[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by moodyhank82

A few things:

1) I don't want to drive a beater car. I want to drive the best/most fun car I can drive everyday.

2) BMW does not offer a manual car with xDrive.

3) Most winter days in Denver Metro are still sunny and dry, temperatures above freezing.

4) I don't need to commute to work every day so the G87 can remain in the garage if there is more than couple of inches of snow on the ground. Plus we have a G05 in the garage should an emergency arise.

5) I daily drove an ND Miata for two years back when I had a long daily commute and not only it was doable but it was also simply great fun.

There's a few used manual xdrive 340i or 440i's still floating around (I think 2014-2016ish)

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by FryCookOnVenus

Is your R an Mk8? I'm on the M2 waitlist, but the sensible angel on my shoulder sometimes whispers, "Just get an R ya' dummy. It's 90% of the performance with twice the practicality for 2/3rds the cost."
My biggest apprehension about the R was the interior but I never thought it would be lacking in the fun department. Are you able to talk more about the difference in driving dynamics between your R and old M235?

I'm not sure 315hp will feel like 90% the performance of 453hp, it's only ~250 lbs lighter. Plus the FWD based AWD system won't feel nearly as dynamic as RWD.

[Scottydont1414]

Originally Posted by FryCookOnVenus

Is your R an Mk8? I'm on the M2 waitlist, but the sensible angel on my shoulder sometimes whispers, "Just get an R ya' dummy. It's 90% of the performance with twice the practicality for 2/3rds the cost."
My biggest apprehension about the R was the interior but I never thought it would be lacking in the fun department. Are you able to talk more about the difference in driving dynamics between your R and old M235?

I had a Golf MK7, 2017. I found the interior quality equal to my M235 (I probably even liked it more, more tech, bigger screen, high quality). If it was strictly up for the interior I'd probably take the Golf or RS3.

I found it wasn't nearly as fun to drive. Despite having the same 0-60 and similar power (305hp to 340hp m235) it didn't feel the same. I love a RWD car leaning back onto the power and being able to control oversteer and understeer with the throttle. It's a balance and an art. The way it accelerated was different too, the 4cyl Golf was peaky and had a lot of turbo lag. The m235 had almost none. My buddy has a 2019 RS3 and said I wouldn't like it - it's less playful than his STI.

The Golf R was quick but it would understeer. It was a great all year round car but even in the winter it wasn't that playful. I found myself not playing with it enough to justify it over a base all wheel drive Golf.

Nothing against the Golf R, it's an amazing car for those that want something sports car fast but practical and all year round. I thought it was the perfect bargain but I found in the end there were just too many compromises on both sides. I didn't use the performance because it wasn't rewarding and fun but it was more expensive and higher cost to maintain/depreciate.

If that was my impression between the R and m235, I can only imagine the M2 takes it to the next level.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by Scottydont1414

I had a Golf MK7, 2017. I found the interior quality equal to my M235 (I probably even liked it more, more tech, bigger screen, high quality). If it was strictly up for the interior I'd probably take the Golf or RS3.

I found it wasn't nearly as fun to drive. Despite having the same 0-60 and similar power (305hp to 340hp m235) it didn't feel the same. I love a RWD car leaning back onto the power and being able to control oversteer and understeer with the throttle. It's a balance and an art. The way it accelerated was different too, the 4cyl Golf was peaky and had a lot of turbo lag. The m235 had almost none. My buddy has a 2019 RS3 and said I wouldn't like it - it's less playful than his STI.

The Golf R was quick but it would understeer. It was a great all year round car but even in the winter it wasn't that playful. I found myself not playing with it enough to justify it over a base all wheel drive Golf.

Nothing against the Golf R, it's an amazing car for those that want something sports car fast but practical and all year round. I thought it was the perfect bargain but I found in the end there were just too many compromises on both sides. I didn't use the performance because it wasn't rewarding and fun but it was more expensive and higher cost to maintain/depreciate.

If that was my impression between the R and m235, I can only imagine the M2 takes it to the next level.

The Second Gen RS3 are way improved (not sure what your friend had).

My B9 S5 (when stock), was very comparable to the '23 M240. With the tune I have on the S5, its a tick less in hp (dyno'd at 379hp) but a torque monster (dyno'd at 560 torque) and with the twin scroll turbo having no lag, it will give many unsuspecting cars more than a run for their money from stop light to stop light.

With the low torque on the M2, that is what I will miss most and what may make me take the risk, bite the bullet and ger 'er tuned.

[dominoM]

It's hard for some folks used to warmer locales to understand us nutty gearheads in winter climates. Everybody has their reasons. We are a hardy and committed bunch.

But anyhoo how about them US M2 allocations, huh?

[d3sign3r]

I'm having a hard time being patient I ran out of M2 media to look at now I'm watching all the G42 content. Come on...

[FryCookOnVenus]

Originally Posted by Scottydont1414

I had a Golf MK7, 2017. I found the interior quality equal to my M235 (I probably even liked it more, more tech, bigger screen, high quality). If it was strictly up for the interior I'd probably take the Golf or RS3.

I found it wasn't nearly as fun to drive. Despite having the same 0-60 and similar power (305hp to 340hp m235) it didn't feel the same. I love a RWD car leaning back onto the power and being able to control oversteer and understeer with the throttle. It's a balance and an art. The way it accelerated was different too, the 4cyl Golf was peaky and had a lot of turbo lag. The m235 had almost none. My buddy has a 2019 RS3 and said I wouldn't like it - it's less playful than his STI.

The Golf R was quick but it would understeer. It was a great all year round car but even in the winter it wasn't that playful. I found myself not playing with it enough to justify it over a base all wheel drive Golf.

Nothing against the Golf R, it's an amazing car for those that want something sports car fast but practical and all year round. I thought it was the perfect bargain but I found in the end there were just too many compromises on both sides. I didn't use the performance because it wasn't rewarding and fun but it was more expensive and higher cost to maintain/depreciate.

If that was my impression between the R and m235, I can only imagine the M2 takes it to the next level.

Thanks for taking the time to respond. Very helpful.

I have a 2016 GTI and I've really loved it. It's not a sports car, but it's been a fun jack-of-all-trades, minus that annoying, significant turbo lag. And, as you said, the interior is phenomenal, especially for a car that I got new for less than $30k.

When I learned about the 2022 Golf R, I was excited. A stick, a hatch and AWD sounded perfect for Colorado, and the increase in power and the trick diff made it sound like a great candidate with almost no compromises. Unfortunately, the interior was a huge step back. Cheap, ugly, and most importantly, severely compromised functionality. Still, I thought I could get used to it, especially if it performed as well as advertised.

I'll still drive one for myself, but I suspect I'll have the same experience as you and realize that in the end, most FWD biased cars will not be as fun as their RWD comparables.

[InspectorSeb]

Originally Posted by FryCookOnVenus

Is your R an Mk8? I'm on the M2 waitlist, but the sensible angel on my shoulder sometimes whispers, "Just get an R ya' dummy. It's 90% of the performance with twice the practicality for 2/3rds the cost."
My biggest apprehension about the R was the interior but I never thought it would be lacking in the fun department. Are you able to talk more about the difference in driving dynamics between your R and old M235?

Have you tried looking for an MK8?

I've spent an unreasonable amount of time trying to get into one, and it's nearly impossible to find one without an insane markup, often 15-20k over.

The MK8 R makes a lot of sense for a daily in a variable climate; however it only makes sense to me at its list price.

I'd rather have an M2 instead of an MK8 R inflated to M2 prices

[FryCookOnVenus]

Originally Posted by InspectorSeb

Have you tried looking for an MK8?

I've spent an unreasonable amount of time trying to get into one, and it's nearly impossible to find one without an insane markup, often 15-20k over.

The MK8 R makes a lot of sense for a daily in a variable climate; however it only makes sense to me at its list price.

I'd rather have an M2 instead of an MK8 R inflated to M2 prices

No, I haven't looked for an Mk8 R but I'd heard they're scarce. And while I was aware that most dealers are charging market adjustments, I didn't realize it was quite so high.

At $60k, there's no case to be made for the R when it was easy enough to find an M2 at MSRP.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Scottydont1414

I had a Golf MK7, 2017. I found the interior quality equal to my M235 (I probably even liked it more, more tech, bigger screen, high quality). If it was strictly up for the interior I'd probably take the Golf or RS3.

I found it wasn't nearly as fun to drive. Despite having the same 0-60 and similar power (305hp to 340hp m235) it didn't feel the same. I love a RWD car leaning back onto the power and being able to control oversteer and understeer with the throttle. It's a balance and an art. The way it accelerated was different too, the 4cyl Golf was peaky and had a lot of turbo lag. The m235 had almost none. My buddy has a 2019 RS3 and said I wouldn't like it - it's less playful than his STI.

The Golf R was quick but it would understeer. It was a great all year round car but even in the winter it wasn't that playful. I found myself not playing with it enough to justify it over a base all wheel drive Golf.

Nothing against the Golf R, it's an amazing car for those that want something sports car fast but practical and all year round. I thought it was the perfect bargain but I found in the end there were just too many compromises on both sides. I didn't use the performance because it wasn't rewarding and fun but it was more expensive and higher cost to maintain/depreciate.

If that was my impression between the R and m235, I can only imagine the M2 takes it to the next level.

Both my wife and I preferred our manual 2017 M240i over our manual 2016 Golf R. From a winter car perspective the car I miss the most is the 2007 Z4M. Still one of the best short drives I have had in the winter was the access road to Kicking Horse Resort with 5cm of snow on it, roof down on the Z4M and rooster tails of snow off the rear wheels with some nice controlled sideways action on the uphill corners.

[KevinC]

[Alpha97]

I check this thread after EVERY new post hoping for news about US allocations and all I see is a love fest for cars that I have ZERO interest in. Get a room people

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by Alpha97

I check this thread after EVERY new post hoping for news about US allocations and all I see is a love fest for cars that I have ZERO interest in. Get a room people.

I agree but unfortunately this seems to happen with every thread. All it takes is one post on a different subject matter and its a domino effect...

[Chet for short]

I'm on a wait list for both (MK8 R since 12/21 and G87 since 11/22). Only want one, hoping for M2 to be available first.

[Game]

Originally Posted by Chet for short

I'm on a wait list for both (MK8 R since 12/21 and G87 since 11/22). Only want one, hoping for M2 to be available first.

Unless you settle for a HEA, I imagine you'll get the R first.

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Both my wife and I preferred our manual 2017 M240i over our manual 2016 Golf R. From a winter car perspective the car I miss the most is the 2007 Z4M. Still one of the best short drives I have had in the winter was the access road to Kicking Horse Resort with 5cm of snow on it, roof down on the Z4M and rooster tails of snow off the rear wheels with some nice controlled sideways action on the uphill corners.

I love driving my E90 335i 6MT in slippery conditions. Of course no LSD so to simulate it I have to turn on DTC.

Everybody in the past said that I wouldn't miss having a LSD (wouldn't feel the difference going from E46M3 to E90 335i). I am pretty sure I can feel the difference when taking corners and curves at higher speed and in slippery condition.

I hate DSC cutting off my gas. I push the rear end to go loose every safe chance I get. It helped me feeling much more confident in adverse conditions to correct course when needed.

[Biimmer]

Just received my allocation!! Scheduled for the third week of March, Phoenix, AZ. 🤙🏻

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by Biimmer

Just received my allocation!! Scheduled for the third week of March, Phoenix, AZ. 🤙🏻

Dope! do the dealer folks see more orders shifting to 112 than the ~40 we've already heard about?

[FryCookOnVenus]

Originally Posted by Biimmer

Just received my allocation!! Scheduled for the third week of March, Phoenix, AZ. 🤙🏻

Congrats. Is 3rd week of March the production start date? Did they give you an idea of how long until you get your mitts on it?

[Biimmer]

Originally Posted by CodeSlinger

Dope! do the dealer folks see more orders shifting to 112 than the ~40 we've already heard about?

I would think so, since not everyone's on this forum. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Biimmer]

Originally Posted by FryCookOnVenus

Congrats. Is 3rd week of March the production start date? Did they give you an idea of how long until you get your mitts on it?

Thanks! Yes, I believe so... I am assuming the car will be built prior to launch/release. So now that I have an allocation, I am hopeful for April/May delivery but we'll see. 😊

[Jasonmichaeljones]

Originally Posted by Biimmer

Just received my allocation!! Scheduled for the third week of March, Phoenix, AZ. 🤙🏻

Were you first in line at your dealer?