaign a few months ago, drawing inspiration from a high school in its back yard that dropped the “Redskins” moniker. Since then, the New York tribe has emerged as one of the strongest forces behind the growing push to scrap the Washington team’s 80-year-old name, scheduling radio ads to run in every city the Redskins visit this season.

So who is spreading racism more, the washington redskins football team or those who are supposedly offended by the 80 year old team?

She said NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell showed leadership last month when he stepped back from his earlier defense of the team’s name and said, “If one person’s offended, we have to listen.”

This is the start.



Some other interesting data....

Notwithstanding the protests of activists, a 2002 poll commissioned by Sports Illustrated found that 75% of those American Indians surveyed had no objection to the Redskins name. The results of the poll have been criticized by American Indian activists due to Sports Illustrated's refusal to provide polling information (e.g. how participants were recruited and contacted, if they were concentrated in one region, if one ethnic group is over represented and the exact wording and order of questions). But in 2004, a poll by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania essentially confirmed the prior poll's findings, concluding that 91% of the American Indians surveyed in the 48 states on the mainland USA found the name acceptable and setting out in detail the exact wording of the questions.

The saddest part of all of this is that i believe there is a good chance the native american's legacy of this land will completely fade away when the last team changes their name from an indian reference. The native americans have been all but forgotten from current society. If i were native american, rather than demand this change i would rally around those teams portraying my heritage in some way, shape or form.

I think the crimes committed against the Native American tribes by the USA were horrible. Down right barbaric in some instances. But that was a long time ago and the owner of the redskins was not responsible for it. Nor will forcing them to change their name make any positive effect on the current Native American culture. You can't even trace back to when this term, originally thought to come about to describe the body paint certain north east tribes used regularly, somehow became derogatory. If you ask me, i believe that the term became derogatory some time in the 70s. Out of resentment a small group decided that term was degrading in some way. Some actually believe and recall that the name now Washington Redskins came about to honor their coach who was part Sioux Indian himself.

[direwolfM3]

Because before long there will be words that are illegal to use in America. That's where this type of thing goes. There are millions of people in america that only knew the Redskins as a football team and had never in their lives thought of the term Redskin to be derogatory in anyway until the recent past. But by your logic, it's perfectly ok for the Redskins owner to just tell all those who are offended to change the channel. Right?

My comments were more directed to some of the other posts on this thread that seemed so outraged at how Costas could even mention that the term Redskins could be derogatory. The facts are that some Native Americans do find it insulting and I believe, that unless you are a Native American, you do not have the right to decide what is a slur to the community.

Having said this, I do agree with you. The Redskins are a privately owned team and are under no obligation to change the team name. Unless, he has ever received tax dollars for stadium improvements, etc.

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by direwolfM3

My comments were more directed to some of the other posts on this thread that seemed so outraged at how Costas could even mention that the term Redskins could be derogatory. The facts are that some Native Americans do find it insulting and I believe, that unless you are a Native American, you do not have the right to decide what is a slur to the community.

Having said this, I do agree with you. The Redskins are a privately owned team and are under no obligation to change the team name. Unless, he has ever received tax dollars for stadium improvements, etc.

We didn't need to decide - 91% of Native Americans have already stated that they do not see it as a racial slur.

[DF]

Originally Posted by direwolfM3

My comments were more directed to some of the other posts on this thread that seemed so outraged at how Costas could even mention that the term Redskins could be derogatory. The facts are that some Native Americans do find it insulting and I believe, that unless you are a Native American, you do not have the right to decide what is a slur to the community.

Having said this, I do agree with you. The Redskins are a privately owned team and are under no obligation to change the team name. Unless, he has ever received tax dollars for stadium improvements, etc.

People are tired of costas pushing his personal political agenda during a football game. Thats all.

[KingOfJericho]

I would also add that Bob Costas has been covering sports for over three decades and NOW he has a problem with the name?

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by DF

People are tired of costas pushing his personal political agenda during a football game. Thats all.

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