[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

As I said it can be click bait , but IMHO he 'always s@cks and RB should replace him ASAP ..

No hate from my side , but MAX could use some help from a good driver with b@lls.

Nico Hulkenberg is the right man ..

I'm now 100% for Checo to go.
What's this I hear about RIC being offered an ambassador title at RB, must be more clickbait.

[FC4]

I like Checo. He's not going anywhere. Plus he's worth quite a lot for the team.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by FC4

I like Checo. He's not going anywhere. Plus he's worth quite a lot for the team.

I don't like or dislike Checo...simply not pulling his weight as a driver...Compensates for that with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I don't like or dislike Checo...simply not pulling his weight as a driver...Compensates for that with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Kitkat and tequila Checo.

[dfox]

I've generally been rooting for Checo. I loved watching his win in Sakhir 2020 and he kinda fell into favor for me as an underdog, especially the story that netflix ended up spinning up, that's how I got my wife into watching F1 with me (she's a blind checo fan now). Cheering for him early last year was awesome - watching him win races over Max was fun. But then, as we now know, the car took some turns that he couldn't handle but Max could. I remain cautiously optimistic that they can get this car turned around and back into his comfort zone so we can start seeing a more competitive Checo.

His blunder in Baku was terrible though. Had he not wiped with Sainz and even just finished 4th, I think the current situation and feeling towards him would be a lot different. If he can't turn things around, it'll be disappointing.

I'm not a blind Checo fan, but I do think most of the hatred towards him is unjustified and seems to be rooted in something beyond just his driving (not going to discuss this further, but even his team leaders are guilty). Even if he were booted from RB and ended up in a lesser car, I think there's still a good number of drivers on the grid that he's more talented than.

[FC4]

Yep. Baku was his fault. He's made it hard to keep rooting for him...but I'm still in there.

In Mexico City, Checo is very visible in billboards and ads, much moreso than other drivers in other major cities. He's very marketable and has a great presence outside of the immediate F1 fanbase.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by dfox

I'm not a blind Checo fan, but I do think most of the hatred towards him is unjustified and seems to be rooted in something beyond just his driving (not going to discuss this further, but even his team leaders are guilty). Even if he were booted from RB and ended up in a lesser car, I think there's still a good number of drivers on the grid that he's more talented than.

I don't think anyone "Hates" Checo. That's why I qualified my remarks in an earlier post. Like many I'm neutral on Checo and several other drivers. I don't like or dislike them.

I'm aging myself but hate is a strong word. I understand slang "Hate" or "Hating" but don't like using it to describe my feelings toward people

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I don't think anyone "Hates" Checo. That's why I qualified my remarks in an earlier post. Like many I'm neutral on Checo and several other drivers. I don't like or dislike them.

I'm aging myself but hate is a strong word. I understand slang "Hate" or "Hating" but don't like using it to describe my feelings toward people

You know what I hate my friend ?

Politics in F1 , the Mexican government bought Checo's Red Bull seat .

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You know what I hate my friend ?

Politics in F1 , the Mexican government bought Checo's Red Bull seat .

Politics in many forms can definitely be hated!!!!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You know what I hate my friend ?

Politics in F1 , the Mexican government bought Checo's Red Bull seat .

In that neck of the woods politics can have another different meaning.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by FC4

Yep. Baku was his fault. He's made it hard to keep rooting for him...but I'm still in there.

In Mexico City, Checo is very visible in billboards and ads, much moreso than other drivers in other major cities. He's very marketable and has a great presence outside of the immediate F1 fanbase.

They played a game of chicken and both lost. Both at fault.

Really, there is no arguing it, FIA has looked at it and applied the rules. Any other opinions are just that, opinions, partially rooted in bias.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I don't think anyone "Hates" Checo. That's why I qualified my remarks in an earlier post. Like many I'm neutral on Checo and several other drivers. I don't like or dislike them.

I'm aging myself but hate is a strong word. I understand slang "Hate" or "Hating" but don't like using it to describe my feelings toward people

Nuances of the word... "Hate" is a strong word, totally agree there. Describing people as haters, or saying that someone is hating, and other spinoffs of the word "hate" definitely take a different, and much less serious, connotation.

This use of "hate" spinoffs has been around on the interwebz since like the early 2000's...

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by dfox

Nuances of the word... "Hate" is a strong word, totally agree there. Describing people as haters, or saying that someone is hating, and other spinoffs of the word "hate" definitely take a different, and much less serious, connotation.

This use of "hate" spinoffs has been around on the interwebz since like the early 2000's...

It's just not something I use, never have....But I get it,,,,kinda

[dfox]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You know what I hate my friend ?

Politics in F1 , the Mexican government bought Checo's Red Bull seat .

Needless hate, and false information.

The Mexican government hasn't sponsored Checo since 2018 when the state-owned Pemex defaulted on their sponsorship contract with him. Checo's father is no doubt a politician, but there's currently no state sponsorships.

Carlos Slim is responsible for the majority of Checo's funding as he owns a bunch of companies that sponsor him. He was the richest man in the world for 3 years. The majority of his fortune came from a cell network company. Given his financial power, he no doubt has political power, but he is no politician, and his money is private, not from a government. He was sponsoring race car drivers well before Checo came along.

Many people in F1 have a lot of money. It's hard to get into the sport without it, and hard to move up as well, as can be seen by the fact that Colopinto is driving in F1 as his sponsors are basically paying the team for him to be there.

[CMW33]

Isn't Liam is being set up to replace Checo as early as 2025? If Liam outperforms Yuki then I truly think Red Bull will swap Liam for Checo. Or am I reading too much into Horner's recent statements?

[dfox]

Originally Posted by CMW33

Isn't Liam is being set up to replace Checo as early as 2025? If Liam outperforms Yuki then I truly think Red Bull will swap Liam for Checo. Or am I reading too much into Horner's recent statements?

IMO, RB has Checo for 2025, and maybe 2026. Liam is coming in to race at vcarb for the remainder of 2024, and all of 2025. He would be considered for RB in 2026 if Checo's 2025 year isn't what they're hoping for. Obviously this could change if someone's performance is drastically better or worse than expected, but I also think RB recognizes that they screwed Checo with car development and want to make that right before they give him the boot.

I'm guessing Yuki is out of vcarb in 2026, so they'll need new drivers down there. Ditching Checo too early leaves them with gaps to fill.

[M5Rick]

These drivers that will be kicked out have so much money, so frankly...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by dfox

Needless hate, and false information.

The Mexican government hasn't sponsored Checo since 2018 when the state-owned Pemex defaulted on their sponsorship contract with him. Checo's father is no doubt a politician, but there's currently no state sponsorships.

Carlos Slim is responsible for the majority of Checo's funding as he owns a bunch of companies that sponsor him. He was the richest man in the world for 3 years. The majority of his fortune came from a cell network company. Given his financial power, he no doubt has political power, but he is no politician, and his money is private, not from a government. He was sponsoring race car drivers well before Checo came along.

Many people in F1 have a lot of money. It's hard to get into the sport without it, and hard to move up as well, as can be seen by the fact that Colopinto is driving in F1 as his sponsors are basically paying the team for him to be there.

Wherever Checo's sponsorships comes from , IMHO . It's a sham...
One thing is for sure ,we witnessed he isn't worth it to get his RB20 seat.
F1 is a Team sport but Red Bull has just one driver...
Checo should be replaced ASAP . Because by Checo , Red Bull lost the WCC (already)!

[dfox]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Wherever Checo's sponsorships comes from , IMHO . It's a sham...
One thing is for sure ,we witnessed he isn't worth it to get his RB20 seat.
F1 is a Team sport but Red Bull has just one driver...
Checo should be replaced ASAP . Because by Checo , Red Bull lost the WCC (already)!

Why is it "a sham"? Carlos Slim is a successful business man who can feel free to invest how he likes. Is it just because his companies are based in Mexico?

RB admitted that Checo called them out on the mistakes they made on the RB19 that caused his poor driving. They continued to screw up the car by ignoring him to the point that now even Max has issues. Checo is not blameless in this situation, but neither is RB and the RB leadership have admitted it.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by dfox

Why is it "a sham"? Carlos Slim is a successful business man who can feel free to invest how he likes. Is it just because his companies are based in Mexico?

RB admitted that Checo called them out on the mistakes they made on the RB19 that caused his poor driving. They continued to screw up the car by ignoring him to the point that now even Max has issues. Checo is not blameless in this situation, but neither is RB and the RB leadership have admitted it.

It's a sham because we'll never know where it comes from .
#Mexico and there's a reason why there's a 600 km border wall to keep things where they belong to be...
And It's well known that Antonio Pérez Garibay (Checo's father) is no saint..
Said enough about this subject..

Yes I agree , Red Bull screwed up the car completely with a fundamental design flaw because the Frenchman Pierre Waché really s@cks and he will s@ck again with the new planned COTA upgrades ...
Waché is not the new A.Newey...

I'm pretty sure you mean the RB20...

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by dfox

Why is it "a sham"? Carlos Slim is a successful business man who can feel free to invest how he likes. Is it just because his companies are based in Mexico?

Maybe Andretti should move to Mexico

Andretti Slim Racing has a nice ring to it

[G30M]

Originally Posted by dfox

Liam is coming in to race at vcarb for the remainder of 2024, and all of 2025.

i thought horner says that's not a certainty.