[SonnyJack]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

I dont watch nascar and I guess you missed the part where I said Vettel was wrong and that I agree he shouldnt have done that...

No, I got that part. It's your highly suspect statement that everyone else is blowing this out of proportion which is the head scratcher.

[SonnyJack]

Originally Posted by ptack

I think there were a number of people living the Crashdor dream starting with Bottas.

He's got a hard on for RAI that's for sure.

[E90SLAM]

I think the issue here was "retaliation" cannot be tolerated from the stewards.

Regardless if Hamilton is right or not. It is not up to Vettel to come up along side and bump his car.

IMO, I don't think Hamilton "brake check" Vettel at all, but he was intentionally backing up the pack, let the safety car go far enough, then launch his Mercedes out of the last corner. And then Vettel knows from the first SC restart, the Merc just won the drag race, thus VET tried to stay very close and caught off guard how slow Hamilton at the exit the corner.

So the speed difference (one sort of idle, and one accelerate) made VET believed HAM was brake-checking him.

Don't forget at that time, they're not "racing" yet. Safety car has not enter the pitlane, and the Safety Car line was still far ahead. Hamilton was essentially the SC controlling the pace. IF HAM and VET bumping wheels during race, at times is acceptable form the stewards, but now, its purely "retaliation", thus this was not acceptable in any motor sport.

[Terry989]

Lost a little more respect for Hamilton. I can't believe the prima donna radioed his team and ask them to have Bottas slow down and block Vettel. If that had happened and it actually worked, his next radio call would be tell Bottas to slow down and let me around him.

[Mtxzptlk]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

I think the issue here was "retaliation" cannot be tolerated from the stewards.

Regardless if Hamilton is right or not. It is not up to Vettel to come up along side and bump his car.

IMO, I don't think Hamilton "brake check" Vettel at all, but he was intentionally backing up the pack, let the safety car go far enough, then launch his Mercedes out of the last corner. And then Vettel knows from the first SC restart, the Merc just won the drag race, thus VET tried to stay very close and caught off guard how slow Hamilton at the exit the corner.

So the speed difference (one sort of idle, and one accelerate) made VET believed HAM was brake-checking him.

Don't forget at that time, they're not "racing" yet. Safety car has not enter the pitlane, and the Safety Car line was still far ahead. Hamilton was essentially the SC controlling the pace. IF HAM and VET bumping wheels during race, at times is acceptable form the stewards, but now, its purely "retaliation", thus this was not acceptable in any motor sport.

^ This +1000

Couldn't have explained it better myself

[rcracin]

Originally Posted by Terry989

Lost a little more respect for Hamilton. I can't believe the prima donna radioed his team and ask them to have Bottas slow down and block Vettel. If that had happened and it actually worked, his next radio call would be tell Bottas to slow down and let me around him.

He did first ask whether Bottas was challenging for 2nd.

[///M Power-Belgium]

In short...
HAM played a dirty game and VET got it on his nerves !

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by SonnyJack

No, I got that part. It's your highly suspect statement that everyone else is blowing this out of proportion which is the head scratcher.

Because they are.. given the punishment the FIA gave him, Id say they even think it isnt that big of a deal. 10 sec stop go while most ppl think he should have been DQ.

[rcracin]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

In short...
HAM played a dirty game and VET got it on his nerves !

Dirty game or try to set himself up for the best possible restart?

I'd be doing whatever it takes to get any advantage. He earned the ability to set the pace by being in the lead.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by rcracin

Dirty game or try to set himself up for the best possible restart?

I'd be doing whatever it takes to get any advantage. He earned the ability to set the pace by being in the lead.

With VET on his tail HAM speculated on a surprise pull (restart) because in F1 every 1/100 sec. matters !
And yes actually it's a dirty game , but it's allowed by the FIA

[E90SLAM]

This is not the first time Vettel had crashed behind safety car.
Remember Fuji 2007 when Vettel (P3) crashed into Webber (P2), while Hamilton (P1) slowed behind safety car.
It is tricky not to overtake the safety car and others while keeping both tires and brake temperature. Swerving, accelerating, and braking, and also plan for a good get-away, or keep as close to your opponent in front without crashing.

[SonnyJack]

Originally Posted by Terry989

Lost a little more respect for Hamilton. I can't believe the prima donna radioed his team and ask them to have Bottas slow down and block Vettel. If that had happened and it actually worked, his next radio call would be tell Bottas to slow down and let me around him.

I'm pretty sure what he said was " ask Valterri to slow down if he's not currently battling with anyone."

Once they responded that he was chasing down Stroll that was the end of it.

I'll admit the request did seem a tad over the top.

[Bartledoo]

I thought the Vettel anger bump was hilarious. The equivalent of bumping go-karts at that low speed...albeit multimillion dollar go-karts.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

lol what?? FIA 10000% says he didn't hit the brakes nor lifted off. Don't let your bias get in the way of the facts.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...esting-923425/

Fact is Vettel was left for dead on the previous restart and almost lost a place to Perez. He then was attempting to more aggressively stay close to Ham and get a better restart. His defense in post race interviews is embarrassing, even after being told telemetry showed Ham didn't brake check him.

@ .52 "when Hamilton unexpectedly slowed out of turn 15" - From the Formula 1 channel.

[N52UNED]

Originally Posted by rcracin

Dirty game or try to set himself up for the best possible restart?

I'd be doing whatever it takes to get any advantage. He earned the ability to set the pace by being in the lead.

Although I don't think it's dirty pool to bunch up close traffic ... it's a tactic that is in a bit of a grey area whether it should be condoned. At the very least looked upon with a bit more scrutiny for now on, as it can impact "driver's safely"

I'm sure Hamilton would had whined to Charlie if the situation would've been reversed .... even though Hamilton regularly uses bunching up traffic to his advantage. He did the same thing to Rossberg last year (even against team orders to go faster) and was sited years back for it when Vettel crashed into Webber. Inquiring with the team about Bottas' ability do the same stuff seems desperate for a 3X Champion ... not gamesmanship.

To me this should be a "driver policed" kind of thing .... like how last season Max got a few "talking to's" for his overly-aggressive driving from Charlie and drivers.

IMHO ... Drivers should make a point of letting Hamilton know to stop the games and just drive.

[rcracin]

I'd use any strategy in my arsenal to win. If it means calling on my team mate, so be it. I like Vettel's talent, but man he's like the Lebron on Formula 1. Whine, bitch, complain any chance he gets. Blue flags, Charlie, brake checking, Max out of control, Kyvat hit me from the rear, bla bla bla.

When Hamilton's desperate, he fires back with a pole position and a killer win. That much was evident last year once he was at the point where he needed nothing short of wins to secure the title. Unfortunately the car failed him in Malaysia.

[cngo]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

@ .52 "when Hamilton unexpectedly slowed out of turn 15" - From the Formula 1 channel.

That video has been deleted and reuploaded. I wonder why. Watch the video the reuploaded video at the same timestamp and try quoting the commentary again.

[N52UNED]

Originally Posted by rcracin

I'd use any strategy in my arsenal to win. If it means calling on my team mate, so be it. I like Vettel's talent, but man he's like the Lebron on Formula 1. Whine, bitch, complain any chance he gets. Blue flags, Charlie, brake checking, Max out of control, Kyvat hit me from the rear, bla bla bla.

When Hamilton's desperate, he fires back with a pole position and a killer win. That much was evident last year once he was at the point where he needed nothing short of wins to secure the title. Unfortunately the car failed him in Malaysia.

It's funny because it's true.

[E90SLAM]

[Mtxzptlk]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

I'm willing to quit my day job and replace that guy...

Sweet deal... just holding Kimi's steering wheel while taking a jog.

Wonder how much it pays. lol

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by cngo

That video has been deleted and reuploaded. I wonder why. Watch the video the reuploaded video at the same timestamp and try quoting the commentary again.

Now it just seems shady. Something doesnt add up. They removed that part but they also dont say that Hamilton didnt touch his brakes or that he didnt slow down.

What it does say is "drivers often weave and brake behind the safety car in order to keep up temps in their brakes and tires. but the FIA examined Hams telemetry and found it to be in order, however, they decided to issue Vettel...."

To me it sounds like they are saying Hamiltons slowing down was normal and not something out of the ordinary like a random brake check. I guess thats why they removed the "unexpected slowing" wording.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by SonnyJack

No, I got that part. It's your highly suspect statement that everyone else is blowing this out of proportion which is the head scratcher.

Seems like other ppl see it like I do.