[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by fzr100098

The S2000 was good

Fact Checked by a Real American Patriot: TRUE!

[minn19]

Originally Posted by fzr100098

The S2000 was good

Originally Posted by two_three_two

Fact Checked by a Real American Patriot: TRUE!

Since I possibly pissed off others in another thread, I might as well keep it going. Aside from the shifter feeling and of course how light it was, I never got into the S2000 hype. I just never felt that VTEC yo like others.

I will say the ITS I test drove did feel powerful enough to be fun. If the S2000 had that power level without mods, it would’ve been a riot.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by minn19

Since I possibly pissed off others in another thread, I might as well keep it going. Aside from the shifter feeling and of course how light it was, I never got into the S2000 hype. I just never felt that VTEC yo like others.

I will say the ITS I test drove did feel powerful enough to be fun. If the S2000 had that power level without mods, it would’ve been a riot.

to be fair, he said the S2K is "good", which is probably the least hot take of all time.

i dont really fit in them, but the shifter is the star of the show to me. in terms of on road dynamics (and fit) i prefer miatas and (most) Z cars.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

to be fair, he said the S2K is "good", which is probably the least hot take of all time.

i dont really fit in them, but the shifter is the star of the show to me. in terms of on road dynamics (and fit) i prefer miatas and (most) Z cars.

Funny, I was a huge 300ZX fan, unfortunately couldn’t afford the TT at the time.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by minn19

Funny, I was a huge 300ZX fan, unfortunately couldn’t afford the TT at the time.

i've got a non turbo right now. just a joy to drive and own.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

to be fair, he said the S2K is "good", which is probably the least hot take of all time.

Lol, beat me to it, was gonna say exactly the same thing. I'd say it is one of the great roadsters of this century. I mean, that's a small pool of competitors, sadly, but it is what it is.

[fzr100098]

To clarify - "good" in terms of shifter feel/engagement (on topic)

[OneTwo3]

Originally Posted by Squidget

I would be EXTREMELY surprised if there's any changes to the MT during the G87 lifecycle. Wouldn't make any sense, the MT is barely worth making at all (business-wise), there's no way they are investing R&D into it. Very IMO of course.

So until I hear otherwise, I'm assuming that it's the same and always will be until it's gone for good.

Edit: FWIW, If I had to reach, I guess it is plausible that the changes for the Supra/Z4 gets backported into the G87, I guess? Still seems unlikely, but possible?

What about the improved manual they put in the 2025 Z4? Sounds like they made improvements to that

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by OneTwo3

What about the improved manual they put in the 2025 Z4? Sounds like they made improvements to that

I noted that possibility, yes. But the only honest answer is that no one knows BMW's plans.

[chris719]

I have not driven G87 manual yet, but I just bought a used 2006 Z4M. After changing the fluid, which was horrible looking and smelling (17 years unchanged?), it shifts great. It's way better than my F87 competition; you can actually shift it fast and it's already less rubbery without aftermarket SSK.

[GaoKS]

Originally Posted by x622

I would love if you guys who like the manual in the G87 would drive my car. Maybe I just got a shit one.

I'm in this camp. This manual is the reason I'm ordering another G80x.

IMO - Engagement point is awkward, 1st to second (mainly) and 2nd to 3rd can be jerky unless shifted very very slowly and early - not sure if this experience is just me.

Vast majority of my manual experience has been with Hondas. Maybe I'm spoiled. They were all much better.

[MMMGuy60]

There is nothing wrong with the G87 manual transmission. 1st to 2nd, you need to slip it like 1st gear to make it smooth and accelerate fast. I came from these manual (12 Mustang GT, 14 Miata Club, 17 Wrx, 19 C7 Corvette) and I would put the G87 near the top of the list. G87 is so easy to shift, I have not missed as shift or stalled the car since I got it 1.5 years ago.

They are all good shifters. 12Gt and Wrx are my least favorite but they are still good to me.

[Potato Head]

I’ve had s2000, 1st gen nsx, nd miata and my last car was a gt350. All had great shifters, but feel they’ve been overhyped. Although snickety-great, I felt Honda’s gears to feel fragile and brittle.

I really don’t mind the M2’s shifter. Granted this is my first BMW and have no idea whether they changed anything shifter wise for the lci ‘25. Then again, I really liked my mk6 gti shifter, so maybe I’m just a “boxed wine” kinda guy

[blinkme323]

Nothing from Germany short of Porsche will even remotely touch the CTR in regards to the 6MT. BMW is trying to phase out the manual, so there is zero incentive for them to improve it / waste any R&D money on it.

[Dave07997S]

There is nothing wrong with the manual in this car. It feels the same as any manual transmission of any BMW made. I have owned 2 46M3s, 2 E92 M3s all of these I have owned when they were new. I found the manual in the G87 actually better than the previous BMWs I owned. Once you get used it, I find them completely intuitive. I have also owned a Porsche 911S and even the Mustang had a better shifter in it. However, it gets the job done and I would still rather have the manual than the auto.