[335xs2dinan]

Good job BMW!

P.S. Can we get that steering feel back now?

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by FCX5

While no review site is perfect. CR is by far the most objective. I don’t agree with all their assessments, but I respect their objectivity. Now, it important to bear in mind that CR focuses a lot on safety and reliability. They don’t really factor styling or build quality or luxury.

Also, most people would not think that Hyundai builds “better” vehicles than Porsche, but CR does. So always important to know what “better” means.

"Better" is a subjective term, not an objective term, which means it's up to each individual to decide (or get paid to decide).

I have a few bridges to sell you, in particular. I can make them sound very appealing, because I know what you're looking for...

[mecheng77]

Originally Posted by 335xs2dinan

Good job BMW!

P.S. Can we get that steering feel back now?

I drove my E90 yesterday after a while of driving my F22, I thought it was low on PS fluid. It is such a drastic difference. In low speed driving it is quite the workout. I like how my M235i weights up in sport mode

[Christopherbmr]

Porsche should be at the top of the list fr.

[NickyC]

Subaru is 2nd?

What?

[mecheng77]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Subaru is 2nd?

What?

It’s easy to explain, they are decently reliable and people that like a ‘rugged’ economy car are satisfied with how they drive. They are boring to me besides the 86, but I’m not their target market

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Christopherbmr

Porsche should be at the top of the list fr.

Haha did you just join to say that … are you a Porsche employee… time to fess up

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by mecheng77

I drove my E90 yesterday after a while of driving my F22, I thought it was low on PS fluid. It is such a drastic difference. In low speed driving it is quite the workout. I like how my M235i weights up in sport mode

Yeah, I much prefer the newer steering now. Overly heavy doesn't improve the drive to me.

[mecheng77]

Originally Posted by DM5PAV

I don’t know what your simile means, or if it even means anything at all to anyone.

I think their cars drive fine though.
They have a good weight to the steering, not particularly fast, but as a commuting car they’re more than adequate.

They’re the largest auto manufacturer in the world, clearly doing something right. And, their reliability is so well known it goes without saying.

Best vehicle certainly implies a heavy dose of reliability, and the OP made a point to single out that attribute as one of the core components of the study.

In addition, I didn’t solely focus on reliability in my response. These are basic elements of conversation that you seem to want to deconstruct to make… no point at all.

Try to keep up.

Trying hard to keep up to your arrogance.

I’ve owned many Hondas that ppl consider reliable, with higher mileage they burn oil which is considered normal and they start rusting heavily, neither would trigger any unreliable rating. BMW has superior rust resistance to most cars

[Xtabi]

This is great to see.

Now if they can only deuglify the cars I'd be ecstatic!

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by mecheng77

It’s easy to explain, they are decently reliable and people that like a ‘rugged’ economy car are satisfied with how they drive. They are boring to me besides the 86, but I’m not their target market

Subaru's also score high in safety. I kind of feel (I have owned a few from new) they are the most overrated automotive brand as they are only really popular in the USA and Australia as they had to pull out of the European market due to poor sales. That said I can understand why they scored high as they are simple, high safety ratings, owners value all weather capability over luxury or bells and whistles. Basically a simple, low tech, A to B utility vehicle with AWD that owners in Northern States crave.

BMW has come a long way over the last decade. They have managed to combine solid build quality with reliable drivetrains which has long been a hurdle that the Germans have struggled with.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Subaru's also score high in safety. I kind of feel (I have owned a few from new) they are the most overrated automotive brand as they are only really popular in the USA and Australia as they had to pull out of the European market due to poor sales. That said I can understand why they scored high as they are simple, high safety ratings, owners value all weather capability over luxury or bells and whistles. Basically a simple, low tech, A to B utility vehicle with AWD that owners in Northern States crave.

I don’t know if that makes Subaru overrated. Subaru is almost a niche brand and they do what they do and do it well. They might not lead in any area except maybe for their all-symmetrical AWD and they don’t apologize for it which contributes to why people like them - owners get what they are looking for, nothing more and nothing less.

[chassis]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

The rankings are based on overall performance in road tests, reliability, owner satisfaction, and safety.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars...s-a6159221985/

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Well done BMW.

MB what are you doing?

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

I don’t know if that makes Subaru overrated. Subaru is almost a niche brand and they do what they do and do it well. They might not lead in any area except maybe for their all-symmetrical AWD and they don’t apologize for it which contributes to why people like them - owners get what they are looking for, nothing more and nothing less.

Call them Niche? (US metrics attached)

[chris719]

Originally Posted by mecheng77

I drove my E90 yesterday after a while of driving my F22, I thought it was low on PS fluid. It is such a drastic difference. In low speed driving it is quite the workout. I like how my M235i weights up in sport mode

Yep. E9x non-M steering is artificially heavy. If you drive an E92 M3 from that era you will see the M steering racks are lighter than the 335i.

[mecheng77]

Originally Posted by chris719

Yep. E9x non-M steering is artificially heavy. If you drive an E92 M3 from that era you will see the M steering racks are lighter than the 335i.

Interesting I didn’t know that

It’s definitely a workout

[DrCloud]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Subaru is 2nd?

What?

We just bought a Crosstrek as our grocery-getter, so, naturally, I reactivated my login on the main Crosstrek forum. (We'd had a 2013 version, the first generation, and it was basically a lemon.)

When this news came out, I was, of course, delighted -- and even more satisfied with my recent X3 purchase.

But when it got posted on the CT forum, the Crosstrek owners were more than merely disappointed -- they were hair-tearing tormented, and making up all sorts of excuses as to why BMW bumped Subaru out of first place (Yeah, Subaru had been first in previous years). A good one was that the great BMW service plan means that they don't have to report TSBs automatically, like Subaru does, so naturally BMW is more "reliable."

It was hilarious. HPH