[spurcap]

Originally Posted by Teto

They can't do this, because they have to inspect the car when it arrives at the dealership. If the car has suffered any damage during transport and you carry out any formalities beforehand, the dealership assumes the blame.

You are right but the timing of title transfer doesn't prevent them from doing a purchase sale agreement in advance. Many many commercial transactions have SPAs executed well in advance of the point goods are delivered and the seller assumes risk up to this point. Two parties can agree to buy/sell, fix pricing, determine timing of payment, other terms and conditions whenever they want.

The fact of whether they want to or not is a different story.

[spurcap]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

The dealership has not taken delivery and purchased the car. Until the car is offloaded the dealer doesn't actually own the car.

BMW AG -> BMW USA -> Local Dealer -> Finally customer buys and car get title.

There is no car, until there is one at the dealer.

You are right but this isn't a technical barrier to a contract if both sides wanted to.

I could enter a legally binding contract with you to sell you a 2027 M3 by June 2028 for a fixed price today even though the car hasn't even been envisioned yet. We could set the price at a fixed amount, make it variable based on OEM MSRP or make it based on the market price of mangos. The fact that I might not ever get a car to sell, the fact that BMW might not make a car or the fact that pricing might make me loose a ton of money doesnt prevent us from contracting... but smart businesses (and individuals) don't sign contracts that could expose them to risk/damages - e.g. for breach due to circumstances not within their control where the contract terms don't give them an out.

In a business/individual person transaction there are also risks to the business that don't exist with contracts between solvent businesses. Large corporations don't generally enjoy suing random guys for breach of contract... the optics are bad and getting paid damages is hard too. Whereas if the contract favors the individual they will likely be forced to live up to it.

If you sign an agreement the devil is in the details though. And the details normally help the OEM get out more than you... because their lawyers write and review them.

[Viffermike]

For those of you who are wondering why your cars haven't moved anywhere in the past couple of weeks or so (including mine), this is a probable factor:

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2165655


Service Action/SIB, dated 2/6/25, for a DME software update, affecting G8x and F9x vehicles, including the G87 M2. Thread above is in the M3/4 forum. It's being passed off as 'optional' by BMW AG, but the more digging folks have done into it (and the more types of actions that dealers have been taking with implementing it on both owned cars and cars in delivery), the more changes are being revealed within the update.

[nightfire]

Originally Posted by Viffermike

For those of you who are wondering why your cars haven't moved anywhere in the past couple of weeks or so (including mine), this is a probable factor:

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2165655


Service Action/SIB, dated 2/6/25, for a DME software update, affecting G8x and F9x vehicles, including the G87 M2. Thread above is in the M3/4 forum. It's being passed off as 'optional' by BMW AG, but the more digging folks have done into it (and the more types of actions that dealers have been taking with implementing it on both owned cars and cars in delivery), the more changes are being revealed within the update.

Thanks for the info. Hope they can get this done ASAP. No fun having a car stuck at Step 10 for weeks.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by spurcap

You are right but this isn't a technical barrier to a contract if both sides wanted to.

I could enter a legally binding contract with you to sell you a 2027 M3 by June 2028 for a fixed price today even though the car hasn't even been envisioned yet. We could set the price at a fixed amount, make it variable based on OEM MSRP or make it based on the market price of mangos. The fact that I might not ever get a car to sell, the fact that BMW might not make a car or the fact that pricing might make me loose a ton of money doesnt prevent us from contracting... but smart businesses (and individuals) don't sign contracts that could expose them to risk/damages - e.g. for breach due to circumstances not within their control where the contract terms don't give them an out.

In a business/individual person transaction there are also risks to the business that don't exist with contracts between solvent businesses. Large corporations don't generally enjoy suing random guys for breach of contract... the optics are bad and getting paid damages is hard too. Whereas if the contract favors the individual they will likely be forced to live up to it.

If you sign an agreement the devil is in the details though. And the details normally help the OEM get out more than you... because their lawyers write and review them.

In more than 25 states delears are barred from entering into binding agreements at all.

Here in California, you don't actually own a car until you drive it off the lot.

[spurcap]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

In more than 25 states delears are barred from entering into binding agreements at all.

Here in California, you don't actually own a car until you drive it off the lot.

That's a new fact that I didn't know. thanks.

In any normal agreement. even with a normal binding agreement you wouldn't own a car until you accepted delivery. That would be the customary point of title transfer... otherwise you would need to buy insurance while the car is still at the factory! The point would be that backing out by any party would be potentially subject to damages.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by spurcap

That's a new fact that I didn't know. thanks.

In any normal agreement. even with a normal binding agreement you wouldn't own a car until you accepted delivery. That would be the customary point of title transfer... otherwise you would need to buy insurance while the car is still at the factory! The point would be that backing out by any party would be potentially subject to damages.

I found out the nuances of auto contracts while waiting for two EVs when the $7500 credit shifted to only domestic. That was unless you had a binding contract in place.

[Mike Honcho]

Car just arrived at the dealer. Have to wait 2 weeks to pick it up since I'm away but couldn't be more excited

[yash27]

I did the F12 trick today after seeing that my car was in Quality Control and I noticed the production date changed from 2/24/25 to 2/25/25.

Here is my current timeline:

Deposit and Allocation (111): August 24th 2024
Scheduled for production (112): January 30th 2025
Production Begins (150): February 11th 2025
Exterior Body Assembly Begins (151): February 22nd 2025
In the Paint Booth (152): February 22nd 2025
Entering Assembly Line (153): February 22nd 2025
Assembly in Progress: February 24th 2025
Quality Control: February 24th 2025

Hoping to get right on the next boat to the east coast

[curtdragon]

Anyone looking for a TP 6 speed allocation?

[Driium]

My TP order had been at Step 10 (Ready for Transport) for about two or three weeks. This morning I checked and its jumped to step 14 ( In Transit ) All that's left is for it to show up at the dealer! Original order was placed back in July, its almost time!

[ourlee]

Originally Posted by rons e92

Final timeline:

I’ve read this entire thread the past few days and your graph is the best. Cheers!
Rick at 150
My timeline:
Deposit end of November, asked them to wait until the new year so I could pay off my new roof ($30k)
Met with the GM 2/14, he traded for an allocation/order number 2/17
2/21 VIN and start production
3/2 estimated production complete
3/6 production complete
3/7 finalizing last bits (my garage)
3/7 ready for transport (genius)
Skyscraper with port HAS and ducts in Baltimore
PUMPED!

[yash27]

Forgot to update my timeline on here after final assembly. Here is my current timeline:

Deposit and Allocation (111): August 24th 2024
Scheduled for production (112): January 30th 2025
Production Begins (150): February 11th 2025
Exterior Body Assembly Begins (151): February 22nd 2025
In the Paint Booth (152): February 22nd 2025
Entering Assembly Line (153): February 22nd 2025
Assembly in Progress: February 24th 2025
Quality Control: February 24th 2025
Final Assembly: February 25th 2025

[qInvictus]

I'm just barely ahead of you Yash. As much as I told myself I wasn't going to obsess over the tracker, well...here we are . Have you received any delivery estimates or carrier information from Genius/SA? I was foolishly optimistic that mine would arrive stateside before "global economic conditions changed"...I suspect I'll have a battle over price with the sales department soon.

Order Received 111 1/5/2025
Scheduled for Production 112 1/28/2025
Production Begins 150 2/7/2025
Exterior Body assembly begins 151 2/19/2025
In the paint booth 152 2/19/2025
Entering Assembly Line 153 2/19/2025
Assembly in Progress 154 2/19/2025
Quality Check 155 2/20/2025
Final Assembly 160 2/20/2025
Ready for Transport 165 2/22/2025 (still pending)

[yash27]

Originally Posted by qInvictus

I'm just barely ahead of you Yash. As much as I told myself I wasn't going to obsess over the tracker, well...here we are . Have you received any delivery estimates or carrier information from Genius/SA? I was foolishly optimistic that mine would arrive stateside before "global economic conditions changed"...I suspect I'll have a battle over price with the sales department soon.

Order Received 111 1/5/2025
Scheduled for Production 112 1/28/2025
Production Begins 150 2/7/2025
Exterior Body assembly begins 151 2/19/2025
In the paint booth 152 2/19/2025
Entering Assembly Line 153 2/19/2025
Assembly in Progress 154 2/19/2025
Quality Check 155 2/20/2025
Final Assembly 160 2/20/2025
Ready for Transport 165 2/22/2025 (still pending)

I'm still at final assembly after about a week. I actually called Genius today and they confirmed that I'm still on the factory parking lot, not the port. I don't have any info on the boat I'll be on. In fact, Genius told me they have 0 info on the boat until the car is on the boat and it sets sail.

[M2M3M3]

Originally Posted by yash27

I'm still at final assembly after about a week. I actually called Genius today and they confirmed that I'm still on the factory parking lot, not the port. I don't have any info on the boat I'll be on. In fact, Genius told me they have 0 info on the boat until the car is on the boat and it sets sail.

i was in "final assembly" for two weeks. then "ready for transport" for three weeks. only in last week did the car move to the port.

genius was useless. no more info than i got out of the app or website. after the five weeks of nothing, my CA had the dealership GM work his contacts with BMW to find the car at the port and what ship it was getting on.

depending on what port it is coming into, the shipping schedule is the driver. it will sit in the factory lot until the correct ship is close to the MX port. only then will it be sent by train to the MX port of departure. the ships to a US port can be a month apart.

[yash27]

Originally Posted by M2M3M3

i was in "final assembly" for two weeks. then "ready for transport" for three weeks. only in last week did the car move to the port.

genius was useless. no more info than i got out of the app or website. after the five weeks of nothing, my CA had the dealership GM work his contacts with BMW to find the car at the port and what ship it was getting on.

depending on what port it is coming into, the shipping schedule is the driver. it will sit in the factory lot until the correct ship is close to the MX port. only then will it be sent by train to the MX port of departure. the ships to a US port can be a month apart.

Unfortunate. However I am tracking quite a few vehicle carrier vessels going to Altamira and Veracruz in the next week or so. How many days before “in transit” was your car “at the port”?

[M2M3M3]

Originally Posted by yash27

Unfortunate. However I am tracking quite a few vehicle carrier vessels going to Altamira and Veracruz in the next week or so. How many days before “in transit” was your car “at the port”?

have not seen "in transit" yet. might have been at the port for three days. the ship it was destined for departed Altamira this morning. (headed for Veracruz to pick up more cars apparently) from what I understand, the lame app doesn't update for a few days.

it is good the cars don't sit in the port long. the parking lot is literally right on the beach catching all the salty breezes off the gulf of mexico.

[qInvictus]

Good point on the holding location, that makes sense to keep them at the factory.

It must have known -- just moved to In Transit this morning. I'd already sent an inquiry to Genius yesterday to see if it might've been on a boat without updating, so hopefully I'll hear back today to know which one it's on. Either of you see an updated status as well?

[M2M3M3]

Originally Posted by qInvictus

Good point on the holding location, that makes sense to keep them at the factory.

It must have known -- just moved to In Transit this morning. I'd already sent an inquiry to Genius yesterday to see if it might've been on a boat without updating, so hopefully I'll hear back today to know which one it's on. Either of you see an updated status as well?

yes. went to in transit today. on ship Grand Mercury. left Altimira yesterday, in Veracruz today.

[F87inJAX]

Originally Posted by M2M3M3

yes. went to in transit today. on ship Grand Mercury. left Altimira yesterday, in Veracruz today.

Man I hope this tariff stuff resolves and goes away or something happens before your car gets to port and hits customs. You’ve already gotten screwed waiting in the factory parking lot forever. You definitely don’t deserve getting screwed with tariffs on top of that.

[Razor2010]

Originally Posted by Razor2010

Well, I was just informed that I am being switched back to March production which will now be MY25

Moved to 112

If production kicks-off mid-march, I am hoping for a mid-June delivery. We shall see.

Also, if you guys knew what the M2's cost in the Caribbean due to tariffs / import duty, etc. you would have a stroke. LOL.