[No one]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

Most service workers (waiters, hairstylists, kind of thing) are paid lower wages based on them receiving tips.

Does that mean you pay lower costs of their services based on you giving tips? Would they work worse if they were paid higher wages, really? Their employers rob both them and you (twice!) with that. And the worst is the tips do spoil those people absolutely.

No money for nothing, just chicks for free!

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Murf993

So given that movers make minimum wage and it is a difficult, thankless job that leaves you aching I'd say a tip if they do a good job is fair.

But that's just me, I sure as hell wouldn't want to have to carry all that furniture and boxes for what they get paid.

This misses the point entirely. They are paid what they are paid because there is tipping, take tipping away and they'd need to be paid more to find the labour. It's just a hassle, the entire concept is asinine.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

This misses the point entirely. They are paid what they are paid because there is tipping, take tipping away and they'd need to be paid more to find the labour. It's just a hassle, the entire concept is asinine.

I'm not a huge fan of tipping either to be honest. Having said that if everyone was paid what the self entitled millennials call "a living wage", the price of everything would be much higher and I am not sure we'd all be happy about that either. I don't have an answer for this frankly, when I think of someone working in McDonalds etc for minimum wage that seems fair, when I see how physically hard my movers worked minimum wage seems low. I think hard work should be rewarded fairly and some minimum wages are fairly paid.

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by No one

Does that mean you pay lower costs of their services based on you giving tips? Would they work worse if they were paid higher wages, really? Their employers rob both them and you (twice!) with that. And the worst is the tips do spoil those people absolutely.

No money for nothing, just chicks for free!

Originally Posted by Alfisti

This misses the point entirely. They are paid what they are paid because there is tipping, take tipping away and they'd need to be paid more to find the labour. It's just a hassle, the entire concept is asinine.

Originally Posted by Murf993

I'm not a huge fan of tipping either to be honest. Having said that if everyone was paid what the self entitled millennials call "a living wage", the price of everything would be much higher and I am not sure we'd all be happy about that either. I don't have an answer for this frankly, when I think of someone working in McDonalds etc for minimum wage that seems fair, when I see how physically hard my movers worked minimum wage seems low. I think hard work should be rewarded fairly and some minimum wages are fairly paid.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

So the move itself is complete. I'm living in chaos right now but I'll post that story in the Confess thread when I have time to write a novel.

The movers were great. Got there early, wrapped everything like pros. Got some oversized furniture down narrow stairs without marking up the walls or damaging any furniture. I was a bit concerned because when I moved in, the banister wasn't in so there was a lot more maneuvering space. They guys were thrilled with the $50 each, except for the lead guy. He looked down and spread out the bills to see how much and didn't say a word. He worked no harder than the others. I'm assuming if I had given all the $ to him, he would have distributed it differently. Oh well. That's exactly why I gave to them individually. I also gave them a few bottles of champagne that were in the house - I hate champagne.

Thanks for all your feedback. It's Friday boys and girls - YAY!

Awesome! Glad you are at least seeing things move in the right direction!

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

This misses the point entirely. They are paid what they are paid because there is tipping, take tipping away and they'd need to be paid more to find the labour. It's just a hassle, the entire concept is asinine.

This has been tried and restaurants ended up losing wait staff because they preferred getting tips. It’s not just the dollars they make, but the instant gratification they get from the tip. There are probably still some where there are no tips, but many have reverted back. I don’t really care whether we tip 20% or prices increase 20% with no tip. Not a big deal either way to me. However, although rare, I have left no tip or less than 20% if I find service to be awful.

Aside from restaurants, there are other places where people make a fair wage and still get tips for a job well done by some customers. In this setting you can just choose to not tip.

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by Murf993

We also tipped them each $75 for each day of work. Was it a big tip, maybe.

What does that $75 Canadian equate to in US dollars, $1.68?

Seriously though, you're right on @cmyx6go's tip rate.....

[No one]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

I don’t really care whether we tip 20% or prices increase 20% with no tip.

Thus you don't really care about your government (take it as your country ): there's no tip tax, right?

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

restaurants ended up losing wait staff because they preferred getting tips ... there are other places where people make a fair wage and still get tips for a job well done by some customers

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

It’s not just the dollars they make, but the instant gratification they get from the tip.

Only if it meets/exceeds their ever-growing expectations. It's disappointment (and even hate!) otherwise. In some MTV series, a manager firing a waiter for requesting more tip from a customer: "You made the worst mistake possible. You made a customer feel uncomfortable!".
It's them who should care about your gratification, not vice versa.

Originally Posted by vreihen16

What does that $75 Canadian equate to in US dollars, $1.68?

Seriously though, you're right on @cmyx6go's tip rate.....

Had she tipped them as her brother had suggested, they'd hire her to maid for them.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by No one

Thus you don't really care about your government (take it as your country ): there's no tip tax, right?

Tips are taxable.

[UncleWede]

I get 3@1 hour massages for $125. I left her $20 today because I didn't have $10 in my wallet


Wait, this is the Confess thread?

[IllSic_Design]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Tips are taxable.

Yes, but most tips aren't reported. Well except when they write the tip and amount on the check/bill. But otherwise cash tips handed straight over aren't getting reported, which is also why servers/people who make tips don't mind getting paid less and earning tips, as it's less taxable income for them.

[gatorfast]

$50 each sounds very generous to me. Certainly nothing wrong with that.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Don't stand up in a canoe.....

can someone explain what this means lol

[Tommy-G]

Originally Posted by G35POPPEDMYCHERRY

can someone explain what this means lol

That's vreihen16 tip????

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by Tommy-G

That's vreihen16 tip????

Absolutely! That's my tip for everyone. If you stand up in a canoe, it is likely to tip over.....

[vreihen16]

[evil-G-nius]

My suggestion is make sure you have someone supervising the packing of the truck!!! We just moved to Florida and the movers we paid to pack the front half of our container actually manage to destroy or damage like 80-90% of our shit which I am sooooo beyond pissed about! The second half of the container my dad and I packed everything was perfect. No boxes out of place, nothing damaged. The "professionals" were lazy, careless and just flat out incompetent in how the packed the trailer. So my suggestion to you is make sure you have a person to supervise the loading of the container (truck) and voice anything that doesn't look right from the get go. Make them repack if need be. My load was on such a truncated timetable that I didn't do that, plus it was reputable movers we had used before and did not have an issue with. I would hate for you to go through what I am going through right now.

[RickFLM4]

Anyone tip roofers (workers, not owner)? If so, how much? 4 guys are working their asses off in extreme heat for over a week (there were some other guys on a few days, but four guys every day). I feel like they deserve something, but I sure as hell am not paying a percent of the roof cost. I gave the 4 main guys $50 / each at the end of last week. Thinking of another $100 / each when the roof is done. Too much? Not enough?

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Too much. But if your heart is content…
Construction guys make a killing.

OK thanks. Maybe another $50 / each on top of the $50 last week then.

[Toddbmw]

Add a case of beer at the end of the job?

I tipped the 2 man crew that was working with my general contractor on my house build with beer. Had to hide the beer in their truck, since the GC did not approve.

[tcphoto]

I tip servers, bartenders and people that provide quality service. I've used a couple movers and have found damage after they're long gone and not able to file a claim. I find it funny how the main guy will stand there at the end with his hand out asking for a tip, I'm sure that he feels entitled but I don't have the energy to tell him how lame it is to do so.

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

This misses the point entirely. They are paid what they are paid because there is tipping, take tipping away and they'd need to be paid more to find the labour. It's just a hassle, the entire concept is asinine.

Before the pandemic there were a select few restaurants bucking this trend but now, at least in Atlanta, Im seeing more and more. They still accept tips in a lot of them but its pooled tips and they pay a real wage, some just added a service charge to the bill up front and said dont tip.

One thing I have noticed is those restaurant owners arent the ones I hear complaining about how they cant get anyone to work there. My favorite does the "base plus" model of a full wage for everyone and then all the non management staff pools whatever tips were left and they have almost all of the same employees pre-pandemic thanks to more stable wages.

I know a lot of the waitresses from the trendy places and they never returned. They all went to school, had other careers, but fell into service because a hot chick bartending can make BANK. But when COVID hit they realized its not a guarantee and a lot fell back onto their original career path and, especially being slightly older, like getting a consistent check every two weeks.