[RM7]

Originally Posted by nerdogray

There is no way in hell society will last long enough for any idealistic vision of EV's to take hold. At its root, EV is not being driven by some alruistic pursuit of a cleaner planet or environmental responsibility. It's about money and ultimately, power. That's it. Now certainly there are many of those that do champion the transition to EV that are being driven by more actual ideals. But in the end it won't make a difference... at all. We will all be steamrolled. ICE engines are a scapegoat used to leverage more power from a society too fractured to fight back. It is also an absolute absurdity that we are to uproot everything for truly minimal long-term gain when you have one country that will never participate and is also the leading cause of all emissions and pollution... not to mention being utterly morally bankrupt. I guess that's my Asian hate talking, though... because that's supposedly a thing, too. EV's are nothing but a farce, taken up as shield and sword by a generation that loves to proclaim its virtue while having not a single shred of wisdom to know what they are really asking or doing.

And don't even get me started on the chemtrails™.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by R N M

The Camaro tanked in sales only when the new hideous design came out. The original Camaro from 2010s was a huge success and outsold Challenger and even Mustang I believe. Then GM massacred the front end and no amount of performance could save it.

I think you might be confused on the generations. Does mine have the "hideous" front end?

[dscabra]

Originally Posted by RM7

No, that's literally what muscle cars are all about.

Sure -- In that era, that was all they were really "good" at. My point is that in today's era of performance, that the "muscle car" moniker embodies so much more of the sensory aspects that are part of the bygone era from which they came. An EV will flat out smoke almost anything from 0-60, but it won't evoke any of the sensations that "I" associate with a muscle car. I'm not intending to debate this, it's simply my opinion. I'll respect yours if you'll respect mine.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Cos270

I work for one of the big companies (rhymes with M&M). Unfortunately, what beachBmmr says is true. Companies are trying to move forward with this approach. Is it possible/feasible? Doesn't matter. There is more stable revenue there, so that's the direction they're heading. I'm in my late 20's and am an outlier in my generation in regards to my enthusiasm and passion for automobiles (be they EV or ICE). The generation(s) after me could not care less. Many don't even have driver's license or care to get them. These are future "customers" that automakers will have to cater to. It is a bleak future, and I try not to think about it too much. I'm just glad that I was able to pick up one of my attainable dream cars this year and I plan to drive it until it's no longer feasible.

I'm the same age as you. Out generation and kids younger don't really seem to care about cars beyond the superficial level. People will follow accounts on IG or Tiktok but that's kinda it. These generations grew up with phones and tablets, so a car like Tesla which is an extension of that is what's desirable, not something like an M2 or Boxster. People look at you funny if you mention steering feel or handling.

[Humdizzle]

i kinda feel all these companies saying 'its the last of its kind, or most power NA engine (for its size)' is just trying to push product. just giving salesmen more ammo 'oh its the last one, its rare, sorry we can't haggle'.

what better way to push product than to tell everyone its going out of stock.

i do think it will happen... but we're probably going to see a full electric M3 or 911 on the road before it happens in america.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i kinda feel all these companies saying 'its the last of its kind, or most power NA engine (for its size)' is just trying to push product. just giving salesmen more ammo 'oh its the last one, its rare, sorry we can't haggle'.

what better way to push product than to tell everyone its going out of stock.

i do think it will happen... but we're probably going to see a full electric M3 or 911 on the road before it happens in america.

Winner winner.....

There's a reason Dodge is selling 392s and Hellcats 20k over sticker....

"There's not going to be many more made" or "good luck getting one".

I flipped a hellcat durango (it was too slow for my liking) and made $10k on it and I bought it $4k over sticker. I had dealers in Cali offering my $110-115k at minimum, just too much hassle and they would've sold it for $120-130k easy.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Hellcats as a whole hold their value incredibly well.

[Mingwan]

I guess we have our replacement for displacement…it’s e-muscle…

[dscabra]

Originally Posted by Mingwan

I guess we have our replacement for displacement…it’s e-muscle…

Or in EV terms:

Horsepower (hp) = Voltage x Amperage x % EFF x power factor x 1.73/746

Where:
Voltage is the average of the three voltages measured: (A-B + A-C + B-C)/3

Amperage is the average current of the three phase measured: (A+B+C)/3

% EFF is motor efficiency per motor nameplate

Power factor is the ratio of true power (kW) to apparent power (kVA). In the absence of power factor measurement tools, a rule of thumb is to estimate power factor at 0.85

1.73 is a constant used when calculating three-phase power

746 is the constant for converting watts to horsepower (746 watts = 1 Hp)

Example: How much horsepower is a 25 hp motor producing at 472 volts and drawing an average of 20 amps per phase with a motor nameplate marking of 90 % efficiency?

Horsepower (hp) = Voltage x Amperage x % EFF x power factor x 1.73/746

= 472V x 20A x 0.90 x 0.85 x 1.73/746 = 17 Hp

[Bimmersandmopars]

I loved watching the YouTube videos off folks trying to tow with their model Xs and ending up stranded with no battery.

Diesel electric is the real solution, but auto manufacturers would never let it happen.

[Fined]

the joke will be when those fat POS don't get any heavier even though they will be carrying 1500lbs of batteries.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by Fined

the joke will be when those fat POS don't get any heavier even though they will be carrying 1500lbs of batteries.

Fat POS?

You talking about Tesla plaids?

I mean my m8 gran coupe is 4400lbs, Demon is 4200lbs, and Plaid is nearly 5k lbs which is truly a heavy sedan.

Now imagine a mono-chassis rhats carbon core based similar to the M8s on the Plaid with Twin Turbo 4.4l V8 S63R and 2 front electric motors.

Now that's fun.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

Fat POS?

You talking about Tesla plaids?

I mean my m8 gran coupe is 4400lbs, Demon is 4200lbs, and Plaid is nearly 5k lbs which is truly a heavy sedan.

Now imagine a mono-chassis rhats carbon core based similar to the M8s on the Plaid with Twin Turbo 4.4l V8 S63R and 2 front electric motors.

Now that's fun.

audi RS6 is 5000lbs.

[stein_325i]

[R N M]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Well atleast they realize how absurd it is.

I think its not Dodge who made this decision or even US management but Stellantis group, where Dodge is a tiny brand with zero future growth potential. The fact remains they still need the V8s for the Jeeps and Ram vehicles - just shortsighted to end Dodge models especially since they are still doing well with minimal investment.

[..Rush..]

That is so funny man.
Dodge Duracell Cat ....hahaha.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by RM7

audi RS6 is 5000lbs.

Yep! Wagon life lol.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

Yep! Wagon life lol.

Same with the RS7, which is not a wagon. They are just big heavy cars. S63 AMG is 4800lbs. These cars weigh a ton...literally.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by RM7

Same with the RS7, which is not a wagon. They are just big heavy cars. S63 AMG is 4800lbs. These cars weigh a ton...literally.

Ok. But not really heavy compared to EV....

[dscabra]

I can do 12-second 1/4 mile in my 7800lb. F-250 diesel! ~560 wheel hp and almost 1100 ft./lb. in 4x4 launch. Torque can overcome a lot of weight!

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by dscabra

I can do 12-second 1/4 mile in my 7800lb. F-250 diesel! ~560 wheel hp and almost 1100 ft./lb. in 4x4 launch. Torque can overcome a lot of weight!

You and I would get along very well!

Fastest diesel I ever had was back in 2012 running a low 10 in a Megacab Cummins.

Not many people will understand the thrill 1500ftlbs + of torque can offer when mixed with high HP.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

You and I would get along very well!

Fastest diesel I ever had was back in 2012 running a low 10 in a Megacab Cummins.

Not many people will understand the thrill 1500ftlbs + of torque can offer when mixed with high HP.

Torque is where it's at!! I want as much torque at the lowest RPM possible. So much fun!!!!!