[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

The M2 was keeping up with the M240i when the piggyback was not in power mode. The M240i was running in stock power mode at the beginning.

When the M240i has the power turned up, it destroyed the M2 off the line as expected.

In a rolling race with similar hp, the M240i will lose. Ther is more power loss from the xDrive, running on 2 differentials instead of 1 on the RWD M2.

I will still get the G87 M2 because of
1. 6MT (most important)
2. S58
3. Suspension tuning from M
4. Looks more aggressive

First three points are completely valid and objective. The fourth, subjective as is saying the M2 is ugly.

[MNoob]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

The M240i was running in stock power mode at the beginning.

And intake, exhaust, down pipe.

I’d be curious to see what fuel/adders were in both tanks. I suspect a tuner doesn’t bring their FBO piggyback car to a YouTube race with a tank full of 91.

To me this answers the long standing debate of: just get the non-M and tune it.

[JMD]

Originally Posted by SpeedyATL

M240ix vs M2 auto.

Pretty impressive showing by the B58.

That B58 ain't no joke! That third run had the M240 with an epic launch!

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by MNoob

And intake, exhaust, down pipe.

I’d be curious to see what fuel/adders were in both tanks. I suspect a tuner doesn’t bring their FBO piggyback car to a YouTube race with a tank full of 91.

To me this answers the long standing debate of: just get the non-M and tune it.

If you think those mods don't make power, plus the suspension work to hook up better, you're deluding yourself. Not saying the 240i isn't potent, but that wasn't really a stock vs stock run. Let's put the same mods on the M2 and redo that race.

[Rat_House]

B58 might be the new 2jz/rb

[yousefnjr]

This really ruffled some feathers lol. Seems Carwow is better at making waves than some want to admit

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Rat_House

B58 might be the new 2jz/rb

B58 is great for sure but let’s not kid ourselves, the s58 is an improvement over the B58 in every way

[Rat_House]

Originally Posted by fcman

B58 is great for sure but let’s not kid ourselves, the s58 is an improvement over the B58 in every way

I’m not saying the s58 is bad in any way but they cost $15-$20k used while a b58 you can scoop up for less than $5k which makes it a much more appealing swap.

[XC3LLR8]

Fun video, and surprised it took so long in the making; I would’ve expected it the first week of M2 deliveries.

Obviously, the predictions of this video have been discussed in multiple posts for some time now, and the results proved accurate to most predictions. The M2 is the superior long distance athlete, while the M240 is the superior sprinter.

If I was going all out on a true M car I’d be furious if it didn’t excel in spades over its little brother in EVERY performance metric! But that’s not the case here, as the most common performance numbers are going to be 0-60 and 1/4. For cars that drive 99.9% of their miles on the street it’s going to boil down to 0-60 and 1/8. This is where the M240 glows, and that glow only gets brighter with more power mods thanks to the xDrive and gobs of low-end torque.

The speeds where the M2 shine is simply unrealistic outside a track or highway, and starting next month Texas will consider racing on a highway as organized criminal activity that can result in vehicle seizure. Sure, this can apply to any 150 HP car, but the point is this is the new M2’s bread and butter. And for the track, I’ll gladly take an inexpensive lightweight with cheap consumables. I’ve done track time in track-focused cars that cost under $15K up to and exceeding $300K, and the truth is the fun factor is just as high in a NC Miata with Ohlins, light weight wheels, sticky tires and grippy brakes. Fun track time does not have to equal fast lap times.

That’s a long-winded way of saying the M2 is only a mild upgrade to the M240 in areas that will not be relevant to most, and even a slight downgrade to the M240 in areas that are relevant to most.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

Fun video, and surprised it took so long in the making; I would’ve expected it the first week of M2 deliveries.

Obviously, the predictions of this video have been discussed in multiple posts for some time now, and the results proved accurate to most predictions. The M2 is the superior long distance athlete, while the M240 is the superior sprinter.

If I was going all out on a true M car I’d be furious if it didn’t excel in spades over its little brother in EVERY performance metric! But that’s not the case here, as the most common performance numbers are going to be 0-60 and 1/4. For cars that drive 99.9% of their miles on the street it’s going to boil down to 0-60 and 1/8. This is where the M240 glows, and that glow only gets brighter with more power mods thanks to the xDrive and gobs of low-end torque.

The speeds where the M2 shine is simply unrealistic outside a track or highway, and starting next month Texas will consider racing on a highway as organized criminal activity that can result in vehicle seizure. Sure, this can apply to any 150 HP car, but the point is this is the new M2’s bread and butter. And for the track, I’ll gladly take an inexpensive lightweight with cheap consumables. I’ve done track time in track-focused cars that cost under $15K up to and exceeding $300K, and the truth is the fun factor is just as high in a NC Miata with Ohlins, light weight wheels, sticky tires and grippy brakes. Fun track time does not have to equal fast lap times.

That’s a long-winded way of saying the M2 is only a mild upgrade to the M240 in areas that will not be relevant to most, and even a slight downgrade to the M240 in areas that are relevant to most.

Sounds like the M240i is the right car for you, for some of us the M2 makes more sense

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by Rat_House

I’m not saying the s58 is bad in any way but they cost $15-$20k used while a b58 you can scoop up for less than $5k which makes it a much more appealing swap.

Sure we can do this all day long with lots of other cars. I mean why buy a 911 or a Ferrari for that matter?

[Baldilocks73]

Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

Fun video, and surprised it took so long in the making; I would’ve expected it the first week of M2 deliveries.

Obviously, the predictions of this video have been discussed in multiple posts for some time now, and the results proved accurate to most predictions. The M2 is the superior long distance athlete, while the M240 is the superior sprinter.

If I was going all out on a true M car I’d be furious if it didn’t excel in spades over its little brother in EVERY performance metric! But that’s not the case here, as the most common performance numbers are going to be 0-60 and 1/4. For cars that drive 99.9% of their miles on the street it’s going to boil down to 0-60 and 1/8. This is where the M240 glows, and that glow only gets brighter with more power mods thanks to the xDrive and gobs of low-end torque.

The speeds where the M2 shine is simply unrealistic outside a track or highway, and starting next month Texas will consider racing on a highway as organized criminal activity that can result in vehicle seizure. Sure, this can apply to any 150 HP car, but the point is this is the new M2’s bread and butter. And for the track, I’ll gladly take an inexpensive lightweight with cheap consumables. I’ve done track time in track-focused cars that cost under $15K up to and exceeding $300K, and the truth is the fun factor is just as high in a NC Miata with Ohlins, light weight wheels, sticky tires and grippy brakes. Fun track time does not have to equal fast lap times.

That’s a long-winded way of saying the M2 is only a mild upgrade to the M240 in areas that will not be relevant to most, and even a slight downgrade to the M240 in areas that are relevant to most.

Agreed. Now, an automatic AWD M2, I would buy in a heartbeat.

[marksandygill]

Both brilliant cars, but looks wise, could I walk past a 718 S and spend £65k plus on an M2...nope...😂

[fcman]

Originally Posted by marksandygill

Both brilliant cars, but looks wise, could I walk past a 718 S and spend £65k plus on an M2...nope...��

IDK if that makes you lucky or unlucky that they cost the same where you live. The M2 here in the US is the equivalent of 50K GBP and the 718 S is the equivalent of 63k GBP

[pizza240]

Result was what I expected.
M240i have always been great cars, just not as playful as the full blown M cars.
Looking forward to an AWD M2C with ZF8.

[bunker]

Originally Posted by M2siast

As I mentioned before, unfortunately only one of those vehicles can be had in a manual and be a car to be considered.

So, in essence, this is a one car comparison.

lol ok

[Rat_House]

Originally Posted by c1pher

Sure we can do this all day long with lots of other cars. I mean why buy a 911 or a Ferrari for that matter?

Not sure why you seem so butthurt over my assertion but yeah im here all day. I guess youre a purist who likes to drive your stock automatic car, have it serviced regularly at the dealer, and probably have an EV as a second vehicle. Live a little…. A Porsche or Ferrari are great investment vehicles if you get the right options and spec.

[10"]

Originally Posted by fcman

Very impressive by the B58, I think if you live in a city, or somewhere with a lot of smaller, straighter roads, the M240xi edges out the M2. If you don’t spend a lot of time on track it’s hard to justify the M2

Have you experienced many M cars?

They are not about straight line speed. Their steering is way sharper, the suspension geometry way better, and then feel so much more planted than a Non-M car.

Easy to benefit from those things on the street too. When I traded my 135 for my 1M it felt like a night and day difference in feel and behaviour. I am pretty sure those differences are present in any M vs. Non-M comparison.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by Rat_House

Not sure why you seem so butthurt over my assertion but yeah im here all day. I guess youre a purist who likes to drive your stock automatic car, have it serviced regularly at the dealer, and probably have an EV as a second vehicle. Live a little…. A Porsche or Ferrari are great investment vehicles if you get the right options and spec.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not butthurt bro. Again, I didn't say anything bad about the 240i....I merely said it wasn't completely an apples to apples test and that you can always find someone with a less expensive car that can perform almost as well as a more expensive car. I think you're confusing me with the other posters.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by 10"

Have you experienced many M cars?

They are not about straight line speed. Their steering is way sharper, the suspension geometry way better, and then feel so much more planted than a Non-M car.

Easy to benefit from those things on the street too. When I traded my 135 for my 1M it felt like a night and day difference in feel and behaviour. I am pretty sure those differences are present in any M vs. Non-M comparison.

F10/F80/F82/F87C/G80

Is that enough?

[Rat_House]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not butthurt bro. Again, I didn't say anything bad about the 240i....I merely said it wasn't completely an apples to apples test and that you can always find someone with a less expensive car that can perform almost as well as a more expensive car. I think you're confusing me with the other posters.

Hahahaha I think you’re the one confused. I mentioned absolutely nothing about a 240 or m2, all I said was the b58 is a great engine swap candidate. Go read a book… the most arrogant ppl are always the most ignorant.

[XC3LLR8]

Originally Posted by 10"

Have you experienced many M cars?

They are not about straight line speed. Their steering is way sharper, the suspension geometry way better, and then feel so much more planted than a Non-M car.

Easy to benefit from those things on the street too. When I traded my 135 for my 1M it felt like a night and day difference in feel and behaviour. I am pretty sure those differences are present in any M vs. Non-M comparison.

Not sure that’s a safe blanket statement? Sure the M240 can be purchased with runflat 225’s up front that won’t do any wonders for performance handling, but I doubt the ZTK package lags too far behind the new M2 on a figure-8.

Unfortunately, both cars are pigs with limited steering feedback; the M2 just happens to be more of a pig with a little more feedback.