[NPTM]

Kind of crazy to think how far Mustangs have come to even be considered a comparison to an M car…inferior build quality, 100%…but what Ford has been able to accomplish for the money is respectable.

I’m a BMW guy at heart, my garage is covered in heritage M memorabilia…on one side is an M2CS. Was close to putting an M3 Lime Rock Park in the other side…wanted an N/A high revving V8 with a 6MT. After 6 months of deliberation, I got a 350R, and couldn’t be happier with the experience. 8250 red line in a flat plane crank 5.2L. Interior, meh. Build quality, OK. But the interaction points, the driveline, 10/10. An American GT3 RS for 1/3-1/4 the price. Once you get on throttle, the plastic dash becomes complete irrelevant. Best manual I’ve ever driven, best sounding V8 I’ve ever heard, and the handling/brakes are better than my CS.

I love both cars - I don’t care who makes them or what’s on the logo, I care about t what they are, how they make me feel, and how they perform. And both of the experiences to me are epic. To call top of line Mustangs rental cars at this point in the models evolution is laughable…doesn’t have to be for you, but can definitely acknowledge that these machines are no longer the straight line cars they were!

[Mavus]

Drove GT and could not get used to the long hood and it being relatively high all the way to the front end. It’s a boat. And interior is garbage. None of the carpets and soft coverings were installed correctly or fit well. I can only imagine defects under the skin. No desire to ever consider it again. Respect for gt350 drivetrain and that’s it.

[Bahn360Photo]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I have a 911 and hardly anyone says anything to me when I drive it. When I’m in the M2. I get thumbs up from other drivers, people compliment the M2, ask all kinds of questions or strike up conversations. I am surprised how many people know what an M2 even is as sort of a niche car. This morning, some guy wanted me to visit his boat dealership because he had a similar white/black speedboat and take photos of them together. I was like well I’m on my way somewhere else but thanks….stalker?

Of course
Bmw M is enthusiast dream
Porsches don’t have as big of following
M2 is relatively rare compared to other M models.

I get some reaction and I also do the same to other M drivers

[Bahn360Photo]

Originally Posted by Year's_End

Garbage? Lmao

Besides tramlining, it feels no different than a GT on public roads. Nothing trumps a good sounding engine, good steering feel, good brakes, good suspension tuning, and a good manual on a public road

Unless you want more refinement, but then you have to drive like you want to go to jail to have fun

I was using it in example sense.
It is very different on the steeet, engine sounds etc is good no question.
Sound isolation in the cabin is terrible, it’s good for track car but not for street.
It gave me a headache in less then an hour driving it.
Most people don’t daily it for this reason.
Believe it or not gt500 is way more pleasant street car then Gt350

[Dave07997S]

The times for the Mustang are slow due to the altitude. The M2 would have won regardless

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

You 100% didn’t read what I wrote. It was identifying current American "muscle" cars as an actual (old school) American muscle. What American manufacturers are producing now are wanna be luxury cars with high numbers powertrains. Sorry but that is not an American muscle car.

If you're seriously comparing an American car's interior and quality to that of a European's, now that us comical. You need to get the stars and stripes out of your vision (and feel).

Okay you win. You know more about modern American muscle than me, even though I owned a 6th gen 1LE for 3 years as a daily driver, took it to a few racetracks, and now have owned an M2 for 3 years.

[ToneM2]

Originally Posted by DrewNewM2

I am weird as well. I was looking at GT350s, Mach1s, G80, Supra, Cadillac Vs, used Z06… I’ve owned a bunch of Modified Subarus too. I like all different cars

Those were some of the same cars I also considered before deciding on the G87.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

I ordered a manual T 18 months ago, and estimated delivery date about now. Sometimes I wonder if I made the right choice to back out… then I read comments like this and feel better.

OTD was $156k (tax, fees, dealer PPF on top of a $143k MSRP) which climbed to $162k after a price hike.

I backed out because every time I drove a base 992 I found it suboptimal to the M3. It’s possible to go bare bones on the T at $135k+ OTD. But is it worth the premium? I’m not convinced. And I have driven 20k miles on my weekend car since then, so I wouldn’t be immune to depreciation on the 911. Then there’s the issue of insurance and maintenance… bottom line, the M2 or M3 are a great value.

Your problem was you were buying a base 992 with a “T” instead of moving up to an S. At $156k you should’ve definitely moved up the 992 chain.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Carefree

Dollar for dollar the G87 is one of the best, if not the best, new performance cars available today!

You’re not wrong either..

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

Of course
Bmw M is enthusiast dream
Porsches don’t have as big of following
M2 is relatively rare compared to other M models.

I get some reaction and I also do the same to other M drivers

Ehhhh, I don’t know that to be true. There are levels to this enthusiast game. You are crazy to think Porsches don’t have as big a following. Those enthusiasts over there are rabid.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Ehhhh, I don’t know that to be true. There are levels to this enthusiast game.
You are crazy to think Porsches don’t have as big a following.
Those enthusiasts over there are rabid.

💯

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You’re problem was you were buying a base 992 instead of an S. At $156k you should’ve definitely moved up the 992 chain

Agree. T has a bunch of sporty elements that make it more appealing than the base 992, but not the upgraded engine. My S build with mostly the same options was closer to $170k OTD. Might as well go GTS…. Trust me I went round and round on this and in the end failed.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Ehhhh, I don’t know that to be true. There are levels to this enthusiast game. You are crazy to think Porsches don’t have as big a following. Those enthusiasts over there are rabid.

Rabid, sometimes snooty, increasingly obsessed with “spec,” but mostly -in my experience at least- down to earth and loving their cars. Not driving them enough but that’s a different issue

[G30M]

Originally Posted by NPTM

I got a 350R, and couldn’t be happier with the experience. 8250 red line in a flat plane crank 5.2L. Interior, meh. Build quality, OK. But the interaction points, the driveline, 10/10. An American GT3 RS for 1/3-1/4 the price. Once you get on throttle, the plastic dash becomes complete irrelevant. Best manual I’ve ever driven, best sounding V8 I’ve ever heard, and the handling/brakes are better than my CS.

wait ... handling of a fat monster better than M2CS?

is the Dark Horse as good? same redline? i've been eyeing one, i like traction control assisted drifting - does it have a "MDM" mode that assists with going sideways like the G80/82?

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by stark_c

I honestly don’t think normal people cross shop mustang with M cars. Either you do German or you do American muscle.

Actually there are a lot of us American muscle owners are looking at the M2. Especially when a fully loaded S650 Mustang is knocking on the door of the price of a base M2. I for one have an S650 on order as well as an M2. My previous ride...just sold her waiting for my M2.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Agree. T has a bunch of sporty elements that make it more appealing than the base 992, but not the upgraded engine. My S build with mostly the same options was closer to $170k OTD. Might as well go GTS…. Trust me I went round and round on this and in the end failed.

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Rabid, sometimes snooty, increasingly obsessed with “spec,” but mostly -in my experience at least- down to earth and loving their cars. Not driving them enough but that’s a different issue

The same can be, and often is, said about the BMW community. Hell, a good segment of the Porsche community started with BMW’s. lol! I do agree the BMW ///M guys drive their cars more, but an ///M is also more useable for daily driving. I drove all of my ///M’s daily. My 992 is an “every once in awhile” adventure, but what an adventure it is.

[jas165]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Hmmm! I get a ton of comments, curious onlookers and thumbs up gestures in my 911. Like anything else it depends on the overall presentation/spec. My crazier colored ///M cars received much more attention than the subdued ///M cars I have owned. A black or white 911, for example, isn’t going to shine as bright in the public sphere like a Python Green, Chalk/Arctic Gray or Ruby Star 911 will. The colors are just more interesting. The ///M2 also looks bold(er) and it has odd angles that catch people’s eyes. Depending on your 911 and the spec, they’re almost boring to some people.

What are the three slashes before the ‘M’ supposed to denote?

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by jas165

What are the three slashes before the ‘M’ supposed to denote?

The three color stripes of the "M" car logo.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

The three color stripes of the "M" car logo.

I thought that was pretty obvious myself as I’ve been typing it that way on this forum for almost 2 decades. Thanks for clarifying that for our fellow member. Maybe I’ll add the colors going forward.

///M

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by jas165

What are the three slashes before the ‘M’ supposed to denote?

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I thought that was pretty obvious myself as I’ve been typing it that way on this forum for almost 2 decades. Thanks for clarifying that for our fellow member. Maybe I’ll add the colors going forward.

///M

He must’ve missed my signature 🤣

[Dinosoar]

They're similar, yes. However, the trouble the Mustang has is you have to cope with a Ford dealership...oh, and it's made by Ford.

I've had many, many Mustangs over a long, long period. And, I still have my track car, a 2008 Mustang GT. However, I just couldn't deal with Ford dealers anymore.

BMW M2, for the win.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Dinosoar

They're similar, yes. However, the trouble the Mustang has is you have to cope with a Ford dealership...oh, and it's made by Ford.

I've had many, many Mustangs over a long, long period. And, I still have my track car, a 2008 Mustang GT. However, I just couldn't deal with Ford dealers anymore.

BMW M2, for the win.

Why I generally agree with you regarding Ford dealers. My local Ford dealer here in S. Cali, South Bay Ford is pretty good. Well I should clarify, my guy at S.Bay Ford is good. I am in and out of the dealership and get treated really good.