[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by kyriian

This
They most defenitely understand economics
It's the environment they do not, and unwilling to remotely understand

In the end, the result is the majority suffers for the benefit of the very few while they sit back in their doomsday bunker.

Like a Bond villian. Economics for Evil.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by dfox

Doom and gloom. Fear. Absolutism. It's all you guys have to back up on. Even when someone comes in with a middle-ground position, you just back up to the extremist views. It's comical, really.

Something the gubment finds alien.

[Car-Addicted]

House Joins Senate in Voting to Strike Down 'Pro-Communist' EV Charger Rule
January 12, 202
Rubio
“The bottom line is this. If we’re going to spend $5 billion of taxpayer money to build electric vehicle charging stations for the United States, it should be made by Americans, in America, using American products,” he said. Bozo veto is planned.
https://www.westernjournal.com/house...-charger-rule/

Remember this? I do.
New Bozo EV charger rules stress Made In America, force Tesla changes
February 15, 2023
EV charger manufacturer Tritium (DCFC.O) announced on Wednesday that it will add more than 250 jobs to its Tennessee manufacturing facility, bringing the total to more than 750 jobs at the site.
The chargers must be assembled at a U.S. factory, and any iron or steel charger enclosures or housing must be made in the United States, starting immediately.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...es-2023-02-15/

It only took 11 months to screw American companies and union workers. So much for the "The Buy America provision" that was meant to support American businesses and bolster U.S. manufacturers. Bet those American companies that answered the call to build it in America are just thrilled to death today. Some CCP goon must of bought a bunch of Hunter art to get that veto.

[tturedraider]

From the Brits forum. Those guys are funny and they’ve never heard of “politically correct “.

Originally Posted by Alscoob

They said go EV...I said already have mate!

[tturedraider]

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[Car-Addicted]

Things that make you go Hmmmm
If fossil fuels come from fossils, why have scientists found them on one of Saturn’s moons
Essentially a frozen, lifeless moon with no dinosaurs, forests or peat bogs, somehow has lakes of methane. Not only does Titan have liquid seas of hydrocarbon fuel — but we’ve known this for years. In fact even in 2005 a NASA scientist quietly admitted that Titan had methane that wasn’t made from fossils. But where was NASA in the 18 years since?
Soon explains that Titan proves that abiotic oil and gas formation is true. In 2009 an experiment showed that when methane is put under great pressure like the kind we find 50-100 miles underground, it can form more complex hydrocarbons. (Kolesnikov). Several papers in the last dozen years find more exotic kinds of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons all over the place, like in Titan’s atmosphere and even forming in deep cold interstellar space. (Zhao, Parker, Freissinet) They also found benzene on Mars.


Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find
Together with two research colleagues, Vladimir Kutcherov has simulated the process involving pressure and heat that occurs naturally in the inner layers of the earth, the process that generates hydrocarbon, the primary component in oil and natural gas.

According to Vladimir Kutcherov, the findings are a clear indication that the oil supply is not about to end, which researchers and experts in the field have long feared.
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html

Yes by all means run right out and buy that planet killing EV to save the planet : "The science" tells we have "peak oil" any day now, but you can make a difference if you only plug your car into the grid. a grid powered by 80% fossil fuel.

[Car-Addicted]

Green cult destroying farmland to reduce population – that’s what going “carbon zero” actually means
Dec 28, 2023
The climate cult has set its sights on arable farmland and the food supply at large, which they claim is overheating the planet because there are simply too many people eating.
"Wind generators or solar panels consume one-third of the farmland worldwide," writes Martin Armstrong for Armstrong Economic. "This is what has inspired this thinking that we MUST reduce the population.
The U.S. food system contributes nearly 20 percent of the nation's carbon dioxide emissions. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) says that agricultural land use contributes 12 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions.
https://www.newstarget.com/2023-12-2...rbon-zero.html


I post this to lead into what I feel is one of the most dangerous trends in our future.
Natural Asset Company Pending regulations (NACs)
In their own words: To address the large and complex challenges of climate change and the transition to a more sustainable economy, NYSE and Intrinsic Exchange Group (IEG) are pioneering a new class of listed company based on nature and the benefits that nature provides (termed ecosystem services). NACs will capture the intrinsic and productive value of nature and provide a store of value based on the vital assets that underpin our entire economy and make life on earth possible. Examples of natural assets that could benefit from the NAC structure include natural landscapes such as forests, wetlands and coral reefs, as well as working lands such as farms.

They profit from “ecological performance” such as “conservation, restoration, or sustainable management.” These NACs would quantify and monetize these natural outputs (such as air or water).

Traditional accounting standards would not be used to regulate NACs. Likely, this is because NACs would not withstand scrutiny under generally accepted accounting principles. Rather, a new accounting framework would be created by the Intrinsic Exchange Group (IEG). Not coincidentally, the NYSE is an investor in IEG, and would stand to profit off the IEG’s position as an accounting authority.
These efforts intentionally prioritize environmentalism over human flourishing. IEG admits that “producing these essential goods and services and managing resources wisely is as valuable, or perhaps even more valuable, than the food production.”

https://www.tsln.com/news/natural-as...-land-schemes/

This massive grift was being pushed through the SEC with a limited comment period before the Christmas holidays. This Monday will most likely be the creation of a new asset class. The rich will get richer and the poor will die. I have spent my non working hours the last month getting the word out on this but there is no political solution that will fix this as this is a regulatory end run on land use. Yes if you read any of this, federal land are included in this, a sovereign wealth fund from say Iran could lock up massive amounts of farm land owned by the bureau of land management and control the use of that land. What could possibly go wrong.

This is an excellent short piece from Carol Roth economist.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...296887101.html

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

From the Brits forum. Those guys are funny and they’ve never heard of “politically correct “.

The Duracell is there to back up the Dellorto's just in case

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The Duracell is there to back up the Dellorto's just in case

'Jaguar I-Pace (January 11)

[murderspice]

!remindme 10 years

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

From the Brits forum. Those guys are funny and they’ve never heard of “politically correct “.

Love me some Ford Pinto motor.

[Murf the Surf]

Extreme cold in Calgary putting strain on grid and EV's battery capacity, Tesla reduced to 50% battery range.

https://globalnews.ca/video/10223657...as-energy-grid

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Green cult destroying farmland to reduce population – that’s what going “carbon zero” actually means
Dec 28, 2023
The climate cult has set its sights on arable farmland and the food supply at large, which they claim is overheating the planet because there are simply too many people eating.
"Wind generators or solar panels consume one-third of the farmland worldwide," writes Martin Armstrong for Armstrong Economic. "This is what has inspired this thinking that we MUST reduce the population.
The U.S. food system contributes nearly 20 percent of the nation's carbon dioxide emissions. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) says that agricultural land use contributes 12 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions.
https://www.newstarget.com/2023-12-2...rbon-zero.html


I post this to lead into what I feel is one of the most dangerous trends in our future.
Natural Asset Company Pending regulations (NACs)
In their own words: To address the large and complex challenges of climate change and the transition to a more sustainable economy, NYSE and Intrinsic Exchange Group (IEG) are pioneering a new class of listed company based on nature and the benefits that nature provides (termed ecosystem services). NACs will capture the intrinsic and productive value of nature and provide a store of value based on the vital assets that underpin our entire economy and make life on earth possible. Examples of natural assets that could benefit from the NAC structure include natural landscapes such as forests, wetlands and coral reefs, as well as working lands such as farms.

They profit from “ecological performance” such as “conservation, restoration, or sustainable management.” These NACs would quantify and monetize these natural outputs (such as air or water).

Traditional accounting standards would not be used to regulate NACs. Likely, this is because NACs would not withstand scrutiny under generally accepted accounting principles. Rather, a new accounting framework would be created by the Intrinsic Exchange Group (IEG). Not coincidentally, the NYSE is an investor in IEG, and would stand to profit off the IEG’s position as an accounting authority.
These efforts intentionally prioritize environmentalism over human flourishing. IEG admits that “producing these essential goods and services and managing resources wisely is as valuable, or perhaps even more valuable, than the food production.”

https://www.tsln.com/news/natural-as...-land-schemes/

This massive grift was being pushed through the SEC with a limited comment period before the Christmas holidays. This Monday will most likely be the creation of a new asset class. The rich will get richer and the poor will die. I have spent my non working hours the last month getting the word out on this but there is no political solution that will fix this as this is a regulatory end run on land use. Yes if you read any of this, federal land are included in this, a sovereign wealth fund from say Iran could lock up massive amounts of farm land owned by the bureau of land management and control the use of that land. What could possibly go wrong.

This is an excellent short piece from Carol Roth economist.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...296887101.html

Google "What is the Earth's maximum sustainable human population", and most estimates come back as 8 billion.

Google "What is the Earth's current population in 2023" the answer comes back 8,083,210,625.

Someone quick... do the math!

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Things that make you go Hmmmm
If fossil fuels come from fossils, why have scientists found them on one of Saturn’s moons
Essentially a frozen, lifeless moon with no dinosaurs, forests or peat bogs, somehow has lakes of methane. Not only does Titan have liquid seas of hydrocarbon fuel — but we’ve known this for years. In fact even in 2005 a NASA scientist quietly admitted that Titan had methane that wasn’t made from fossils. But where was NASA in the 18 years since?
Soon explains that Titan proves that abiotic oil and gas formation is true. In 2009 an experiment showed that when methane is put under great pressure like the kind we find 50-100 miles underground, it can form more complex hydrocarbons. (Kolesnikov). Several papers in the last dozen years find more exotic kinds of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons all over the place, like in Titan’s atmosphere and even forming in deep cold interstellar space. (Zhao, Parker, Freissinet) They also found benzene on Mars.


Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find
Together with two research colleagues, Vladimir Kutcherov has simulated the process involving pressure and heat that occurs naturally in the inner layers of the earth, the process that generates hydrocarbon, the primary component in oil and natural gas.

According to Vladimir Kutcherov, the findings are a clear indication that the oil supply is not about to end, which researchers and experts in the field have long feared.
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html

Yes by all means run right out and buy that planet killing EV to save the planet : "The science" tells we have "peak oil" any day now, but you can make a difference if you only plug your car into the grid. a grid powered by 80% fossil fuel.

Abiotic oil creation is a very hard sale to those who insist we must "believe the science"...

something about narrative.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

'Jaguar I-Pace (January 11)

Another I-Pace bites the dust and taking with it probably a hybrid SUV, they'll have to catch the bus for a while
Why did he park the EV in the garage?

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Google "What is the Earth's maximum sustainable human population", and most estimates come back as 8 billion.
Google "What is the Earth's current population in 2023" the answer comes back 8,083,210,625.
Someone quick... do the math!

Never to be spoken of in polite society.

Interspecific competition
In Biology, competition is defined as the process that occurs among species that have to compete for limited resources in order to survive. This competition over resources occurs between organisms because these species have niches that overlap and so they are forced to use the same resources such as food, water, and shelter. Competition is a perfect example of one of the many symbiotic relationships that happen in ecosystems.

The global elites have decided that our dystopian future will be about food and water.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Things that make you go Hmmmm
If fossil fuels come from fossils, why have scientists found them on one of Saturn’s moons
Essentially a frozen, lifeless moon with no dinosaurs, forests or peat bogs, somehow has lakes of methane. Not only does Titan have liquid seas of hydrocarbon fuel — but we’ve known this for years. In fact even in 2005 a NASA scientist quietly admitted that Titan had methane that wasn’t made from fossils. But where was NASA in the 18 years since?
Soon explains that Titan proves that abiotic oil and gas formation is true. In 2009 an experiment showed that when methane is put under great pressure like the kind we find 50-100 miles underground, it can form more complex hydrocarbons. (Kolesnikov). Several papers in the last dozen years find more exotic kinds of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons all over the place, like in Titan’s atmosphere and even forming in deep cold interstellar space. (Zhao, Parker, Freissinet) They also found benzene on Mars.


Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find
Together with two research colleagues, Vladimir Kutcherov has simulated the process involving pressure and heat that occurs naturally in the inner layers of the earth, the process that generates hydrocarbon, the primary component in oil and natural gas.

According to Vladimir Kutcherov, the findings are a clear indication that the oil supply is not about to end, which researchers and experts in the field have long feared.
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html

Yes by all means run right out and buy that planet killing EV to save the planet : "The science" tells we have "peak oil" any day now, but you can make a difference if you only plug your car into the grid. a grid powered by 80% fossil fuel.

I want to go on record that for me personally I did not learn of Abiotic oil creation from some right-wing anti-climate-change or anti-EV website.

In 2016 when I was working on a project where we had comms infrastructure on oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico (GOMEX). In short GOMEX oil platforms move from oil reserves to oil reserves as the oil is depleted. The oil fields a divided into "blocks". One rig in Green Banks was being decommissioned, which required us to relocate our equipment to a new platform. As one would expect, the process takes several years of planning for both the oil company and my company to implement a new location. For this particular oil platform, about 20 months into the relocation process, the platform was un-decommissioned. The Green Banks block began producing oil again.

Being the curious lad that I am, I investigated how it could be possible for an oil field to dry up then again produce oil. My research led me to learn of Abiotic oil creation theory (which dates back to the late 1800's in Russia). More curious it is a theory I did not learn about in the several courses I've taken in geology (or perhaps it had slipped from my aged brain).

But one will discover Wikipedia basically states the theory has been debunked (of course)...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Another I-Pace bites the dust and taking with it probably a hybrid SUV, they'll have to catch the bus for a while
Why did he park the EV in the garage?

1- Naive
2- Negligence
3- But....

I can see snow in the video...
So , probably the owner wanted to avoid the well known EV battery problems with the cold night temps.
As we can see , the I-Pace was too hot now !

But it could have been much worse , if the owner was not at home

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But one will discover Wikipedia basically states the theory has been debunked (of course)...

And they will call this junk science while lakes of hydrocarbons are proven on moons and planets that have never seen a SUV or dinosaur. It's all about the science.

If anyone is interested this is a fascinating interview with a common sense scientist Dr. Willie Soon. Not short but if you like to hear scientific theory that makes sense and makes you think about the ramifications of our actions this is a good watch.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...n-emissions%2F

Dr. Willie Soon
Dr. Willie Soon is an astrophysicist and a geoscientist based in Salem, Massachusetts, USA.
Academic Qualifications
1991 Ph.D., University of Southern California, Aerospace Engineering (with distinction) Dissertation Topic: Nonequilibrium Kinetics in High-Temperature Gases.
1987 M.Sc., University of Southern California, Aerospace Engineering.
1985 B.Sc., University of Southern California, Aerospace Engineering (Cum Laude).

Experience
2021-present: Visiting scientist at the Institute of Earth Physics and Space Science, Sopron, Hungary
2018-present: Center for Environmental Research and Earth Sciences. CERES-science.com
1997-2022: Astrophysicist at the Solar, Stellar and Planetary Sciences Division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA). Staff page
2018: Senior Visiting Professor at the Institute of Earth Environment, Xian, China (from June 15-July 2, 2018.)
2013-2014: Senior Visiting Fellow (Grant No. MELRS1219) at the State Key Laboratory of Marine Environmental Science at Xiamen University, China
1992-2009: Astronomer at the Mount Wilson Observatory
1999-2000: Visiting Professor at the Faculty of Science and Environmental Studies of the Universiti of Putra, Serdang, Selangor, Malaysia.
1991-1996: Post-doctoral Scientist at the Solar and Stellar Physics Division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA)

Editorial boards
2022-present: Review Editor on the Editorial Board of Quaternary Science, Geomorphology and Paleoenvironment (specialty section of Frontiers in Earth Science and Frontiers in Marine Science)
2020-present: Editorial Board Member for Geoscience (MDPI).
2002-2016: Receiving Editor for New Astronomy (Elsevier).

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

1- Naive
2- Negligence
3- But....

I can see snow in the video...
So , probably the owner wanted to avoid the well known EV battery problems with the cold night temps.
As we can see , the I-Pace was too hot now !

But it could have been much worse , if the owner was not at home

I'd rather see a too cold eV battery than a fiery smoked home, all that smoke and soot making the house uninhabitable until it's defumigated. Another example of failed 'net zero' attempt following gubments advice

[Car-Addicted]

Build Back Better: China Becomes World’s Top Exporter of Cars
11 Jan 2024
According to the China Passenger Car Association, China is now the world’s largest exporter of cars thanks to a massive 62 percent jump in light-vehicle exports in 2023, Automotive News reports.
In total, China’s vehicle exports hit nearly 5.3 million last year at a value of $102 billion. Japan, meanwhile, saw its vehicle exports come in at 4.3 million in 2023.
China’s domination of car exporting comes as the Chinese automaker BYD, financially backed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), is now the world’s biggest seller of Electric Vehicles (EVs) after overtaking U.S.-based Tesla for the title.
In the coming year, BYD and other Chinese automakers are hoping to flood the U.S. market with cheap, subsidized EVs to sell to Americans who are turned off by Tesla EVs and their high prices.

Again, I find myself saying "What could possibly go Wrong"

[Car-Addicted]

Fleet of Electric Buses Suspended in London After Sudden Fire in Wimbledon
13 Jan 2024
On Thursday, an electric bus caught on fire on Wimbledon Hill Road in London. While no injuries were reported and investigations into the cause of the fire are still ongoing, the office of London Mayor Sadiq Khan — a chief proponent of the green agenda in Britain — announced the suspension of the same model of electric busses from the route.
In addition, the Mayor’s office said that all electric busses active in London produced by the firm Switch “will be checked thoroughly as a matter of urgency,” the Evening Standard reports.

I'm sure that will buff right out

Transport for London claims to currently have “more than 1,000 zero-emission buses operate in our fleet — both single and double-deck vehicles, built by various manufacturers in the UK and globally.”

Far-left Mayor Sadiq Khan has put forward plans to transform the city’s entire fleet of buses to “zero emissions” by the year 2034, meaning that around 8,000 buses will need to be switched out over the next decade.

We have a large supply of stupid these days, but almost nothing is more stupid than electrical heavy vehicles, Bus's, Trailer trucks, Cement mixer's, etc. Just down right stupid and down right dangerous.