[Ghostrider.1127]

Here you can fit "box" from AC Schnitzer ( had and have on few cars ) and as BMW acknowledge that , you will not lose the 3 years official warranty first , but also have a warranty directly from AC Schnitzer

https://www.ac-schnitzer.de/bmw/z/z4...9-m40i/?c=5575

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Realistically whom purchases a high performance sports coupe and is genuinely concerned about MPG? Very few per my decades of experience in the auto industry.

One can own a high performance sports coupe and still be concerned about fuel economy.

Have driven a fair number of high performance cars. When I use them for every day driving -- work commute mostly -- I drive in a manner that conserves fuel. Driving in such a way doesn't require much effort. Just common sense driving.

But when I'm on a pleasure drive I am less concerned about fuel economy.

My Dodge Challenger Hellcat sucked at fuel economy when I used it for my 60 mile work commute averaging around 15mpg vs. 30mpg my MINI JCW delivered.

But then on a road trip from CA to AR the Hellcat averaged in the low 20s MPG. For a 707hp 4600lb car not too shabby.

Sure had I driven the JCW it would have delivered much better numbers. Never got a chance to take the JCW on that road trip but I drove a 2023 MINI S from AR to CA and back last January and it averaged over 30mph and the speed average was pretty close to the posted limit of (mostly) 75mph so I wasn't high miling the car.

[Panscan340]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Realistically whom purchases a high performance sports coupe and is genuinely concerned about MPG? Very few per my decades of experience in the auto industry.

Agree but the gas tank size seems a bit dumb. Could do 200 miles on a weekend road trip somewhat easily or burn the equivalent in gas going somewhere 60-70 miles away and then driving through town with some spirited driving. Seems annoying from a constantly filling up gas perspective.

[DrJLag420]

At least we won’t have to plan our trips based on where charging stations are.

ICE FTW!

Carry on then…

[Rx-7ames]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

One can own a high performance sports coupe and still be concerned about fuel economy.

Have driven a fair number of high performance cars. When I use them for every day driving — work commute mostly — I drive in a manner that conserves fuel. Driving in such a way doesn't require much effort. Just common sense driving.

But when I'm on a pleasure drive I am less concerned about fuel economy.

My Dodge Challenger Hellcat sucked at fuel economy when I used it for my 60 mile work commute averaging around 15mpg vs. 30mpg my MINI JCW delivered.

But then on a road trip from CA to AR the Hellcat averaged in the low 20s MPG. For a 707hp 4600lb car not too shabby.

Sure had I driven the JCW it would have delivered much better numbers. Never got a chance to take the JCW on that road trip but I drove a 2023 MINI S from AR to CA and back last January and it averaged over 30mph and the speed average was pretty close to the posted limit of (mostly) 75mph so I wasn't high miling the car.

He didn't say no one who purchases a performance vehicle cares about MPG. He said very few do. And he's correct. You happen to be one of the few.

[WBRacing]

I think there is a difference between caring about MPG and overall range. 260 miles is a pretty short range. Especially if you start pushing it on some fun roads. What do we think that's going to drop down to for spirited driving? 175 miles? I could care less if the car gets 10 MPG if it has a 250 mile range carving through the mountains.

[eddj]

Originally Posted by WBRacing

I think there is a difference between caring about MPG and overall range. 260 miles is a pretty short range. Especially if you start pushing it on some fun roads. What do we think that's going to drop down to for spirited driving? 175 miles? I could care less if the car gets 10 MPG if it has a 250 mile range carving through the mountains.

when needed, this baby will go around 350-400 miles with a full tank even if its so small.Thats still more than today's EVs

[bmwdrive]

Originally Posted by eddj

when needed, this baby will go around 350-400 miles with a full tank even if its so small.Thats still more than today's EVs

How would it do that with such a small tank? You would have to get 25+ mpg which seems unlikely?

[eddj]

Originally Posted by danf72

How would it do that with such a small tank? You would have to get 25+ mpg which seems unlikely?

with a steady speed @71 - 74 mph only highway trip I think its achievable. I get 400 + miles range easily while averaging 35 mpg - 32 mpg on highway only with my g42 (and around same curb weight with the g87; same tank size)

[Ghostrider.1127]

G42 240 ( even awd) are using way less fuel.

[eddj]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider.1127

G42 240 ( even awd) are using way less fuel.

I know, but should be by not much since in essence same year tech inside the engine and same engine at the base. thats why I said in between 350-400 miles give it or take.
But this again, just in theory for now.

[eddj]

this is one of my work commute trip data , even if I also drove in a spirited way in sport plus mode (notice the average speed) to get past all the traffic blockers on the 3rd fast lane ( yes, Ontario daily commuters are the worst ) I managed around 32 mpg ...

Indeed legendary and insane engine!

[FTS]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Realistically whom purchases a high performance sports coupe and is genuinely concerned about MPG? Very few per my decades of experience in the auto industry.

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

One can own a high performance sports coupe and still be concerned about fuel economy.

At this day and age, not worrying about fuel consumption is ridiculous IMO.

At $4/gal., 1000 mi./mo. means I would be paying over $200/mo on petrol. On top of the monthly payment of the vehicle and maintenance costs. A performance EV does the same for less than $30/mo. including maintenance. Not to mention of continued use of fossil fuels.

19 mpg is about the same as a Ford Bronco or Raptor

[Ghostrider.1127]

Originally Posted by FTS

e. Not to mention of continued use of fossil fuels.

Yeah cause batteries are falling from the sky and eletricity is from the plugs , all GRREEEEN and ECCOOO
...

[FTS]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider.1127

Yeah cause batteries are falling from the sky and eletricity is from the plugs , all GRREEEEN and ECCOOO
...

Yes, you have a great point here, we should start another endless discussion on which one is better for our health and environment; well done!

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by Rx-7ames

He didn't say no one who purchases a performance vehicle cares about MPG. He said very few do. And he's correct. You happen to be one of the few.

Not just a few everywhere. Not just a few in CA. A majority care. It is the "few" that don't care.

$6/gallon gasoline does that.

Still have *concern* for fuel economy on my mind even several years away from CA and in the land of very much less expensive gasoline.

[Ghostrider.1127]

Originally Posted by FTS

Yes, you have a great point here, we should start another endless discussion on which one is better for our health and environment; well done!

Tell this to you as EV owner ( even motorcycles)

[WBRacing]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

Not just a few everywhere. Not just a few in CA. A majority care. It is the "few" that don't care.

$6/gallon gasoline does that.

Still have *concern* for fuel economy on my mind even several years away from CA and in the land of very much less expensive gasoline.

I disagree. The majority of people that care are not buying an M2 IMO. Being as they are conscientious of fuel economy they would trend towards vehicles that satisfy that requirement. I think its a pretty safe bet most people buying an M2 are more interested in smiles per gallon than miles per gallon. Fuel costs are just are part of the deal.

[Rx-7ames]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

Not just a few everywhere. Not just a few in CA. A majority care. It is the "few" that don't care.

$6/gallon gasoline does that.

Still have *concern* for fuel economy on my mind even several years away from CA and in the land of very much less expensive gasoline.

I do believe you are in the minority. Keep in mind this is mine and T_U_D's perspective from being in the car business.

I have sold around a thousand cars. T_U_D has been in the business much longer than me so he probably has thousands. It is a very small percentage of performance car buyers that care about gas milage.

And it's because it really isn't a big concern, or it shouldn't be.

Using your example, driving 1000 miles a month at $6 a gallon will cost you $300 a month at 20 MPG. At 30 MPG you will spend $200 a month. $100 a month should not be a concern if you are buying a 70k car. I cannot wrap my head around any scenario where a client buying a 70k car is going to have trouble increasing their fuel costs by $100 a month.

Now consider the average gas price in the US is actually $4.20 for premium, the disparity drops even more. You are actually looking at $210 and $140 respectively. If $70 a month is concerning then you really should consider a lower priced car, not a more efficient car.

[Ghostrider.1127]

Originally Posted by Rx-7ames

Now consider the average gas price in the US is actually $4.20 for premium

Would love to pay that , instead of 8.10 $ here ...

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Rx-7ames

I do believe you are in the minority. Keep in mind this is mine and T_U_D's perspective from being in the car business.

I have sold around a thousand cars. T_U_D has been in the business much longer than me so he probably has thousands. It is a very small percentage of performance car buyers that care about gas milage.

And it's because it really isn't a big concern, or it shouldn't be.

Using your example, driving 1000 miles a month at $6 a gallon will cost you $300 a month at 20 MPG. At 30 MPG you will spend $200 a month. $100 a month should not be a concern if you are buying a 70k car. I cannot wrap my head around any scenario where a client buying a 70k car is going to have trouble increasing their fuel costs by $100 a month.

Now consider the average gas price in the US is actually $4.20 for premium, the disparity drops even more. You are actually looking at $210 and $140 respectively. If $70 a month is concerning then you really should consider a lower priced car, not a more efficient car.

In the UK current premium fuel prices are about USD$7.50 per US gallon. The likely depreciation will be around 1% of car value per month, so about USD$700 compared with USD$125 difference in the fuel price there.

[Rx-7ames]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider.1127

Would love to pay that , instead of 8.10 $ here ...

3.89 for premium at my local Costco in Oregon.