[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

The mental gymnastics that some people will go through to defend a brand is... Mind boggling

I'm not suggesting we get out our torches and pitchforks, but this is bad. The failure mode for any electronics equipment should not be "fire". Specifically, electrical engineers go to great lengths to prevent fires.

So yeah, it's good to keep a sense of perspective. BMW is doing the right thing here, but this was a mistake. There's no need to jump in and defend this as some kind of expected result of owning an aging car. It's not.

Agree. Any electrical connector that can cause a fire on its own without tampering is a serious issue. May be a case of bean counters saving a few cents on a tin plated connector design vs. silver plating, crimping vs. soldered connectors, etc. Will cost BMW much more in the recall cost than what they saved with the cheaper connector.

@bradleyland. LOL at your mental gymnastics comment.




First off I would like to know exactly how you can guarantee that the fail safe regarding an electronic component NEVER is fire ?

Second, Do you seriously think that vehicle fires are so uncommon?! You are totally going overboard here.

Indeed , let's keep this in perspective!

While a serious issue indeed, this is certainly not an issue limited to or specific to ,BMW , it affects many manufacturers and many SUPPLIERS of parts for OEM equipment.

Do I even need to utter the word. TAKATA?

Aside from vehicle airbags , there are many components that have led to fires in many different vehicles.

BMW had an issue with this in the X5 years ago and issued like this go back to the Ford Pinto or before.

I've already had a battery cable replaced on my 1M- do you think failures of it wouldn't have resulted in a potential fire risk ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_fire

According to the page above approximately 280,000 ACTUAL vehicle fires occur in a year. I wonder how many of those began due to an electronic component or part like a battery, fan, cruise control module , etc etc.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/engine-...ecalled-fords/

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...374150891.html

Lamborghini and Ferrari models are well known for fire risks particularly in older models.

Take a surf on over to the NHTSA web site and play around and see how many vehicle recalls are due to an eventual fire hazard.


Moral of the story - it's a recall. Check for your model and if it's affected then look for your notice and call your dealer. When fire hazard is a concern you seriously may wish to consider parking your vehicle away from the residence.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

@bradleyland. LOL at your mental gymnastics comment.




First off I would like to know exactly how you can guarantee that the fail safe regarding an electronic component NEVER is fire ?

Second, Do you seriously think that vehicle fires are so uncommon?! You are totally going overboard here.

Indeed , let's keep this in perspective!

While a serious issue indeed, this is certainly not an issue limited to or specific to ,BMW , it affects many manufacturers and many SUPPLIERS of parts for OEM equipment.

Do I even need to utter the word. TAKATA?

Aside from vehicle airbags , there are many components that have led to fires in many different vehicles.

BMW had an issue with this in the X5 years ago and issued like this go back to the Ford Pinto or before.

I've already had a battery cable replaced on my 1M- do you think failures of it wouldn't have resulted in a potential fire risk ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_fire

According to the page above approximately 280,000 ACTUAL vehicle fires occur in a year. I wonder how many of those began due to an electronic component or part like a battery, fan, cruise control module , etc etc.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/engine-...ecalled-fords/

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...374150891.html

Lamborghini and Ferrari models are well known for fire risks particularly in older models.

Take a surf on over to the NHTSA web site and play around and see how many vehicle recalls are due to an eventual fire hazard.


Moral of the story - it's a recall. Check for your model and if it's affected then look for your notice and call your dealer. When fire hazard is a concern you seriously may wish to consider parking your vehicle away from the residence.

Did you even read my comment?

Have you ever heard the saying, two wrongs don't make a right? Just because Lamborghini and Ferrari models are known to catch fire doesn't make this a good thing.

Like I said, I'm not advocating anyone get out their pitchforks, and I really don't see how anything you said contradicts my statements. Other than the fact that you apparently didn't learn what most of us learned in pre-school.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Did you even read my comment?

Have you ever heard the saying, two wrongs don't make a right? Just because Lamborghini and Ferrari models are known to catch fire doesn't make this a good thing.

Like I said, I'm not advocating anyone get out their pitchforks, and I really don't see how anything you said contradicts my statements. Other than the fact that you apparently didn't learn what most of us learned in pre-school.

I haven't matriculated to primary school.

Don't rush me either !

[lan4]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

@bradleyland. LOL at your mental gymnastics comment.




First off I would like to know exactly how you can guarantee that the fail safe regarding an electronic component NEVER is fire ?

Second, Do you seriously think that vehicle fires are so uncommon?! You are totally going overboard here.

Indeed , let's keep this in perspective!

While a serious issue indeed, this is certainly not an issue limited to or specific to ,BMW , it affects many manufacturers and many SUPPLIERS of parts for OEM equipment.

Do I even need to utter the word. TAKATA?

Aside from vehicle airbags , there are many components that have led to fires in many different vehicles.

BMW had an issue with this in the X5 years ago and issued like this go back to the Ford Pinto or before.

I've already had a battery cable replaced on my 1M- do you think failures of it wouldn't have resulted in a potential fire risk ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_fire

According to the page above approximately 280,000 ACTUAL vehicle fires occur in a year. I wonder how many of those began due to an electronic component or part like a battery, fan, cruise control module , etc etc.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/engine-...ecalled-fords/

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...374150891.html

Lamborghini and Ferrari models are well known for fire risks particularly in older models.

Take a surf on over to the NHTSA web site and play around and see how many vehicle recalls are due to an eventual fire hazard.


Moral of the story - it's a recall. Check for your model and if it's affected then look for your notice and call your dealer. When fire hazard is a concern you seriously may wish to consider parking your vehicle away from the residence.

Not sure which of us you are responding to, but I didn't say you can guarantee anything. What I said was "Any electrical connector that can cause a fire on its own without tampering is a serious issue." Fire is an immediate threat to life and property, it's not just getting stuck on the side of the road. The reason I commented and as Bradleyland said was to not "get the pitch forks out", but more because I think it's likely there are similar issues lurking on newer models as well. Should we also park newer BMW's outside so we don't burn our house down and risk our family's lives?

The most common way to minimize electrical fire risk is to over design for current and voltage handling capacity of wiring and connectors, use high quality metals (i.e. non corrosive) especially at high current contact points, and use fusing to protect the wiring. Apparently they (BMW) knew this and according to the NHTSA report ["The recall component (blower-regulator wiring harness) has tin coated connectors at the end of the harness, while the non-recall component has silver coated connectors at the end of the harness"] the connector was changed to silver (more expensive than tin) contacts at some point in time.

Being an engineer myself for many years I realize it 's not possible to make something perfect, but this is bad engineering and cost cutting.

[boss2k]

Does this affect F80/ F82,built after 2015

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by boss2k

Does this affect F80/ F82,built after 2015

All the affected vehicles are listed in these documents:

Originally Posted by mirob

NHTSA document/report for affected 3-series vehicles in HVAC wiring recall (includes production date ranges:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/201...7V676-9625.PDF

Other document/report for affected vehicles in PCV heater recall:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/201...7V683-7475.pdf

At first glance, these are all N52 & N53 equipped cars, which is the naturally aspirated 3L I6 engine used before the move to the 35i model designation that accompanied the arrival of the 3L turbocharged I6 N54 engine. The F80 / F82 has the S55, which is a much, much newer engine.

[boss2k]

Hope it doesn't affect our cars as the models recalled are 2007 to 2011

Does the M' s have latest technology ?

[RickFLM4]

https://www.bmwusa.com/safety-recalls.html

[boss2k]

I saw that and checking if our cars are affected

Tried putting my VIN in the 2nd link and doesnt work

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by boss2k

I saw that and checking if our cars are affected

Tried putting my VIN in the 2nd link and doesnt work

Worked fine for both my cars - you only enter last 7 digits, not whole VIN

[boss2k]

Yes worked now , looks good for our cars I think

[Bemo]

Not that I would have it any other way, but the Porsche always sleeps in the 1-car garage of my house, while the Bimmers slum it out on the driveway.
Hope I get the recall notice soon, that and ignore "fire sales" at the stealer!

[Katin]

Fake News.

[Gangplank]

Originally Posted by Katin

Fake News.

Or Naked Fuse...?


:haha

[gotgemini2000]

Originally Posted by MilehighM3

A fire in the trunk related to a headlight harness? Are you serious? More likely that it was an improperly install battery with a loose connection.

Per mechanic, wiring harness had a short in the wiring that ran towards the headlights.

[superduty]

Originally Posted by lan4

Agree. Any electrical connector that can cause a fire on its own without tampering is a serious issue. May be a case of bean counters saving a few cents on a tin plated connector design vs. silver plating, crimping vs. soldered connectors, etc. Will cost BMW much more in the recall cost than what they saved with the cheaper connector.

This is driven more by the EU than the bean counters at BMW. The use of pure tin is the result of the EU prohibition of the use of Sn/Pb on connectors & component leads. A case of environmental concerns over riding practical concerns. The transition to pure tin has not been without unforeseen consequences and the mitigation costs have been huge.

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by gotgemini2000

Per mechanic, wiring harness had a short in the wiring that ran towards the headlights.

Find a new mechanic

[lan4]

Originally Posted by superduty

This is driven more by the EU than the bean counters at BMW. The use of pure tin is the result of the EU prohibition of the use of Sn/Pb on connectors & component leads. A case of environmental concerns over riding practical concerns. The transition to pure tin has not been without unforeseen consequences and the mitigation costs have been huge.

Yes, forgot about the the EU regs. Thanks for the clarification and info.

[chris82]

These recalls are such a pain in the ass. I had the battery cable recall, airbag recall, and now most likely this shit? Takata may not have been directly their fault, but this is now 2 recalls related to electronics most likely caused by cutting corners in the wrong places. Again, another wire that could corrode. Oh well, they're out about $2 billion in market cap since this news came out. Surely that + dealer expenses to fix these issues is enough for them to learn the lesson.

[Eagle1oh7]

Can't wait to wait over a year to have the recall performed. At the end of this month I'll finally have the airbag recall performed on my E90.

[Droshki]

So this is the issue that BMW told me about: Blower motor wiring?

[vilord]

I wonder if they'll perform the recall on the PCV heater if the intake manifold was replaced... My '07, and the '09 that the 3-stage IM that's in my car came from are both in the recall...