[Smilodon]

I installed the Zunsport underside and front grills before break-in service and there was no issue with the service.

[fangelov]

Originally Posted by Tag

I was told long ago by the shop foreman whom I was good friends with at my dealership that they don't even remove the drain plug when performing oil changes. They just use a suction tube to remove the old oil before refilling. This helps avoid cross threading the oil pan, forgetting to install the drain plug etc. Basically, a quick and dirty way for them to make sure they are not liable for any improper oil changes.

Can't say that's done at every dealership, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was SOP. YMMV

How do they get access to the oil pan as the M2 has no dipstick tube goint to it?

[Tag]

Originally Posted by fangelov

How do they get access to the oil pan as the M2 has no dipstick tube goint to it?

If I were to guess I'd say they remove the oil filter and go through its housing or the oil filing hole up top, but I don't know for certain. Just relaying what I was told.

[ESB]

F87s are vulnerable too right? I’m suddenly somewhat spooked. Maybe I should get one of these options before a planned road trip across the US…!

[dominoM]

Originally Posted by TT0997

For those who have done it (especially the Zunsport) :
1) did you installed it before break in service
2) if yes dis you remove it for service ?
3) does this cause an issue removing it and installing it back (self tapping screws) ?

Thanks !!

I just installed the Zunsport oil-cooler grill this past weekend, so it is fresh in my mind. If a service required removing the plastic under panel, it should be possible without undoing the self-tapping screws at the rear of the grill. But yes I agree that is a weak point in the design. To be honest, a more robust solution would be to attach the grill to the plastic cover using pre-drilled holes and a lock-nut fastener (would need to remove the panel).

[TT0997]

Thanks to all of you for your answers!

The last explanation I can give to my questions is that I will receive my car in 2 months, and I asked my contact at sales département to investigate if the workshop could install this grill before delivery.

He says : normally yes, but they have to have a look at the car before doing it, and he also said “my pessimistic side will tell you that I don’t know if they will or not add a note to the history of the car”.

So I plan to install it by my self, but was wondering at the above, because they will see the cover during break in service.

I think I will take my chance and let the grill during the service, cause I don’t want to wait 2000km to have the grill installed.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by Legit

You are on a forum of enthusiasts. I guarantee the real number of M2 owners who have an oil cooler plate is something like 10% max. Not to mention this only takes into account members who see this post and feel the need to click it and vote. Plenty of lurkers on this forum

I've read the thread and have not voted. I'm not unsympathetic to the person whose car suffered some damage but I'm not bolting on some guard or whatever.

(In one pic I saw the damage looked more like someone drove over a parking space curb and caught the oil cooler on a metal rod that often is sticking up through holes in the curb. The rods are used to hold the stone in place.)

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by TT0997

Thanks to all of you for your answers!

The last explanation I can give to my questions is that I will receive my car in 2 months, and I asked my contact at sales département to investigate if the workshop could install this grill before delivery.

He says : normally yes, but they have to have a look at the car before doing it, and he also said “my pessimistic side will tell you that I don’t know if they will or not add a note to the history of the car”.

So I plan to install it by my self, but was wondering at the above, because they will see the cover during break in service.

I think I will take my chance and let the grill during the service, cause I don’t want to wait 2000km to have the grill installed.

Don't worry about what a sales advisor says, they're pretty much clueless. The protective grilles/screens don't affect anything on the vehicle. What possible note would they write down, "the car has a protective grille on the oil cooler"?

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by TT0997

Thanks to all of you for your answers!

The last explanation I can give to my questions is that I will receive my car in 2 months, and I asked my contact at sales département to investigate if the workshop could install this grill before delivery.

He says : normally yes, but they have to have a look at the car before doing it, and he also said “my pessimistic side will tell you that I don’t know if they will or not add a note to the history of the car”.

So I plan to install it by my self, but was wondering at the above, because they will see the cover during break in service.

I think I will take my chance and let the grill during the service, cause I don’t want to wait 2000km to have the grill installed.

Note about what? Chances about what? It's non drivetrain mod. It's not going to do anything to your vehicle warranty.

[MineralGreyMetallic]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

I've read the thread and have not voted. I'm not unsympathetic to the person whose car suffered some damage but I'm not bolting on some guard or whatever.

(In one pic I saw the damage looked more like someone drove over a parking space curb and caught the oil cooler on a metal rod that often is sticking up through holes in the curb. The rods are used to hold the stone in place.)

I'm with you, at the moment.

We're already into the 2nd year of the G87.

If this was a statistically significant problem, the 2024 would have come with a shield.

When I look at the undercarriage of the car it doesn't strike me as a place they're taking risks to cut costs.

Also, why are more people rushing to install a grill under the car than to protect the one on the face of the car?

I get the concern, and it's a low investment and labor install, so don't think I'm judging anyone who installs this. I seriously considered it myself. I'm just trying to be rational about it. (famous last words)

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by MineralGreyMetallic

Also, why are more people rushing to install a grill under the car than to protect the one on the face of the car?

I get the concern, and it's a low investment and labor install, so don't think I'm judging anyone who installs this. I seriously considered it myself. I'm just trying to be rational about it. (famous last words)

Not all of us live in California, the land of perfect roads, year round sunshine, and 50% income tax.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by MineralGreyMetallic

I'm with you, at the moment.

We're already into the 2nd year of the G87.

If this was a statistically significant problem, the 2024 would have come with a shield.

When I look at the undercarriage of the car it doesn't strike me as a place they're taking risks to cut costs.

Also, why are more people rushing to install a grill under the car than to protect the one on the face of the car?

I get the concern, and it's a low investment and labor install, so don't think I'm judging anyone who installs this. I seriously considered it myself. I'm just trying to be rational about it. (famous last words)

The rock/debris hitting the car's coolers below or in front are not 'rational'. So the 'rational' thing to do is to protect them and avoid long delays and cost in the shop that have been more than confirmed to happen and more frequently than reported on this minor sample.

We have nice roads to drive here in Germany overall. My dealer has more than a few cars each year that suffer this. He agree's fully with a 'rational' protection plan.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by MineralGreyMetallic

I'm with you, at the moment.

We're already into the 2nd year of the G87.

If this was a statistically significant problem, the 2024 would have come with a shield.

When I look at the undercarriage of the car it doesn't strike me as a place they're taking risks to cut costs.

Also, why are more people rushing to install a grill under the car than to protect the one on the face of the car?

I get the concern, and it's a low investment and labor install, so don't think I'm judging anyone who installs this. I seriously considered it myself. I'm just trying to be rational about it. (famous last words)

Please keep thinking its rare or 'rational' lol

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2077651

[M2BOT]

Originally Posted by M2siast

We need myth busters to test these small rocks scenarios.
My estimate is that small rocks do not bounce up and damage the cooler. Only bigger chunks.
Especially when the cooler is hit in 2 spots, I can’t fathom the small rock bouncing so fast and hitting the cooler many times. It’s bigger chunks/concrete blocks/plastic bumper pieces/shredded tires…

Imagine a small rock coming off the back of a truck in a freeway, a rock being kicked back by a wheel can have a pretty high velocity and inertia. It’s not the rocks sitting in the road that’s the problem, it’s the falling and kicked up debris from cars ahead of you that have enough velocity to to serious damage.

[WilcoJunoHotel]

I have an M240i with the ZTK package which has the oil cooler in the same spot. I made a protector that was much less expensive than commercial protectors.

I was not worried about curbs so much as I was with the random rock, pebble, roadkill or whatever.

I bought a piece of black abs plastic from Amazon, drilled a lot of holes in it and zip tied and screwed it in place without disturbing any factory bits.

If I ever track the car, I can easily remove it. Temps have never exceeded 229 degrees so far but I haven't really driven it on a hot summer day yet (only 1400 miles on the car). Not sure about the M2 but for normal street use the cooler is probably not necessary so adding some type of protector that blocks heat transfer may not be an issue.

I have maybe $50 in it total. Just some added peace of mind not having the think about that cooler getting damaged ..........

[Southtown]

Ordered the Mishimoto for mine today.

[Kanrai]

Originally Posted by Southtown

Ordered the Mishimoto for mine today.

Same here. After the Dealer told me bmw always covers their mistakes. Hehe.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by MineralGreyMetallic

I'm with you, at the moment.

We're already into the 2nd year of the G87.

If this was a statistically significant problem, the 2024 would have come with a shield.

The problem with this line of thinking is that this forum, or others like it, represent just a minute fraction of owners. There is no way to know how many issues have occurred based on this extremely limited sample size. What we do know, from just the few that we've seen is there is the potential for catastrophic engine damage if the oil cooler is punctured, and that it can be punctured while driving on public roadways.

Was not including protective screens a cost-cutting measure, most likely. I'm sure BMW looked at any previous similar incident that was reported to a dealership and ran the probability of that occurrence against the cost to equip every vehicle with screens. Or they simply said an incident will be deemed road hazard & not covered under warranty so F-it.

A good example of a similar issue is the new C8 Corvette. Huge radiators up front and right away owners started seeing damage from road debris. Aftermarket companies came out with protective screens & immediately both the head of Corvette and the lead engineer said those screens would reduce airflow to the radiators and potentially void the vehicle warranty.

Fast forward a year or so and GM licensed the screens from the aftermarket company, lists them as an available dealer-installed option (at a price hike of course), and miraculously they no longer restrict airflow or potentially void the warranty because GM is making money from their sale.

At the end of the day, it's a couple hundred bucks for added protection. We all spend that amount, and much more, on other "unnecessary" accessories/modifications (i.e., window tint, rear spoilers, front splitters, wheel spacers, etc.) and those individuals don't get blasted for doing so.

[KC87ZB]

Fresh install last night, peace of mind restored.

Remember, raw dogging usually leads to regret.

[Kanrai]

Probably was said already but it depends also where you live, being in MI with the roads out here during winter and spring, there are just rocks everywhere. But if I lived in so cal, no need at all.

The shit I have seen on these MI roads would turn your shit white…

[akumachu]

I made some post on this thread before and I just have another scenario that I didn't think of before.

To recap, I didn't think it was mathematically or physically possible for the car to go fast enough and the vacuum effect to hit the bottom. I confirmed that with several Physics phDs from MIT on that. (I worked with a lot of them).

Bouncing rock from car in front, I have a hard time believing that would happen until I figured out a scenario that is possible this past week.

A rock that kick up high from the car in front has less chance to get under the car but I realized this week the real likely scenario is more of a rock that got shot out almost horizontally while carrying high velocity but rolling on the road.

Since no rock is an actual ball shape, when the rolling rock hit a certain edge and convert the kinetic energy upward, that I think would have the potential force to hit the cooler with enough force to puncture.

How likely is that? I have absolutely no idea but I think that is possible. I think that is why this kind of incident is coverage by car insurance make sense.

With so many people driving while looking at their phones, I believe it is more likely to get rear ended than that scenario. So both are insurance claim so personally I am not going to worry about that scenario.

I do think curb the car to damage that is most common case.
And that certainly has to do with ride height.

So the next statistic would be interesting is how many lowered cars have this problem as compare to stock?

[ourlee]

Remember, raw dogging usually leads to regret.

Top 5 line in my year on here