[MmmmmM2]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Expect for a few idiots complaining about the "fangs" on the front bumper, I know for a fact that no one had to wait and see or play any of this mental gymnastics in order to convince themselves on how the F87 might of really looked IRL - it was love at first sight the first day the model base and even Competition was leaked, regardless of the angle of the photos.

This simple fact doesn't bode well for the G87's aesthetics, regardless of how you slice it or how much you have to squint your eyes to possible make it appear more palatable.

Yeah, I realized this the other day.

I'm actually not that put off by the G87 leaked pictures. And I'm sure the final product that is released October 11th will look much better than the leaked shots.

But that's the problem. The fact that at first glance it's "not that bad" is not a good statement at all.

I remember seeing my F87 on the showroom floor and knew I had to buy it. There was nothing in my mind that said, "This doesn't look that bad".

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Expect for a few idiots complaining about the "fangs" on the front bumper, I know for a fact that no one had to wait and see or play any of this mental gymnastics in order to convince themselves on how the F87 might of really looked IRL - it was love at first sight from day one the base model and even Competition was leaked, regardless of the angle of the photos.

This simple fact doesn't bode well for the G87's aesthetics, regardless of how you slice it or how much you have to squint your eyes to possible make it appear more palatable.

Do you have a link to the first OG F87 leaks that made everyone fall head over heals? I'm having a hard time finding anything on mobile and wasn't around for it.

Edit: this thread or something different?

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1183571

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by AlpineBoost

Do you have a link to the first OG F87 leaks that made everyone fall head over heals? I'm having a hard time finding anything on mobile and wasn't around for it.

Edit: this thread or something different?

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1183571

Sure.

There where couple of random threads scattered here and there and some in-depth discussions on Reddit but all in all, the general consensus was mostly positive for the initial F87 and every iteration there after.

It was truly the best bang for your buck you could get at that time, being that an bonafide M car started at 52K, which thankfully also looked the part. Win win all around..



M2 leaked! Photos and specs! https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1183571

LEAK: M2 Competition pictures https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1484091

M2 CS dealer bulletin!! (Details confirmed by ynguldyn) https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1614985

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Expect for a few idiots complaining about the "fangs" on the front bumper, I know for a fact that no one had to wait and see or play any of this mental gymnastics in order to convince themselves on how the F87 might of really looked IRL - it was love at first sight from day one the base model and even Competition was leaked, regardless of the angle of the photos.

This simple fact doesn't bode well for the G87's aesthetics, regardless of how you slice it or how much you have to squint your eyes to possible make it appear more palatable.

Sounds like you've completely written off the G87 even before the official reveal. To each their own. I'm curious however, what are you looking to get now, a MT Supra? Any other cars that's you're considering?

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Sure.

There where couple of random threads scattered here and there and some in-depth discussions on Reddit but all in all, the general consensus was mostly positive for the initial F87 and every iteration there after.

It was truly best bang for your buck you could get at that time, being that an bonafide M car started at 52K, that also looked the part. Win win all around..



M2 leaked! Photos and specs! https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1183571

LEAK: M2 Competition pictures https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1484091

M2 CS dealer bulletin!! (Details confirmed by ynguldyn) https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1614985

Appreciate it. I was just trying to see what the very first pics of the OG looked like without camo. Seems to be the pro shots from Auto Express.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Tag

G87 M Performance fender.

G87 M2 prototype featuring M Performance Parts:



2023 BMW Z4 M40i - excerpts from pictures released today (see here and here).

[atl_1M]

Originally Posted by Artemis

2023 BMW Z4 M40i - excerpts from pictures released today (see here and here).

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Are you saying they will offer a completely different fender that will look like the z4? Bc I'm not seeing it. I just see what looks to be three tacked on fins to a regular fender

[Game]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

Yeah, I realized this the other day.

I'm actually not that put off by the G87 leaked pictures. And I'm sure the final product that is released October 11th will look much better than the leaked shots.

But that's the problem. The fact that at first glance it's "not that bad" is not a good statement at all.

I remember seeing my F87 on the showroom floor and knew I had to buy it. There was nothing in my mind that said, "This doesn't look that bad".

So it'd only be fair to judge the G87 on a showroom floor.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Tag

Sounds like you've completely written off the G87 even before the official reveal. To each their own. I'm curious however, what are you looking to get now, a MT Supra? Any other cars that's you're considering?

Not completely written off just yet, it just hurts that I held out for the G87 reveal and it ended up being a vehicle with such questionable aesthetics, that one would have to convince themselves to come to terms with physically, when I know BMW has the potential and resources to make a better effort. It's unacceptable for what they are going to be asking for this vehicle (predicts 65k+), considering the market competition.

For instance, I'm not really a big fan of the Nissan 400Z or Supra's overall design but it checks most of the boxes for me and also hovers around a sweet 50k sticker price, so I could get behind one by balancing the good with the bad.

When BMW is going to be asking 65k+ for the G87, a vehicle where the design language is all over the place and who's body parts are clashing with each other, resulting in distinctively unrecognizable un-BMW combination, it's not really appealing. This vehicle doesn't even look like a M2 or BMW for that matter but more so something you would find in a GTA video game pretending to be a BMW, so they don't infringe on the original manufacturer's model.

I'm currently in holding pattern at the moment and I'm not really sure yet what direction I'm going to for my next vehicle but I know based on the information I'm privy to right now, the G87 will more than likely be a hard pass for me, unless I can obtain one at a deep discount to justify its appearance.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself and diverted from the "positive" subject you were going for. What's your thoughts on what we see so far? No offense, I assume you're one of the members here that feel BMW could do no wrong and everyone else is blowing this out of proportion but some of us are really not trolling, in my heart of hearts, this offering is really offensive and a real downer to our future prospectives.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

Are you saying they will offer a completely different fender that will look like the z4? Bc I'm not seeing it. I just see what looks to be three tacked on fins to a regular fender

We'll find out if a different fender, or fender features, will be made available when BMW M discloses the M Performance Parts for the G87 M2.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Not completely written off just yet, it just hurts that I held out for the G87 reveal and it ended up being a vehicle with such questionable aesthetics, that one would have to convince themselves to come to terms with physically, when I know BMW has the potential and resources to make a better effort. It's unacceptable for what they are going to be asking for this vehicle (predicts 65k+), considering the market competition.

For instance, I'm not really a big fan of the Nissan 400Z or Supra's overall design but it checks most of the boxes for me and also hovers around a sweet 50k sticker price, so I could get behind one by balancing the good with the bad.

When BMW is going to be asking 65k+ for the G87, a vehicle where the design language is all over the place and who's body parts are clashing with each other, resulting in distinctively unrecognizable un-BMW combination, it's not really appealing. This vehicle doesn't even look like a M2 or BMW for that matter but more so something you would find in a GTA video game pretending to be a BMW, so they don't infringe on the original manufacturer's model.

I'm currently in holding pattern at the moment and I'm not really sure yet what direction I'm going to for my next vehicle but I know based on the information I'm privy to right now, the G87 will more than likely be a hard pass for me, unless I can obtain one at a deep discount to justify its appearance.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself and diverted from the "positive" subject you were going for. What's your thoughts on what we see so far? No offense, I assume you're one of the members here that feel BMW could do no wrong and everyone else is blowing this out of proportion but some of us are really not trolling, in my heart of hearts, this offering is really offensive and a real downer to our future prospectives.

Come on, Poochie:

Originally Posted by Artemis

Patience is not the ability to wait, but the ability to keep a good attitude while waiting.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Sure.

There where couple of random threads scattered here and there and some in-depth discussions on Reddit but all in all, the general consensus was mostly positive for the initial F87 and every iteration there after.

It was truly the best bang for your buck you could get at that time, being that an bonafide M car started at 52K, which thankfully also looked the part. Win win all around..

M2 leaked! Photos and specs! https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1183571

LEAK: M2 Competition pictures https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1484091

M2 CS dealer bulletin!! (Details confirmed by ynguldyn) https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1614985

It is hilarious reading through these!

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by murderspice

It is hilarious reading through these!

Why would say that? Seems like typical Bimmerpost banter to me and not on the same level of vitriol as the G87 leaked threads..

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Tag

I'm not in any rush to get the G87. My plan is to hold out until the LCI which is only 2yrs after launch and see what changes, if anything.

Same here:

Originally Posted by Artemis

My 2020 F87 M2C (M-DCT) properly serves the purposes I use the car for. Clocked 50K kms with it so far - a good piece of kit I hope to keep in pristine condition. May change my mind someday, but not feeling the itch, for the time being, to part ways with it in the forseeable future.

Quite likely I will take a closer look at the G87 M2 LCI scheduled to go into production in April 2025 (only two years after first G87 M2 deliveries [April 2023]). Time and life moves on, that's true. But like most who drive an F87 M2C, I won't have any less 'Freude am Fahren' in the meantime.

Genuinely happy for all those getting the G87 M2 in the meantime. It also promises to be a good piece of kit.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Poochie

For instance, I'm not really a big fan of the Nissan 400Z or Supra's overall design but it checks most of the boxes for me and also hovers around a sweet 50k sticker price, so I could get behind one by balancing the good with the bad.

The Performance trim of the Z is just not worth $50k to me. I've followed that car very closely (I'm a mod on one of the Z forums), loved it from the moment it came around the corner in the reveal video, and when I saw it in person I was speechless for the first minute or so. Such a beautiful car. Add in destination, floor mats, and any paint choice other than 3 and you are looking at close to $53k before any dealer BS. Close enough to $50k as you mentioned, but it's just a huge ask for what I assume the driving experience to be having owned both a 350Z and 370Z. I don't have much hope for a Nismo variant either as they could simply mail it in and it'll still carry a MSRP of at least $60k.

I expect any 6MT Supra to go for a premium for the foreseeable future, but regardless I can't get onboard with it due to the exterior styling. Repulsive is probably being a little too kind. The choice is pretty clear since I like everything the G87 is offering so far. I have a deposit in to pick up a GR Corolla as a daily and will wait for the LCI of the G87. May want something else when that time comes but who knows.

Hope you end up finding something that suits you as well.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by AlpineBoost

The Performance trim of the Z is just not worth $50k to me. I've followed that car very closely (I'm a mod on one of the Z forums), loved it from the moment it came around the corner in the reveal video, and when I saw it in person I was speechless for the first minute or so. Such a beautiful car. Add in destination, floor mats, and any paint choice other than 3 and you are looking at close to $53k before any dealer BS. Close enough to $50k as you mentioned, but it's just a huge ask for what I assume the driving experience to be having owned both a 350Z and 370Z. I don't have much hope for a Nismo variant either as they could simply mail it in and it'll still carry a MSRP of at least $60k.

I expect any 6MT Supra to go for a premium for the foreseeable future, but regardless I can't get onboard with it due to the exterior styling. Repulsive is probably being a little too kind. The choice is pretty clear since I like everything the G87 is offering so far. I have a deposit in to pick up a GR Corolla as a daily and will wait for the LCI of the G87. May want something else when that time comes but who knows.

Hope you end up finding something that suits you as well.

I was also following the Z as well and was really disappointed to see that it's setup really soft and floaty. I cannot stand cars like that and to be honest am spoiled with good handling cars. I get in a regular car and have zero confidence, party because of the way I drive and I'm just not use to something so floaty that it feels like I'm going to end up in a ditch, least to me. I'm sure with some suspension mods you can dial it in, but for a sporty car it should be a lot better from factory. Also not a fan of the looks of the Supra. I've seen them plenty of times on the road and never been impressed.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Sure.

There where couple of random threads scattered here and there and some in-depth discussions on Reddit but all in all, the general consensus was mostly positive for the initial F87 and every iteration there after.

It was truly the best bang for your buck you could get at that time, being that an bonafide M car started at 52K, which thankfully also looked the part. Win win all around..



M2 leaked! Photos and specs! https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1183571

LEAK: M2 Competition pictures https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1484091

M2 CS dealer bulletin!! (Details confirmed by ynguldyn) https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1614985

Those aren't exactly leaked pictures

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Those aren't exactly leaked pictures

Oh, I see; you're looking for raw, unadulterated, candid leaked photos of the upcoming vehicle.

Well, they do exist but are buried somewhere deep inside this database but let me save you the suspense; there was no hoodwinking, they looked pretty much identical to eventual production models - as the G87 certainly will.

Here is couple of early leaked, pre-production photos of the F87 M2/CS I found saved in my phone:

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Artemis

We'll find out if a different fender, or fender features, will be made available when BMW M discloses the M Performance Parts for the G87 M2.

I cannot see replacement fenders or even a replacement bumper cover being a viable option for M performance parts. Especially with ongoing supply constraints and a pending global recession. That is my personal opinion. We’ll clearly see soon…

BTW, In my opinion to R&I the M performance exhaust I speculate that the rear diffuser will replaced, not the entire bumper cover.

[W00PS]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Expect for a few idiots complaining about the "fangs" on the front bumper, I know for a fact that no one had to wait and see or play any of this mental gymnastics in order to convince themselves on how the F87 might of really looked IRL - it was love at first sight from day one the base model and even Competition was leaked, regardless of the angle of the photos.

This simple fact doesn't bode well for the G87's aesthetics, regardless of how you slice it or how much you have to squint your eyes to possible make it appear more palatable.

Click the link on this post. Angles matter. The bumper on the f87 in the linked picture appears to bulge out unnaturally - its far more dramatic in that picture than it is in actuality.

The color isn't doing it any favors in the leaked photo either re: lighting. Yes. The rear bumper is bold. But it will not appear quite that bold at a natural angle with outdoor lighting rather than yellowish hues on a light blue car which is adding depth.

Also, let's leave this thread here for some positivity on the new car. Ride the wave for 3 weeks and let's see what BMW has for us on the 12th.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by S4boost

[COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]Also, let's leave this thread here for some positivity on the new car. [/COLOR]Ride the wave for 3 weeks and let's see what BMW has for us on the 12th.

I agree, I said what I had to say and its only good vibes from here on out.. Moving forward.. After this post 😆

I'm not ecstatic about this vehicle and say I would to consider one, it would be when the initial rush subsides and I could possible be in a position to possible snag one at the pre-pandemic discounts of 15%+ - just like the old times, pre-2020. That would help lessen the blow about hand-ups on the aesthetics.

No matter how good your sales pitch is, with a new fairly popular vehicle, the dealer is going use it to their advantage and sell first to the highest bidder. There is no loyalty in this game. Two years in when the supply stabilizes and demand is decreases, more leverage will naturally sway towards the side of the buyer.

I'm certainly not going to lube-up to pay the initial markup for a product I'm not exactly enthused about but it's a nice package overall. The S58 has bottomless pit of torque, with gobs and gobs up high and is truly the shining jewel of this package. She not that attractive but she has a nice personality - kind of ride. Although, I did read the S58 it's a gas guzzler, so you're going to pay the piper to feed the monster.

Adaptive Suspension is standard, so the suspension damping rate and rebound works in tandem with the engine output and/or braking, turning, or any of the pre-programmed "Driver Experience" M controls - which is nice touch and puts this car in similar line of performance with M2 CS - since they now share the same suspension components.

We'll see how the chips fall and I still look forward to the official reveal and hearing owners real world feedback, although I'm not under any illusion of what we are dealing with.

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[bromudez]

Originally Posted by Tag

I don't know if that's true. At first I thought so too, but I'm thinking that to run the MPE you just need a different diffuser, not whole rear bumper. If so then the MP rear bumper will work without the MPE.

Ah yes you are correct. I think I meant to say diffuser there,