[chris719]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

So was I. The cabin airfilter is a two-piece housing. The upper housing is held in place by 4 screws on the cowl and two screws on the tabs of the upper housing. The lower housing is held by two screws. It lifts up and pulls away from the cowl. Really not that difficult nor time consuming.

The new M4, now that is disabling ugly. Lol.

The grille has grown on me seeing it in person. It wouldn’t stop me from owning one, anyway. The main reason I bought my M2C instead of a base G80 manual is that the G80 is nearly an M5 now in size, and it’s also too fast for the road. I have trouble remembering not to lose my license in the M2. With a full-tune S58 in G8x comp package it would be just a hammer you can’t use unless you’re feeling lucky.

Since you’re a E86 owner, I don’t think BMW is going to have much left for you. Even my M2C doesn’t have that seating position or packaging of a true sports car. I am hoping to drive a Supra sometime but I passed on them because no manual. If the pandemic didn’t throw a wrench into things I’d have gotten a 997.2 C2S or 981 Cayman S and called it a day.

I’m actually looking forward to an electric Boxster. It could be awesome.

[Clark_Kent]

Originally Posted by chris719

The grille has grown on me seeing it in person. It wouldn’t stop me from owning one, anyway. The main reason I bought my M2C instead of a base G80 manual is that the G80 is nearly an M5 now in size, and it’s also too fast for the road. I have trouble remembering not to lose my license in the M2. With a full-tune S58 in G8x comp package it would be just a hammer you can’t use unless you’re feeling lucky.

Since you’re a E86 owner, I don’t think BMW is going to have much left for you. Even my M2C doesn’t have that seating position or packaging of a true sports car. I am hoping to drive a Supra sometime but I passed on them because no manual. If the pandemic didn’t throw a wrench into things I’d have gotten a 997.2 C2S or 981 Cayman S and called it a day.

I’m actually looking forward to an electric Boxster. It could be awesome.

Interesting. This the first I've heard someone say they're excited for an electric P car.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by chris719

The grille has grown on me seeing it in person. It wouldn’t stop me from owning one, anyway. The main reason I bought my M2C instead of a base G80 manual is that the G80 is nearly an M5 now in size, and it’s also too fast for the road. I have trouble remembering not to lose my license in the M2. With a full-tune S58 in G8x comp package it would be just a hammer you can’t use unless you’re feeling lucky.

Since you’re a E86 owner, I don’t think BMW is going to have much left for you. Even my M2C doesn’t have that seating position or packaging of a true sports car. I am hoping to drive a Supra sometime but I passed on them because no manual. If the pandemic didn’t throw a wrench into things I’d have gotten a 997.2 C2S or 981 Cayman S and called it a day.

I’m actually looking forward to an electric Boxster. It could be awesome.

Pretty much anything past about 300 hp, falls in that category. About the only time you can use them in real life is blasting up an onramp and then shutting it down as you approach traffic.

[wdb]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Pretty much anything past about 300 hp, falls in that category. About the only time you can use them in real life is blasting up an onramp and then shutting it down as you approach traffic.

That depends heavily on where one lives. I've gotten the tires on my Z4MC up to the greasy zone on public roads, and I was really only putting myself at risk while doing so.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Pretty much anything past about 300 hp, falls in that category. About the only time you can use them in real life is blasting up an onramp and then shutting it down as you approach traffic.

Yeah, but there are levels. In my Z4M you could wind it out a bit longer and end up at 100 instead of 130 or 140 like you would be in a G80.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Pretty much anything past about 300 hp, falls in that category. About the only time you can use them in real life is blasting up an onramp and then shutting it down as you approach traffic.

Yeah, but there are levels. In my Z4M you could wind it out a bit longer and end up at 100 instead of 130 or 140 like you would be in a G80.

Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

Interesting. This the first I've heard someone say they're excited for an electric P car.

I am not particularly excited about an electric 911, but I do think an electric roadster could be interesting. If the weight can be kept down enough, the very low center of gravity and torque could make for a fun car. It won't be a Spyder or GT4 experience with the engine, but it could be its own thing.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I was going to jump out of this thread with all the subtle attemps at instults by one knucklehead in PA, but what the heck...

I got to thinking this morning, maybe I'll break out of my old-goat shell, drop the pending Bronco purchase and go electric. The Administration said last week basically FU about gas prices; so gas is just going to get jacked higher into a stronger forcing function to convert to EV. That's their asinine goal and they are sticking to it.

The mandatory EV Big Screen TV in the i4 is almost tolerable compared to the E-Stang, Tesla, and others. But FFS while everyone else goes muted grille on their EVs to indicate it doesn't need to be a mouth-breathng dragon to cool the earth-killing engine, BMW puts the prevailing grotesquely ugly beaver face on the i4 when it really needs no grille at all; LOL. If one can get the $7,500 tax credit, the entry price can be tolerable. The real-world 4-season range is probably 250 miles for the i40. With my commuting needs as it sits now, replacing the E90 with an i40 could fill the spot. I do wish it was a true sedan and not a giant hatchback.

Maybe I'll go drive one just out of curiosity...

Meh.

Converted ICEV platforms only get half the benefit of going EV.

The other half (getting S class interior space in an E class sized car-- E.g. the model S can have 3 seat rows AND a FRUNK) they miss out on completely.

i4 is not a bespoke EV platform, and therefore missing half the benefit IMO.

... and it's almost 4700 lbs(!)

Also, assuming you meant me, not sure what I said you thought was insulting...

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Meh.

Converted ICEV platforms only get half the benefit of going EV.

The other half (getting S class interior space in an E class sized car-- E.g. the model S can have 3 seat rows AND a FRUNK) they miss out on completely.

i4 is not a bespoke EV platform, and therefore missing half the benefit IMO.

... and it's almost 4700 lbs(!)

I sort of agree. I'm sure it drives well, but right now given the charging network and bespoke platform, I would have trouble convincing myself to get an EV that isn't a Tesla. Problem is, I don't really want a Tesla.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by chris719

I sort of agree. I'm sure it drives well, but right now given the charging network and bespoke platform, I would have trouble convincing myself to get an EV that isn't a Tesla. Problem is, I don't really want a Tesla.

Assuming you can charge at home, the charging network is really only something you worry about before you own an EV. It's fine, and also almost never comes up (if you can charge at home).

For me, the EV to beat is the Lucid Air. It is the only car (so far) that is good dynamically (fun fact: e39 M5 was their dynamics target, and a significant number of the engineering team personally owns e39 M5s) AND takes advantage of EV packaging benefits (S class interior space in an E class sized car).

When they release it with a smaller battery (lighter, more back seat leg room, cheaper, 500 miles of range is silly), it's probably in my future.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Conissah

My brother in law swaps cars a lot. Had a few trucks, then a Genesis G80, then a Camaro SS until he decided he didn't like his gas bill. Traded that for a Model 3, says it's the best decision he has ever made and he LOVES it. 4 days after taking ownership, the seat recliner breaks, and the seat is stuck all the way forward. Just thought it was humorous as I've heard more horror stories with Tesla quality than just about any other manufacturer, including FCA.

It’s hit or miss on quality.

My 2022 model 3 is still holding up strong after like 3 months.

Meanwhile my 6 month old m3 already has 2 rattles.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

It’s hit or miss on quality.

My 2022 model 3 is still holding up strong after like 3 months.

Meanwhile my 6 month old m3 already has 2 rattles.

I can't decide if this post is meant ironically or not...

[Conissah]

Funny enough, I just got my registration renewal in the mail for the EV we got rid of. I noticed the fee seemed high, $179, not including the taxes. Below that in small text read "Registration fee includes a $130 electric charge." Huh...they gotta make that road/gas tax back somehow I guess.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Obioban

I can't decide if this post is meant ironically or not...

It is ironic.

Bmw is thought of having great build quality and Tesla the opposite.

I have rattles in my m3 and I don’t in my model 3.

[Conissah]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

It is ironic.

Bmw is thought of having great build quality and Tesla the opposite.

I have rattles in my m3 and I don’t in my model 3.

In 3 more months when the Model 3 is 6 months old, you won't be able to open your door handles. It all evens out.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

It is ironic.

Bmw is thought of having great build quality and Tesla the opposite.

I have rattles in my m3 and I don’t in my model 3.

Toyota/Lexus are thought of as having great build quality.

BMW is not.

Tesla is thought of as having bad build quality.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Conissah

In 3 more months when the Model 3 is 6 months old, you won't be able to open your door handles. It all evens out.

Could be true, except my friend with the same car at 8 months has better build quality so far than my m3.

But yeah I’ll look out for the door handles.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Toyota/Lexus are thought of as having great build quality.

BMW is not.

Tesla is thought of as having bad build quality.

Idk, everyone peaches bmw is one of the best or the best.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

It is ironic.

Bmw is thought of having great build quality and Tesla the opposite.

I have rattles in my m3 and I don’t in my model 3.

BMW hasn't had great build quality in a few decades. Sure the leather may feel nice, but I include reliability as a part of build quality.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Idk, everyone peaches bmw is one of the best or the best.

I'd need a reference for that.

When it comes to chassis and engine, pretty darn good, but Toyota or Honda level good? Nope. Better handling and faster, but not "fit and finish" better.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "build quality". Look and work as designed for a long long time? No, that's Toyota and Honda. Work beautifully like a finely tuned symphony when new, and then stuff starts breaking 1-2 years in? That's BMW.

Shawn

[Alfisti]

Wasn't there a rumour that Toyota was handed BMW's engine for the Supra, stuck it on a test bench and BMW said yeah she is good to go..... Toyota then shot back with an arm long list of shit that needed changing, mostly plastic parts to metal? Also BMW kept questioning why they kept relentlessly testing it day in, day out, under different simulated conditions

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Wasn't there a rumour that Toyota was handed BMW's engine for the Supra, stuck it on a test bench and BMW said yeah she is good to go..... Toyota then shot back with an arm long list of shit that needed changing, mostly plastic parts to metal? Also BMW kept questioning why they kept relentlessly testing it day in, day out, under different simulated conditions

I wouldn't be surprised if EXACTLY that happened.

That's why I don't ever see me having a BMW again unless its a new one on lease or I somehow stumble across a cheap E30 worth saving.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

I'd need a reference for that.

When it comes to chassis and engine, pretty darn good, but Toyota or Honda level good? Nope. Better handling and faster, but not "fit and finish" better.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "build quality". Look and work as designed for a long long time? No, that's Toyota and Honda. Work beautifully like a finely tuned symphony when new, and then stuff starts breaking 1-2 years in? That's BMW.

Shawn

Check the g80 section. It appears that they think bmw is the best brand ever.