[F87source]

Originally Posted by NickyC

I wanted Max to win, but c'mon he straight up ran Sir Lewis' ass off the road. I don't know what those stewards were smoking but that was clear as day to me.

Amazing race from Lewis, the guy is just incredible.

It's like max just stopped turning the wheel mid corner. It was so blatant that he tried to force Lewis off the track that even max couldn't stay on track.

Interesting call for the FIA, maybe it's maxfia

[fiveohwblow]

Or the dirty line and accelerated pace they both took into the corner racing each other cause them both to go off… it’s not like either was at a varying degree of speed during the entire event, therefore, if one was in a bad spot it’s likely both were. I am genuinely curious to see his steering wheel position as that will tell the tale. When watching live the camera switched to the rear footage at just the right (wrong) moment.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Or the dirty line and accelerated pace they both took into the corner racing each other cause them both to go off… it’s not like either was at a varying degree of speed during the entire event, therefore, if one was in a bad spot it’s likely both were. I am genuinely curious to see his steering wheel position as that will tell the tale. When watching live the camera switched to the rear footage at just the right (wrong) moment.

Yeah steering footage will tell. Either way it is what it is, I don't really care I just wanted to poke some fun.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by F87source

Yeah steering footage will tell. Either way it is what it is, I don't really care I just wanted to poke some fun.

FIA still hasn't released the footage apparently, we have in car from Lewis but not from Max yet.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by NickyC

FIA still hasn't released the footage apparently, we have in car from Lewis but not from Max yet.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm.

Where do you guys get this data? From the f1 site and do you have to pay?

I normally watch f1 on my tv so I don't think I have any kind of f1 membership.

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by NickyC

FIA still hasn't released the footage apparently, we have in car from Lewis but not from Max yet.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm.

Steering wheel footage would be great but,
It's pretty clear in this pic

Ver front wheels are def pointing out & Ham are pointed on line.

[jkoral]

Originally Posted by NickyC

FIA still hasn't released the footage apparently, we have in car from Lewis but not from Max yet.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/992372...tfacing-camera

Formula 1’s stewards did not have access to the forward-facing camera on Max Verstappen’s car when reviewing his defence against Lewis Hamilton during the Sao Paulo Grand Prix.

Masi admitted the missing front-facing camera was “potentially” a key piece of evidence but “we didn’t have access to it.”

“It hasn’t been obtained but it’s been requested,” Masi said. “That will be downloaded and we’ll have a look at them.”

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by F87source

Where do you guys get this data? From the f1 site and do you have to pay?

I normally watch f1 on my tv so I don't think I have any kind of f1 membership.

No I don't have that (though I've always wanted to get it hah!), I just scour the old interwebs/youtube etc. Somebody always uploads it, but from what I've seen so far they haven't released the in-car footage from Max.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by jkoral

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/992372...tfacing-camera

Formula 1’s stewards did not have access to the forward-facing camera on Max Verstappen’s car when reviewing his defence against Lewis Hamilton during the Sao Paulo Grand Prix.

Masi admitted the missing front-facing camera was “potentially” a key piece of evidence but “we didn’t have access to it.”

“It hasn’t been obtained but it’s been requested,” Masi said. “That will be downloaded and we’ll have a look at them.”

This might be bad news for Max if indeed he did just steer straight into Lewis.

Originally Posted by NickyC

No I don't have that (though I've always wanted to get it hah!), I just scour the old interwebs/youtube etc. Somebody always uploads it, but from what I've seen so far they haven't released the in-car footage from Max.

Yeah I just checked the f1 site, you can pay a sub fee to have access to the cameras on the car and team radio and such. $80/year for the full exclusive everything pack and like $40/year for less features. Not bad, I pay around that much for a single UFC fight or boxing fight.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

Steering wheel footage would be great but,
It's pretty clear in this pic

Ver front wheels are def pointing out & Ham are pointed on line.

Attachment 2743251

Can't really say I'm surprised, max's defenses are really agressive to the point of being border line dirty at times. When he was a rookie he used to swerve like crazy defending which was super reckless, he did some of that today too.

Also max always tries to push people wide on defenses, he did it to Lewis alot this year and well again today, and as per usual (except the few times he didn't) lewis backed out and avoided the crash.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by minn19

Continue with this and I will ask for the mods to decide.

Well you do that then....
I'm sure they'll pick up on your foul language. You're the only one that reverts to that and wishes F1 drivers to die in crashes...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Well you do that then....
I'm sure they'll pick up on your foul language. You're the only one that reverts to that and wishes F1 drivers to die in crashes...

On the subject of foul language I believe Wolf swore in his F1 confines on camera so will the Fia bring him to book for conduct unbecoming of a team manager.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MC cheated half his career !

Google is your friend , mate ...

RB has decided not to protest just yet of suspected M erc cheating concerning the rear wing and other items and it's showing on wolf by his uncouth swearing and ranting at RB now.
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-w...ainst-mercedes

[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

On the subject of foul language I believe Wolf swore in his F1 confines on camera so will the Fia bring him to book for conduct unbecoming of a team manager.

You heard what Wolf said? I don't recall hearing audio from the Mercedes garage when the camera cut to Wolf after Lewis passed Max. You might think Wolf swore, but you didn't hear anything. If you're a lip reader, exactly what did he say?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by M2CS

You heard what Wolf said? I don't recall hearing audio from the Mercedes garage when the camera cut to Wolf after Lewis passed Max. You might think Wolf swore, but you didn't hear anything. If you're a lip reader, exactly what did he say?

I saw a clip where he swore and the word was there starred and don't ask me where mate.

[3798j]

Max has a history of bad manners and poor judgement when defending the overtake...and it was on display yesterday.
Without the in car camera footage, race control was handicapped.
Masi has confirmed Verstappen came close to receiving a black-and-white flag for the incident.
"It certainly came into my mind," conceded Masi. "I looked at it a few more times [and] it wasn't far off a black-and-white flag."

[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by M2CS

You heard what Wolf said? I don't recall hearing audio from the Mercedes garage when the camera cut to Wolf after Lewis passed Max. You might think Wolf swore, but you didn't hear anything. If you're a lip reader, exactly what did he say?

It's on the official F1 Instagram account. Pretty obvious to me he says F—- YES!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Max has a history of bad manners and poor judgement when defending the overtake...and it was on display yesterday.
Without the in car camera footage, race control was handicapped.
Masi has confirmed Verstappen came close to receiving a black-and-white flag for the incident.
"It certainly came into my mind," conceded Masi. "I looked at it a few more times [and] it wasn't far off a black-and-white flag."

It was decided that it was a fair block by Max.

[Steeler]

Wolf showing some emotion, not a bad thing. Good for the sport in my opinion.
Now to just get Horner to quit his Karening and we all good.

[3798j]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It was decided that it was a fair block by Max.

Not quite...Masi will look into Max's dirty driving.
Asked if the forward-facing on-board footage from Verstappen's Red Bull had been available when looking at the incident, Masi said: "It is only the cameras that are broadcast that are basically what we have access to throughout.
Regarding that forward onboard footage..."It hasn’t been obtained yet. It has been requested.”
Put to him this footage is the "smoking gun" in this instance, Masi conceded: “It could be, absolutely.
"But we didn’t have access to it. It has been downloaded and once the commercial rights holder supplies it, we will have a look.
Absolutely [I will look at it]. We’ve got the forward-facing, the 360…all of the camera angles that we don’t get live will be downloaded and we will have a look at them.”

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Not quite...Masi will look into Max's dirty driving.
Asked if the forward-facing on-board footage from Verstappen's Red Bull had been available when looking at the incident, Masi said: "It is only the cameras that are broadcast that are basically what we have access to throughout.
Regarding that forward onboard footage..."It hasn’t been obtained yet. It has been requested.”
Put to him this footage is the "smoking gun" in this instance, Masi conceded: “It could be, absolutely.
"But we didn’t have access to it. It has been downloaded and once the commercial rights holder supplies it, we will have a look.
Absolutely [I will look at it]. We’ve got the forward-facing, the 360…all of the camera angles that we don’t get live will be downloaded and we will have a look at them.”

Commercial rights holder is under no obligation to hand anything over as they are nothing to do with the actual running of a team.

[jkoral]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Not quite...

Even without the forward facing onboard footage, they didn't even look at the telemetry:

"As the incident was merely noted and not investigated, it meant the stewards will not have reviewed the telemetry from Verstappen’s car highlighting his corner entry speed, braking point and steering inputs."

From https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-ve...ssing-footage/