[The J-Man]

The ambient lighting in this car is weak AF. A car like this should have over the top gaudy ambient lighting. Look at the 2022 C-Class.

[MarkDemma]

Originally Posted by zipstic

I’ve read every post in this thread. I know it’s 2021 and people like to complain about everything, but wow people are on fire!

Main complaints in this thread:

Triangles – get a new bumper or IND will likely have an aftermarket solution. (Or you can black out the triangles yourself.) Half of the people on here would do that no matter what the OEM bumper looked like. Let’s keep in mind that the font end of the F87 is a bit of a mess too.
Taillights – Yes, I’m not a huge fan of them either, but they aren’t that bad and you can always get an aftermarket solution. Blacking out the white parts of the taillights already makes a vast improvement in the look.
Weight – Yep, cars weigh more than they did in the previous generation. It’s a little heavier than most people would expect, but how often do people really notice this when driving? Only at the track?
No Manual– Welcome to economics 101.
No Coronas – As others have noted, this is a nod to the 2002.

Pros:

It’s an ICE
It is/will be available in RWD
The B58 motor is fantastic
The price is almost unchanged from the F22
Interior and Tech is good / good enough
LSD is standard
Hof Kink is present
Wide wheel arches

I’m curious what other car people would get if you want a small coupe.

Audi? They don’t make a car in this class. (A/S5 competes with the 4. TT is really small)
Mercedes? They don’t either. (C-Class coupe competes with the 4. )
Porsche? They’re a lot more $$.
Miata or BRZ? Sure, but you’ll have to compromise on the lower power to weight ratio.
Infinity Q60? Non Red Sport models you’ll have less power than the M240 and if you choose to go with a Red Sport you’re spending and extra ~$10k

My point is that the pros outweigh the cons. Every car is going to have things that people like and dislike about them. Would we rather have BMW have 6 LCI iterations of the e46? Sometimes change is good, even when people are resistant.

I have to admit, fair points. For me, the no manual is the only actual deal breaker for me. I know I'm part of the 0.01% that doesn't just SAY I'd like a manual, I actually buy a manual, and at least so far in my life ONLY a manual. I already figured that if the "M"340i didn't have it, the 2 wouldn't either.

So I'll just keep my F22 and wait for the full electric. I'm sure they'll sell lots of them in certain markets so the few of us dinosaurs don't matter.

[Artemis]

Nice Goodwood Festival of Speed shot by forum member Mani59:

Originally Posted by Mani59

[Big boi m5]

Originally Posted by samsamdar

Why does the M240i have M mirrors and my OG M2 doesn't? 😔

Your M2 has M mirrors by definition as it is an M car. This car is not an M car and has mirrors for fake m cars by definition!

Also, mandatory AWD? Hmm

[advantage20]

[Big boi m5]

Originally Posted by zipstic

I’ve read every post in this thread. I know it’s 2021 and people like to complain about everything, but wow people are on fire!

Main complaints in this thread:

Triangles – get a new bumper or IND will likely have an aftermarket solution. (Or you can black out the triangles yourself.) Half of the people on here would do that no matter what the OEM bumper looked like. Let’s keep in mind that the font end of the F87 is a bit of a mess too.
Taillights – Yes, I’m not a huge fan of them either, but they aren’t that bad and you can always get an aftermarket solution. Blacking out the white parts of the taillights already makes a vast improvement in the look.
Weight – Yep, cars weigh more than they did in the previous generation. It’s a little heavier than most people would expect, but how often do people really notice this when driving? Only at the track?
No Manual– Welcome to economics 101.
No Coronas – As others have noted, this is a nod to the 2002.

Pros:

It’s an ICE
It is/will be available in RWD
The B58 motor is fantastic
The price is almost unchanged from the F22
Interior and Tech is good / good enough
LSD is standard
Hof Kink is present
Wide wheel arches

I’m curious what other car people would get if you want a small coupe.

Audi? They don’t make a car in this class. (A/S5 competes with the 4. TT is really small)
Mercedes? They don’t either. (C-Class coupe competes with the 4. )
Porsche? They’re a lot more $$.
Miata or BRZ? Sure, but you’ll have to compromise on the lower power to weight ratio.
Infinity Q60? Non Red Sport models you’ll have less power than the M240 and if you choose to go with a Red Sport you’re spending and extra ~$10k

My point is that the pros outweigh the cons. Every car is going to have things that people like and dislike about them. Would we rather have BMW have 6 LCI iterations of the e46? Sometimes change is good, even when people are resistant.

The S3 is direct competitor. Weighs 3300 lbs about 330 hp.

I'd guess they will be pretty similair performance wise. Given how fat this 2 series is relative to its power.

BMW has the advantage of rwd based awd and 50/50 weight. Audi has the advantage in the trans engine mount gets you 4 doors and they use much more aluminum to keep weight down.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by SleepingBMW

The S3 is direct competitor. Weighs 3300 lbs about 330 hp.

I'd guess they will be pretty similair performance wise. Given how fat this 2 series is relative to its power.

BMW has the advantage of rwd based awd and 50/50 weight. Audi has the advantage in the trans engine mount gets you 4 doors and they use much more aluminum to keep weight down.

Having seen this car in the flesh, I'd put money on it not weighing a significant amount more than the B58 F22 M240i. It isn't a bigger car, has the same engine and gearbox, etc. So no reason to be massively heavier.
I think the standards that BMW use to declare weight have changed, adding weight for future upgrades without needing homologation.

[zipstic]

Originally Posted by SleepingBMW

The S3 is direct competitor. Weighs 3300 lbs about 330 hp.

I'd guess they will be pretty similair performance wise. Given how fat this 2 series is relative to its power.

BMW has the advantage of rwd based awd and 50/50 weight. Audi has the advantage in the trans engine mount gets you 4 doors and they use much more aluminum to keep weight down.

The S3 has four doors vs the 2 door G42.

The S3 has about 100 less HP than the M240: 288 vs 382 (Although the new 2022 S3 is rumored to be a little over 300)

I suppose people could cross shop these two vehicles, but I wouldn't really consider them direct competitors.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Base vs base. To me new car is sharper (modern) and more interesting. I appreciate BMW going away from the puffy pillow look.

230i would actually be a cool little car, but the Dynamic Handling pack which includes the M-sport Diff requires M-sport pack.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by alex2364

The only fact is that majority of people are posting and commenting on the M240i and you post a pic of a base vanilla 228i. Everything else is your opinion.

I didn't post a picture of anything so not a fact. The title of the thread includes the 230i as have several photos been posted and commented on so again not a fact that I compared a base 228i to an M240i as you said previously. As far as I can see you keep changing goal posts when I pick holes in your arguments. You can keep trying or you can just accept when you are wrong.

[zipstic]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Nice Goodwood Festival of Speed shot by forum member Mani59:

This is a great angle shot. You can really get a good look at the power dome.

[heavyD^2]

The more I see it the more I like it and once again a very solid launch color as with IOMG with the G8x. As we have seen with the M340i and Supra the high output B58 makes for a car as quick or quicker than an F8x M3/M4 so the M240i xDrive is maybe going to be a very attractive car for people in northern climates that maybe don't want to winter drive an M2. This car already has a lot of M-styling cues with the mirrors, hood, etc. I can only assume the upcoming M2 is going to perform in a dead heat with non-comp G8x cars and possibly quicker in a straight line when equipped with the ZF-8. I was all set on getting a G80 but now I may have to wait to see the G87 M2.

[IndyRed128i]

What are everyone's thought's on the new 2 series coupe design??

I'll admit it looks better than the 2 series sedan, but i'm still not completely sold on it from what we can see so far. Will be interesting to see how the driving compares to the F22

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I'm not comparing anything to specifically the M240i as the white 230i photos exists in this thread as well. The fact is that that the last gen looked vanilla boring at launch. This new generation does not. That photo depicts what the 2 series looked like at launch as do these 230i and M240i photos. It is what it is. You can dig up launch photos of the F22 with the M Sport package if you want but that's probably not going to help your case much.

there you go

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

The more I see it the more I like it and once again a very solid launch color as with IOMG with the G8x. As we have seen with the M340i and Supra the high output B58 makes for a car as quick or quicker than an F8x M3/M4 so the M240i xDrive is maybe going to be a very attractive car for people in northern climates that maybe don't want to winter drive an M2. This car already has a lot of M-styling cues with the mirrors, hood, etc. I can only assume the upcoming M2 is going to perform in a dead heat with non-comp G8x cars and possibly quicker in a straight line when equipped with the ZF-8. I was all set on getting a G80 but now I may have to wait to see the G87 M2.

Based on what evidence? Keep making up BS.

[..Rush..]

Hey friend!
There's a whole, giant thread floating around the forum regarding the new 2 series.
Lots of opinions, some positive, some negative.
Good luck!

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

The more I see it the more I like it and once again a very solid launch color as with IOMG with the G8x. As we have seen with the M340i and Supra the high output B58 makes for a car as quick or quicker than an F8x M3/M4 so the M240i xDrive is maybe going to be a very attractive car for people in northern climates that maybe don't want to winter drive an M2. This car already has a lot of M-styling cues with the mirrors, hood, etc. I can only assume the upcoming M2 is going to perform in a dead heat with non-comp G8x cars and possibly quicker in a straight line when equipped with the ZF-8. I was all set on getting a G80 but now I may have to wait to see the G87 M2.

*raises hand* yep that's me. I've been really close to pulling the trigger on M4 xdrive but don't want to stomach the MSRP and don't really need a second full blown M. I really like what I see of the G42. They made it substantially more special than the outgoing model with appearance options and making it essentially equal to 4 series. And let's not kid ourselves about the absolutely abysmal steering of the F gen which is completely fixed on the G20/G80 and should be equal on the G42. I've learned for me that the feeling of driving a special car is what I have to have in order to be satisfied. I think I could spec this as a pretty special car.

[J-RO]

I remember all the people bashing the rear of the 2 series gran coupe. IMHO it looks better than the rear of the new 2 series coupe.

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

That's different.

https://news-stadt.de/wp-content/upl...uli_2021-1.pdf
4UR Ambient light
with ambient lighting designs
- LED incident light (waterfall lighting)
- Ambient door pocket lighting
- Ambient center stack lighting (center stack storage compartment lighting)
- Ambient footwell light at the front and rear
- Ambient instrument panel lighting
- Ambient door mirror lighting
- Contour lighting door panel front and rear
- includes 6 predefined selectable lighting designs in different colors with contour and ambient lighting
- In addition, the Welcome Light Carpet stages an ambient light graphic in the entry and exit areas on the left and right by means of light projection (integrated light source in the side sills on the left and right)

43A M accent surfaces, illuminated
Accent surfaces in the door surfaces in the M stripes
Only in conjunction with Sensatec perforated cognac / black / Vernasca leather tacora red with decorative stitching /
Black with decorative stitching / black with contrast stitching blue / cognac with decorative stitching

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by alex2364

Based on what evidence? Keep making up BS.

Is this not evidence? What more proof do you need as they are all C&D so same testing methods? I threw in the C&D Lightning lap times for good measure. I didn't mention the CS or Competition models so not making anything up here. The 5-60 mph times are where the B58 really shines. How can you call someone out for making BS when they have facts?

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...d-test-review/

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-2014-feature/

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...lightning-lap/

M340i is a little slower around VIR but still pretty impressive given it comes with undertired and with lesser brakes.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...lightning-lap/

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Is this not evidence? What more proof do you need as they are all C&D so same testing methods? I threw in the C&D Lightning lap times for good measure. I didn't mention the CS or Competition models so not making anything up here. The 5-60 mph times are where the B58 really shines. How can you call someone out for making BS when they have facts?

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...d-test-review/

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-2014-feature/

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...lightning-lap/

M340i is a little slower around VIR but still pretty impressive given it comes with undertired and with lesser brakes.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...lightning-lap/

By avoiding facts that prove you wrong. Good job avoiding the review from C&D that had the faster M4 time. Let me give you a summary.

M4 1/4 mile: 12.0
Supra 1/4 mile: 12.1
M340i 1/4 mile: 12.3

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...c-test-review/

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by alex2364

By avoiding facts that prove you wrong. Good job avoiding the review from C&D that had the faster M4 time. Let me give you a summary.

M4 1/4 mile: 12.0
Supra 1/4 mile: 12.1
M340i 1/4 mile: 12.3

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...c-test-review/

Do the Supra and M340i times use rollout? I don't remember when exactly C/D modified their testing but I remember a lot of talk on here about how rollout effected the time of the RWD M340i's 0-60 times in one of the threads.