[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by Tag

I honestly can't think of what options they could milk. Adaptive suspension is standard, 19"F/20"R wheels are standard and it'll basically get everything that's standard on the M240i, and more. The only options I know of that can substantially increase the price are the CF roof and bucket seats. Aside from those two, I think this car for the most part will be well equipped.

Stupid question I know but what are some of the standard features on the M240?

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Ronin76

Stupid question I know but what are some of the standard features on the M240?

M240i xDrive Coupe

Standard

1R2 19" M Double-spoke bi-color wheels, style 797 with all-season run-flat tires (style 797 M)
216 Servotronic
2T4 M Sport Differential
2TB 8-Speed Sport Automatic Transmission
2VB Tire pressure monitor
2VF Adaptive M Suspension
2VL Variable sport steering
302 Alarm System
322 Comfort Access keyless entry
3AG Rear view camera
3DZ Without Lines designation outside
3M1 M Sport Brakes with Blue Calipers
403 Moonroof
430 Auto-dimming interior and exterior mirrors
431 Auto-dimming rearview mirror
459 Power Front Seats
465 40/20/40 Split Rear Seat
481 Sport seats
493 Storage package
4AT Black High Gloss Trim
4UR Ambient Lighting
508 Park Distance Control
534 Dual Zone Auto Climate Control
544 Dynamic Cruise Control
5AS Active Driving Assistant
5DC Folding rear-seat headrests
655 SiriusXM with 360L + 1 year All Access Subscription
676 Hi-fi sound system
6AC BMW Assist eCall
6AE BMW TeleServices
6AK ConnectedDrive Services
6U2 Navigation
704 M sport suspension
710 M steering wheel
715 Aerodynamic kit
754 Rear spoiler
760 Shadowline exterior trim
775 Anthracite headliner
ZAX Apple CarPlay and Android Auto Compatibility
ZN1 Active Blind Spot Detection
ZN4 Lane Departure Warning

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by Tag

M240i xDrive Coupe
Standard
1R2 19" M Double-spoke bi-color wheels, style 797 with all-season run-flat tires (style 797 M)
216 Servotronic
2T4 M Sport Differential
2TB 8-Speed Sport Automatic Transmission
2VB Tire pressure monitor
2VF Adaptive M Suspension
2VL Variable sport steering
302 Alarm System
322 Comfort Access keyless entry
3AG Rear view camera
3DZ Without Lines designation outside
3M1 M Sport Brakes with Blue Calipers
403 Moonroof
430 Auto-dimming interior and exterior mirrors
431 Auto-dimming rearview mirror
459 Power Front Seats
465 40/20/40 Split Rear Seat
481 Sport seats
493 Storage package
4AT Black High Gloss Trim
4UR Ambient Lighting
508 Park Distance Control
534 Dual Zone Auto Climate Control
544 Dynamic Cruise Control
5AS Active Driving Assistant
5DC Folding rear-seat headrests
655 SiriusXM with 360L + 1 year All Access Subscription
676 Hi-fi sound system
6AC BMW Assist eCall
6AE BMW TeleServices
6AK ConnectedDrive Services
6U2 Navigation
704 M sport suspension
710 M steering wheel
715 Aerodynamic kit
754 Rear spoiler
760 Shadowline exterior trim
775 Anthracite headliner
ZAX Apple CarPlay and Android Auto Compatibility
ZN1 Active Blind Spot Detection
ZN4 Lane Departure Warning

God damn…that was fast!!

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Ronin76

God damn…that was fast!!

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by Tag

I honestly can't think of what options they could milk. Adaptive suspension is standard, 19"F/20"R wheels are standard and it'll basically get everything that's standard on the M240i, and more. The only options I know of that can substantially increase the price are the CF roof and bucket seats. Aside from those two, I think this car for the most part will be well equipped.

I hope so, that is the beauty of the F87, simple and well equipped.

[bromudez]

Consensus seems to be 60K-64K for a base model before options.

What do you think the packages will be? I'm guessing it'll have the usual Premium Enhanced type of package plus a carbon pack?

[MPR]

You really can't buy this car bare bones, unless you just desperately want to have an 'M2' emblem on the rear end.

I'm thinking base MSRP starts at $65k, once you add packages, and you have to get a CF roof if available, you will be close to $75k-$80k. Plus TTL, you're spending a lot of money, making the 240 a better option financially if this is your daily. I agree, having an M2 is cooler, but prices are out of control these days and spending an additional $20k out the door compared to the 240 is insane.

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by MPR

You really can't buy this car bare bones, unless you just desperately want to have an 'M2' emblem on the rear end.

I'm thinking base MSRP starts at $65k, once you add packages, and you have to get a CF roof if available, you will be close to $75k-$80k. Plus TTL, you're spending a lot of money, making the 240 a better option financially if this is your daily. I agree, having an M2 is cooler, but prices are out of control these days and spending an additional $20k out the door compared to the 240 is insane.

m2 will hold it's value so much better than the m240, especially if manual

i'd argue the depreciation difference would make up the 20k itself

[atl_1M]

Originally Posted by MPR

You really can't buy this car bare bones, unless you just desperately want to have an 'M2' emblem on the rear end.

I'm thinking base MSRP starts at $65k, once you add packages, and you have to get a CF roof if available, you will be close to $75k-$80k. Plus TTL, you're spending a lot of money, making the 240 a better option financially if this is your daily. I agree, having an M2 is cooler, but prices are out of control these days and spending an additional $20k out the door compared to the 240 is insane.

I don't see how this can start at 65k if the M3 starts at 73 and comes with a cf roof and merino leather as standard. I priced out a fairly well equipped g80 for 81k. I'm hoping for more like 62-63k base price for M2 and around 70k for a well equipped one

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

I don't see how this can start at 65k if the M3 starts at 73 and comes with a cf roof and merino leather as standard. I priced out a fairly well equipped g80 for 81k. I'm hoping for more like 62-63k base price for M2 and around 70k for a well equipped one

This sounds spot on to me. Of course it won't be as cheap as the outgoing F87 but I'm not getting people guessing the G87 starting at 65K and up. The pricing delta between previous M2s and M3s have never been closer than around 10K so with the 2023 M3 starting at around 73K, MSRP is probably gonna fall somewhere in the 61-63K range. Hopefully BMW doesn't ignore history and says "screw it" when it comes to pricing this car

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by StickyPickle

This sounds spot on to me. Of course it won't be as cheap as the outgoing F87 but I'm not getting people guessing the G87 starting at 65K and up. The pricing delta between previous M2s and M3s have never been closer than around 10K so with the 2023 M3 starting at around 73K, MSRP is probably gonna fall somewhere in the 61-63K range. Hopefully BMW doesn't ignore history and says "screw it" when it comes to pricing this car

Traditionally the gap to M4 has been around a 20% premium.

MY21 - M2 comp(dct) $61,800
MY21 - M4 comp $74,700
20.8% prem for M4.

MY23 - M4 base $74,700
MY23 - M4 comp $78,600

Gap could close a little to around 18% due to more standard M4 equipment on the G87.
G87 base ~ $61,500
G87 comp ~ $64,500

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by MPR

You really can't buy this car bare bones...

I'd get a stipper manual G87. Sometimes the best way to order a M-car.

Originally Posted by MPR

I'm thinking base MSRP starts at $65k, once you add packages, and you have to get a CF roof if available, you will be close to $75k-$80k. Plus TTL, you're spending a lot of money, making the 240 a better option financially if this is your daily. I agree, having an M2 is cooler, but prices are out of control these days and spending an additional $20k out the door compared to the 240 is insane.

Nah, all about moonroof delete or not speccing moonroof like on the F87. Majority of weight savings and increased headroom for helmet comes from not having moonroof. Carbon bling(extra -5kg) is nice, but 100% not necessary.

[M2Jorge]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Traditionally the gap to M4 has been around a 20% premium.

MY21 - M2 comp(dct) $61,800
MY21 - M4 comp $74,700
20.8% prem for M4.

MY23 - M4 base $74,700
MY23 - M4 comp $78,600

Gap could close a little to around 18% due to more standard M4 equipment on the G87.
G87 base ~ $61,500
G87 comp ~ $64,500

I know for the F87 competition model had a whole different engine over the OG, but for the older F series and new G series M3s and M4s what exactly does the competition model offer over base?

[soflacarguy]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Traditionally the gap to M4 has been around a 20% premium.

MY21 - M2 comp(dct) $61,800
MY21 - M4 comp $74,700
20.8% prem for M4.

MY23 - M4 base $74,700
MY23 - M4 comp $78,600

Gap could close a little to around 18% due to more standard M4 equipment on the G87.
G87 base ~ $61,500
G87 comp ~ $64,500

That's one way to compare (previous gen to current gen). However I think it makes more sense to compare current gen trim level starting MSRP:


23 m340i base = 54,850
23 m340i xdrive = 56,850
23 m3 base = 72,800
23 m3 comp = 76,700
23 m3 comp xdrive = 80,800

23 m440i base = 58,250
23 m440i xdrive = 60,250
23 m4 base = 74,700
23 m4 comp = 78,600
23 m4 comp xdrive = 82,700

On both:
M Lite base to xdrive = +2k (both)
M Lite base to M base = +17,950 (m3) +16,450 (m4)
M base to M Comp = +3,900 (both)
M base to M Comp xdrive = +8k (both)

Mostly consistent.

23 m240i base = 47,900
23 m240i xdrive = 49,900

Also worth noting:

m240i base to m340i base = +6,950
m240i base to m440i base = +10,350

Factoring all this data, my best guess is:

23 m2 base = 64,350+
23 m2 comp = +3900 (if exists)
Or
23 m2 comp xdrive = +8k (if exists)


I know its not apples to apples. Outside of B58 to S58, maybe the m2 base won't receive all of the goodies the m3/4 get at base (i.e. seats)? I'd still be amazed (and thrilled) to see a start price closer to 60k.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by M2CompJorge

I know for the F87 competition model had a whole different engine over the OG, but for the older F series and new G series M3s and M4s what exactly does the competition model offer over base?

On F series M cars, the Competition package was a software remap (+19 hp and rework of the tq band), new 20" wheels, new suspension tuning, new seats, new seatbelts, and a new exhaust. This was for like $4700, easily the best packaged deal.
On G series M cars, the Competition model brings, an automatic transmission, software remap (+24hp +74 tq), and the option of AWD. Don't know how much it costs, don't care.

[M2Jorge]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

On F series M cars, the Competition package was a software remap (+19 hp and rework of the tq band), new 20" wheels, new suspension tuning, new seats, new seatbelts, and a new exhaust. This was for like $4700, easily the best packaged deal.
On G series M cars, the Competition model brings, an automatic transmission, software remap (+24hp +74 tq), and the option of AWD. Don't know how much it costs, don't care.

Essentiakly, if you went up tuning these cars via femto unlock/clone, you’ll have no reason to get the competition model?

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by M2CompJorge

Essentiakly, if you went up tuning these cars via femto unlock/clone, you’ll have no reason to get the competition model?

On F series cars, it's not a huge hardware difference, on G series I think it is, I mean a transmission and drive train make up a lot of it. I suppose if you really need AWD and an auto tranny and don't want an M5/X3/4/5/6, there's always the G80/82.

[soflacarguy]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

On F series M cars, the Competition package was a software remap (+19 hp and rework of the tq band), new 20" wheels, new suspension tuning, new seats, new seatbelts, and a new exhaust. This was for like $4700, easily the best packaged deal.
On G series M cars, the Competition model brings, an automatic transmission, software remap (+24hp +74 tq), and the option of AWD. Don't know how much it costs, don't care.

I get the sentiment in regards to MT vs AT.

The xdrive, however, is worth it's weight imho and can be completely turned off.

"Drivers can also switch off the DSC system altogether and engage 2WD mode, where drive power is relayed solely to the rear wheels. If the optional M Traction Control is fitted, traction can be finely adjusted through ten stages in this setting in the same way as on the rear-wheel-drive models. This form of power transmission without any intervention from the chassis control systems to stabilise the vehicle allows seasoned drivers to enjoy a driving experience of remarkable purity and hone their skills with the help of the optional M Drift Analyser."

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by soflacarguy

I get the sentiment in regards to MT vs AT.

The xdrive, however, is worth it's weight imho and can be completely turned off.

"Drivers can also switch off the DSC system altogether and engage 2WD mode, where drive power is relayed solely to the rear wheels. If the optional M Traction Control is fitted, traction can be finely adjusted through ten stages in this setting in the same way as on the rear-wheel-drive models. This form of power transmission without any intervention from the chassis control systems to stabilise the vehicle allows seasoned drivers to enjoy a driving experience of remarkable purity and hone their skills with the help of the optional M Drift Analyser."

I understand your point, but with the car being most likely 3800+ lbs, adding another hundred + lbs is simply too much. I do not want a 4000 lbs M2. That does nothing for me. I don't want another numb, overweight, AWD, automatic car, especially with the M3 moving up in size and the M2 replacing it. Give me a tossable, fast, fun car that I can take to the track but enjoy every day. You get that with the F87C, hoping you still do with the G87.

[LivingInSalt]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I understand your point, but with the car being most likely 3800+ lbs

Why would the M2 weigh 200 lbs more than the M240i?

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by M3WC

I'd get a stipper manual G87. Sometimes the best way to order a M-car.

Nah, all about moonroof delete or not speccing moonroof like on the F87. Majority of weight savings and increased headroom for helmet comes from not having moonroof. Carbon bling(extra -5kg) is nice, but 100% not necessary.

Plus if you go with individual paint it is somewhat foolish to get the carbon fiber roof when you are spending all that money for that amazing paint. Food for thought.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

Why would the M2 weigh 200 lbs more than the M240i?

Bigger brakes
More turbos
Piping for those turbos
Cooling for motor
Cooling for transmission
Bigger wheels and wider tires
There's just more car.