[SeanWRT]

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"The new model is expected to be badged either CS or CSL and will follow the G87 M2, to be revealed next month, as a more potent, track-focused version of Munich’s baby performance car. "

1. 473bhp sounds more like competition. The F87 CS engine with 444bhp already matches F82C.

2. "will follow the G87 M2, to be revealed next month". What's that supposed to mean? To be revealed next month together with the G87 M2, or follow it and show at a later date? If it's former, it should be the competition.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

I find it hard to believe that it will be just 26hp above the basic M2. There will be a Competition in the middle , and makes sense to be 473hp , just like the basic M3/4 which come with a stick. Most likely the M2 CS/CSL will be 500/520hp max.

500 or 520 would seem unrealistic (however, not impossible)

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

500 or 520 would seem unrealistic (however, not impossible)

I think it makes sense to guess that the CS/CSL M2 will match the M3/4 Comp power , just like the F87 M2 CS with the F8X M3/4 Competition models. Also , if its less , lets say 473hp , then what would the Competition be .. It wont be as powerful as the M4 CSL for sure , but i think 500-520 would be fair ! lets see !

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

I think it makes sense to guess that the CS/CSL M2 will match the M3/4 Comp power , just like the F87 M2 CS with the F8X M3/4 Competition models. Also , if its less , lets say 473hp , then what would the Competition be .. It wont be as powerful as the M4 CSL for sure , but i think 500-520 would be fair ! lets see !

From you mouth to God's ears my friend 🙏

[ChrisM4]

I can't imagine they wouldn't offer a manual version with 473HP.

I know certain markets aren't getting the manual (I feel for those people) but North America has a really high manual take rate. There is no way I'd trade my '21 M4 manual with 473HP (under rated) for an auto even if it had an extra 100hp.

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

"Power will be sent to the rear wheels through BMW's paddle-shift eight-speed automatic gearbox."

Cue the G82 M4 CSL and F87 M2 CS values going to the moon.

This is very true..
Agree? ptgltw

[trey100]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

The car that retains its value is the "value play". The logic that "oh I only paid 104k for this car instead of 140k but then I spent 15k on tuning that will be near worthless when I sell the 104k car for $60k" is busted logic. Meanwhile the $140k car sells used for $150k.

Not directed at you specifically, just talking in general:

What is with all the focus on resale? I can't understand buying any car and not driving it every single chance I get. The only way these cars are selling for decent money down the line is if they have low miles and sat garaged way longer than they should have. You buy a CSL because the assumption is they drive awesome and are fun. Life is short. I'd be driving that every day and if the concern over depreciation outweighs that, then it's not a good car for me.

[M2Cmtl]

Originally Posted by trey100

Not directed at you specifically, just talking in general:

What is with all the focus on resale? I can't understand buying any car and not driving it every single chance I get. The only way these cars are selling for decent money down the line is if they have low miles and sat garaged way longer than they should have. You buy a CSL because the assumption is they drive awesome and are fun. Life is short. I'd be driving that every day and if the concern over depreciation outweighs that, then it's not a good car for me.

X2. barely drive it and you will sell it for more...but you don't get to drive it much. Anyways M cars have good resale to start with.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by trey100

What is with all the focus on resale? I can't understand buying any car and not driving it every single chance I get. The only way these cars are selling for decent money down the line is if they have low miles and sat garaged way longer than they should have. You buy a CSL because the assumption is they drive awesome and are fun. Life is short. I'd be driving that every day and if the concern over depreciation outweighs that, then it's not a good car for me.

No obsession with resale values. I'm responding to the general idea that "the CSL is overpriced, the better value is to buy a comp car and do a tune and new suspension for it".

It's not debatable, that in a normal market, the latter involves a significant cash outlay as well as high depreciation should you sell. The former, only likely involves a high cash (or financed) outlay. If you are saying "well then don't sell", I can just scan the BP marketplace to see tuned and parted out cars listed at a high loss on any given day. In general, nothing involving cars is a "value" play but limited edition cars are the closest one can get to it.

Whether doing one or the other produces a "better" car is separate debate.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Doesn't matter, it's a more powerful automatic car in the G series generation with a similar drive layout so it will be the more desirable. Why would anyone want a car that's down 67 hp with the same engine and idrive 8?

Less ugly?

[stefan]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

The driving experience of CS/CSL cars can't just be replicated with a tune. Also the M4 CSL doesn't have idrive 8, it has idrive 7.

Of course it can. There's no voodoo or secret ingredient in the CS. You can buy the actual parts themselves and dial it in. You'll never replicate the cache of the CS but that's all you can really say. And I'll echo you will destroy your resale with mods. Presuming you care about that.

As for the power figure in the G87... That's a lot. I struggle to use the S55 power on a regular basis to the point my car isn't seeing redline as often as it probably should. This is my dilemma. The m240i is all I need but they don't make that in a manual anymore. The G87 is really starting to edge into overkill territory like the M3/M4.

The market is about to do a sharp 180. Going to be interesting to see where special editions and overpriced models fit.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by ChrisM4

There is no way I'd trade my '21 M4 manual with 473HP (under rated) for an auto even if it had an extra 100hp.

Very wise!

More hp does not equal more involvement unlike a manual transmission.

[10"]

Originally Posted by trey100

Not directed at you specifically, just talking in general:

What is with all the focus on resale? I can't understand buying any car and not driving it every single chance I get. The only way these cars are selling for decent money down the line is if they have low miles and sat garaged way longer than they should have. You buy a CSL because the assumption is they drive awesome and are fun. Life is short. I'd be driving that every day and if the concern over depreciation outweighs that, then it's not a good car for me.

part of modern car culture, where people flip cars every 2-3 years and constantly chase the "latest and greatest" which IMO is a completely pointless exercise in consumerism.

buy the car you love, drive it for many years, maintain it well, enjoy it, don't sit around staring at what else you could buy.

It's not the stuff that makes us happy—it's how interact with enjoy the stuff in our adventures.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by stefan

As for the power figure in the G87... That's a lot. I struggle to use the S55 power on a regular basis to the point my car isn't seeing redline as often as it probably should. This is my dilemma. The m240i is all I need but they don't make that in a manual anymore. The G87 is really starting to edge into overkill territory like the M3/M4.

Very true. The ONLY place I feel down on power with my OG F87 is the straightaway on a racetrack, where I (of course) get passed fairly easily by 911s, M3/4 Comps and CS's, big AMG sedans, and Corvettes. On public roads, especially twisty ones, I have no problems.

Having said that, an extra 88 hp would be nice!

I'm #3 on my dealer's list, and the G87 is looking better and better every day! Especially because it will have a manual.

[stefan]

Liking what I'm seeing minus the unergonomic and too-trendy interior screen setup and the fact the car is gaining so much weight.

[Bumpinjeep]

MODS: Can we get this off the main page? There really isn't anything of value in the link, it's literally all speculative. Lots of "could," "should," and "may." There *should* be a limited model like a CS or CSL and it *may* have the same power level as the base M4, and it *could* be lighter than the regular car as previous cars with those monikers have been.
There, I summarized the article.

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

Originally Posted by ChrisM4

I can't imagine they wouldn't offer a manual version with 473HP.

I know certain markets aren't getting the manual (I feel for those people) but North America has a really high manual take rate. There is no way I'd trade my '21 M4 manual with 473HP (under rated) for an auto even if it had an extra 100hp.

Id buy a 350HP manual before Id buy a 500HP auto.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy's Dodge

Id buy a 350HP manual before Id buy a 500HP auto.

Agreed.

[chmura]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy's Dodge

Id buy a 350HP manual before Id buy a 500HP auto.

Heavier 500hp auto. The only reason why they have to bump HP because the car is heavier than the outgoing model.

[TJR_///M3]

Originally Posted by Habber

It starts like this, but then ends up with:

Hate the front end
Hate ID8
Hate the steering
Exhaust sound doesn't sound right
Car feels too heavy
Why doesn't it come with DSG
Why doesn't it come with manual

BMW losing their core audience….

😝

Yet M sales still grow…

[kyrix1st]

Yes, when they label half of the cars as M (e.g. M40i, M340i,etc..) their sales will grow. Surprised?

Originally Posted by TJR_///M3

Yet M sales still grow…

[TJR_///M3]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Yes, when they label half of the cars as M (e.g. M40i, M340i,etc..) their sales will grow. Surprised?

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Yes, when they label half of the cars as M (e.g. M40i, M340i,etc..) their sales will grow. Surprised?

No, not surprised!
But… I thought I also read that 'pure' M sales had also grown.
Although I suspect the X*M's are a big part of that - which I am sure will be argued to be a still further move away from the 'core' ( and I probably wouldn't disagree).
As long as they produce cars I desire, however, I guess I don't mind.