[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by shaneguags

I feel like the only upside is the interior and engine, but I personally wouldn't wanna sacrifice the exterior and chasis of the current gen

S58, new trans, hugely upgraded interior (especially carbon buckets), carbon roof, etc. will make it hugely worth it in my opinion. After driving a few S58 cars I was pretty blown away by the motor alone. Thing is a beast.

I was able to put $1000 down at my dealer to confirm my spot as their #2 allocation once they're announced formally.

[shaneguags]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

S58, new trans, hugely upgraded interior (especially carbon buckets), carbon roof, etc. will make it hugely worth it in my opinion. After driving a few S58 cars I was pretty blown away by the motor alone. Thing is a beast.

I was able to put $1000 down at my dealer to confirm my spot as their #2 allocation once they're announced formally.

many prefer the DCT over the ZF though so I wouldn't consider the new trans as necessarily better. the S58 definitely shows easy potential power but doesn't sound as good. I'm sure it'll grow on me eventually with mods but I doubt I'd want to drop $60k on the new one

[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by shaneguags

many prefer the DCT over the ZF though so I wouldn't consider the new trans as necessarily better. the S58 definitely shows easy potential power but doesn't sound as good. I'm sure it'll grow on me eventually with mods but I doubt I'd want to drop $60k on the new one

S58 sounds great, much better than the S55 imo.
S55 is widely regarded as the worst sounding engine in an M car, even across owners.

[shaneguags]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

S58 sounds great, much better than the S55 imo.
S55 is widely regarded as the worst sounding engine in an M car, even across owners.

yea it's a tad better, still kinda raspy in my opinion. I much prefer the OG M2 N55 and then the B58. it's just a shame the N55 lacks so much power do to fueling limitations. I have an N55 OG M2 running a Speedtech turbo kit and getting intake manifold port injection with flex fuel next week so I have the best of both worlds ! that's mainly why I don't see a need to upgrade to the new G87

[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by shaneguags

yea it's a tad better, still kinda raspy in my opinion. I much prefer the OG M2 N55 and then the B58. it's just a shame the N55 lacks so much power do to fueling limitations. I have an N55 OG M2 running a Speedtech turbo kit and getting intake manifold port injection with flex fuel next week so I have the best of both worlds ! that's mainly why I don't see a need to upgrade to the new G87

For sure the N55 sounds the best. But it's unfortunate a fully modded N55 is still barely as fast as a stock S55. S58 blows them both out of the water, and simple tune and dp and you're around 700hp

[shaneguags]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

For sure the N55 sounds the best. But it's unfortunate a fully modded N55 is still barely as fast as a stock S55. S58 blows them both out of the water, and simple tune and dp and you're around 700hp

hey man, I'm on the mission for 650whp next week ! that's more than enough for me haha

[akkando]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

S58, new trans, hugely upgraded interior (especially carbon buckets), carbon roof, etc. will make it hugely worth it in my opinion. After driving a few S58 cars I was pretty blown away by the motor alone. Thing is a beast.

I was able to put $1000 down at my dealer to confirm my spot as their #2 allocation once they're announced formally.

You're not getting the motor in the m3 state of tune. It's likely going to be less power with the top chopped off so makes no additional power after 5k rpm. So you may end up with laggy turbos without the benefit of the top end you see on the m3, unless you get the m2cs.

[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by akkando

You're not getting the motor in the m3 state of tune. It's likely going to be less power with the top chopped off so makes no additional power after 5k rpm. So you may end up with laggy turbos without the benefit of the top end you see on the m3, unless you get the m2cs.

I could care less about the factory tune, I'll be changing it anyway

[swampfox94]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

it's going to depend on options. It's already been confirmed the G87 can come with the carbon buckets and carbon roof, so I imagine with those options the comp model will be around $70k. Can't see the base model starting for any more than low 60's.

I don't think so. Considering the M2C came 'fully loaded' for $58,995, there is no way a decently optioned G87 is going to be "well over $70k". I also don't even think you were able to add $10k of options to an OG M2. I think you just overpaid

BMW is aware of where the M2 fits into the lineup, and won't make it more than a G80 M3/M4.

since release of the f87 comp in 2018 we've seen 15% increase in inflation. Even if they add 10% to the price that gets us to ~65k after a few options 70k is very possible

[skiparock]

Lotus emira vs g87, looking forward to how these will compare in manual as price will likely be within 5k of each other

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by skiparock

Lotus emira vs g87, looking forward to how these will compare in manual as price will likely be within 5k of each other

IMO the Emira will not really touch the performance of the M2

The Emira is definitely a looker without question

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

it's going to depend on options. It's already been confirmed the G87 can come with the carbon buckets and carbon roof, so I imagine with those options the comp model will be around $70k. Can't see the base model starting for any more than low 60's.



I don't think so. Considering the M2C came 'fully loaded' for $58,995, there is no way a decently optioned G87 is going to be "well over $70k". I also don't even think you were able to add $10k of options to an OG M2. I think you just overpaid

BMW is aware of where the M2 fits into the lineup, and won't make it more than a G80 M3/M4.

It wasn’t really fully loaded at 59k though. No executive package, black or white paint, no sunroof and if you wanted a dct, it was like 3.5k or something. Most weren’t $70k, but almost everyone ordered paint and the executive package which is like $2k right there. Take inflation into account and I can’t really imagine it being much less than 65k. That would technically be a price cut, as $60k in 2019 dollars equals around $68k now.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

it's going to depend on options. It's already been confirmed the G87 can come with the carbon buckets and carbon roof, so I imagine with those options the comp model will be around $70k. Can't see the base model starting for any more than low 60's.



I don't think so. Considering the M2C came 'fully loaded' for $58,995, there is no way a decently optioned G87 is going to be "well over $70k". I also don't even think you were able to add $10k of options to an OG M2. I think you just overpaid

BMW is aware of where the M2 fits into the lineup, and won't make it more than a G80 M3/M4.

Where did your math come from considering the starting price on a manual M2c was $59k... mine was $64.5 with DCT, exec and HS paint... Most of these cars will be in the low 70s... almost sure of it... and of course we can expect markups for a year... unless the economy crash and unemployment goes up.

[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Where did your math come from considering the starting price on a manual M2c was $59k... mine was $64.5 with DCT, exec and HS paint... Most of these cars will be in the low 70s... almost sure of it... and of course we can expect markups for a year... unless the economy crash and unemployment goes up.

Huh? MSRP of a 19-21 M2C was $59,895.
Only package you can even get is executive, plus paint, sure maybe $61-62k 'fully loaded' for a 6MT. There are no other options really to get as everything that was a premium in other 2-series came standard in the M2C.

I think they probably save the carbon roof for a g87 comp later on, maybe then we pass well into the 70's

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I don't have my car anymore, I unfortunately lost it this summer in an accident..

I'm willing to throw down like $10,000 deposit but that would basically cover the taxes, at 8.65%.

Borrowing money now is cheap, I see some folks bragging about .9% APR but even at that, you are still looking at $1,200 or so payment, when you break down math at a 65k loan.

That's almost the cost of my mortgage, I may as well buy another house, at that kind of expense, instead of a depreciating asset.

So sorry to hear about this. I was wondering where you were for a bit, and then you suddenly reappeared. Glad to know you are ok. My daughter was in an accident recently that totaled my F10, while she walked away. Sure enough I went back to a BMW for a replacement. I'm sure you'll be back in one in no time. Too much institutional knowledge up there not to

[Steelguin]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I don't have my car anymore, I unfortunately lost it this summer in an accident..

I'm willing to throw down like $10,000 deposit but that would basically cover the taxes, at 8.65%.

Borrowing money now is cheap, I see some folks bragging about .9% APR but even at that, you are still looking at $1,200 or so payment, when you break down math at a 65k loan.

That's almost the cost of my mortgage, I may as well buy another house, at that kind of expense, instead of a depreciating asset.

Where are you buying a house in the NYC area that costs 1200 a month?
I will buy 2 as investment.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Steelguin

Where are you buying a house in the NYC area that costs 1200 a month?
I will buy 2 as investment.

I would like that also but I don't have a time machine to go back 16 years ago when this was actually possible..

[Dasnub]

There is no way the G87 starts below $65k in the current inflationary environment. If you’re hoping for that you’re going to be as disappointed as Nissan Z fans hoping for a $35k starting price.

[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by Dasnub

There is no way the G87 starts below $65k in the current inflationary environment. If you’re hoping for that you’re going to be as disappointed as Nissan Z fans hoping for a $35k starting price.

I don't think anyone hoping for $35k was that disappointed by a $39k actual starting

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Dasnub

There is no way the G87 starts below $65k in the current inflationary environment. If you're hoping for that you're going to be as disappointed as Nissan Z fans hoping for a $35k starting price.

Nissan is almost bankrupt
I wouldn't take that Z for free

I think it will be slight less w/a 6 speed

[M Fifty]

Online configurators are great. You can build pretty much any spec you want (unless it's a Mercedes - in which case you need a trained and experienced member of staff to figure out what all the permutations are...), and hence come up with pretty much any price.

For example, I once had a go with the Range Rover Evoque Configurator and came up with a spec that was available to order and cost 3 times the basic price...

[eeyang92]

Originally Posted by skiparock

Lotus emira vs g87, looking forward to how these will compare in manual as price will likely be within 5k of each other

One thought that came to mind is - how is the aftermarket support for lotus? I've been spoiled with choice when it comes to all the different tuning/performance/wheel/etc. companies for BMW (especially the M2). I'm guessing once the ECU for the new cars is cracked, the G87 will make monster power.

But stock for stock... the Emira is an extremely tempting choice.