[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by ourlee

Poverty spec S new ($88.5)

Nothing wrong with that. You get ab allocation? Nice! Its great to be able to spec put your car. Everytime I spec one I cross the $100k threshold and then I start to think “do I really want to spend this much money on a car?”. I then cower like a little girl and run away.

Good for you man, happy for you! Cayman is an awesome car.

[Montaver]

Having had two GT4’s they are incredible, but there’s no way I’m spending $90k on a 4 cylinder Cayman. You could get a very lightly used 4.0 GTS for that money.

[JABCAT]

I've got to be honest I don't understand all the comments about the M2 steering being "numb". Granted I don't track my cars, but I have owned over 40 different vehicles, most of which being high-performance, and the M2 in the sport setting doesn't feel much different than most of them when it comes to steering.

My weekend fun car is a 2011 Callaway supercharged Carbon Edition Z06. It has the Z07 ultimate performance package (ZR1 components) and is basically the track version of the C6 Corvette. Driving it & my M2 "spiritedly" on the same curvy country roads, there is obviously more feel, better handling in the Z06 at speed, but the M2 is almost as fun to drive. I actually prefer the thicker wheel in the M2 as well, and I have a custom wheel in my Z06.

The M2 goes where I point it to go, and gives plenty of feedback that I know what the car is doing. I honestly feel all these "numb" comments are born out of youtube reviewers using that term and people just repeating it.

[chrisg123]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

I've got to be honest I don't understand all the comments about the M2 steering being "numb". Granted I don't track my cars, but I have owned over 40 different vehicles, most of which being high-performance, and the M2 in the sport setting doesn't feel much different than most of them when it comes to steering.

My weekend fun car is a 2011 Callaway supercharged Carbon Edition Z06. It has the Z07 ultimate performance package (ZR1 components) and is basically the track version of the C6 Corvette. Driving it & my M2 "spiritedly" on the same curvy country roads, there is obviously more feel, better handling in the Z06 at speed, but the M2 is almost as fun to drive. I actually prefer the thicker wheel in the M2 as well, and I have a custom wheel in my Z06.

The M2 goes where I point it to go, and gives plenty of feedback that I know what the car is doing. I honestly feel all these "numb" comments are born out of youtube reviewers using that term and people just repeating it.

Thx. This s what I want to hear. Hopefully I’ll be able to test drive a manual one. Hopefully it has more steering feel than the m4. I drove a new mamual
M4 tge other day and the steering was numb and disconnected.

[ourlee]

Originally Posted by Montaver

Having had two GT4’s they are incredible, but there’s no way I’m spending $90k on a 4 cylinder Cayman. You could get a very lightly used 4.0 GTS for that money.

Nope still 100. And if I go to 100, it’s 991.2 T
I’ll also add I didn’t dig the 4.0 on my 30 minute test drive. All the “epic” noise happens at go to prison speed cause of the dumb ass gearing. I come from tuned GTIs, sportwagens and a 17 TT. I LOVE a fat street turbo.
https://www.cars.com/shopping/result...min=&zip=19709

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by ourlee

Nope still 100. And if I go to 100, it’s 991.2 T

Yeah CPO 4.0s are still pushing $100k or close to it.

I always loved the look of the 991.2.

[ourlee]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

I've got to be honest I don't understand all the comments about the M2 steering being "numb". Granted I don't track my cars, but I have owned over 40 different vehicles, most of which being high-performance, and the M2 in the sport setting doesn't feel much different than most of them when it comes to steering.

My weekend fun car is a 2011 Callaway supercharged Carbon Edition Z06. It has the Z07 ultimate performance package (ZR1 components) and is basically the track version of the C6 Corvette. Driving it & my M2 "spiritedly" on the same curvy country roads, there is obviously more feel, better handling in the Z06 at speed, but the M2 is almost as fun to drive. I actually prefer the thicker wheel in the M2 as well, and I have a custom wheel in my Z06.

The M2 goes where I point it to go, and gives plenty of feedback that I know what the car is doing. I honestly feel all these "numb" comments are born out of youtube reviewers using that term and people just repeating it.

It’s a super luxurious car, that’s the vibe I got on my 30 minute test drive (car had a few thousand miles on it)

[ourlee]

Originally Posted by Montaver

Having had two GT4’s they are incredible, but there’s no way I’m spending $90k on a 4 cylinder Cayman. You could get a very lightly used 4.0 GTS for that money.

I don’t dig the 4.0. Dead on the street at 3k rpms, where you’ll be all the time, or in the back seat of a cruiser. The 4 cylinder hate is misguided and silly, similiar to the save the manuals monkeys.
Would you pay 100k for a 4 cylinder AMG Emira?

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

I've got to be honest I don't understand all the comments about the M2 steering being "numb". Granted I don't track my cars, but I have owned over 40 different vehicles, most of which being high-performance, and the M2 in the sport setting doesn't feel much different than most of them when it comes to steering.

My weekend fun car is a 2011 Callaway supercharged Carbon Edition Z06. It has the Z07 ultimate performance package (ZR1 components) and is basically the track version of the C6 Corvette. Driving it & my M2 "spiritedly" on the same curvy country roads, there is obviously more feel, better handling in the Z06 at speed, but the M2 is almost as fun to drive. I actually prefer the thicker wheel in the M2 as well, and I have a custom wheel in my Z06.

The M2 goes where I point it to go, and gives plenty of feedback that I know what the car is doing. I honestly feel all these "numb" comments are born out of youtube reviewers using that term and people just repeating it.

The true question is what feedback are you aware of before and what vehicle and rack type. Same for the CDV placebo effect. The test drivers / pro drivers setting an amazing time on a given circuit is not getting out of the M2 cursing BMW for the CDV or the steering lol. Get a non power steering sports rocket for 'feedback'. Everything else is more or less 'artificial' design.

[Montaver]

Originally Posted by ourlee

I don’t dig the 4.0. Dead on the street at 3k rpms, where you’ll be all the time, or in the back seat of a cruiser. The 4 cylinder hate is misguided and silly, similiar to the save the manuals monkeys.
Would you pay 100k for a 4 cylinder AMG Emira?

I wouldn’t pay $100k for a 4 cylinder anything…

Turbo punch is fun on the street, no disagreement there. It’s a big part of the M2’s charm. But at $65k the M2 offers a lot more than the Cayman does. 4 cylinder engines can be good, it’s not about ‘hate’. I’d take a new Z4M manual with the B58 for $75k over any 4 cylinder Cayman. But these are all toy cars at the end of the day, buy what makes you happy. I’m just giving my perspective having driven 20k miles across both gen GT4’s.

[ourlee]

Was the GT4 fun on the street? (be honest) my 718 will be a 4 season (DE) daily only car with wife’s SUV as backup

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

I've got to be honest I don't understand all the comments about the M2 steering being "numb". Granted I don't track my cars, but I have owned over 40 different vehicles, most of which being high-performance, and the M2 in the sport setting doesn't feel much different than most of them when it comes to steering.

I honestly feel all these "numb" comments are born out of youtube reviewers using that term and people just repeating it.

Agree with this. Before my M2C, I had a 2018 Camaro 2SS 1LE. Road & Track did a head-to-head comparison of these cars, and made these comments about the steering on each car:

1LE: "The steering manages that old 993-era Porsche trick of indicating tire slip through fine-grained motions at the rim despite having a relatively high assistance level. This is how it should be. Give us power steering or don’t, but please refrain from faking feedback by increasing the effort required."

M2C: "If the BMW’s brakes don’t quite inspire the same confidence as those fitted to the Camaro, and the steering feel is more PS4 than GT4, some of those deficiencies are balanced out by the widescreen visibility and peerless ergonomics."

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...camaro-ss-1le/

I'm in the same camp as JABCAT where I personally can't really tell much difference between the 1LE and M2. I've tracked both cars, but only do one HPDE event per year, so I'm mostly speaking from daily driver experience. To me, the numb steering comments are overblown, unless there are a lot more pro drivers here than I realize.

[Good 4 2 reasons]

Originally Posted by ourlee

Poverty spec S new ($88.5)

https://configurator.porsche.com/en-...ronment=studio

I too have a poverty spec CS in milestone three (status 150). I even have a VIN. This forum has me convinced I am going to ultimately be dissatisfied with the steering feel and shifter in the 6 speed, which is the entire reason I am upgrading from my G42 m240.





https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PR224844

[robopp]

Originally Posted by Good 4 2 reasons

I too have a poverty spec CS in milestone three (status 150). I even have a VIN. This forum has me convinced I am going to ultimately be dissatisfied with the steering feel and shifter in the 6 speed, which is the entire reason I am upgrading from my G42 m240.





https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PR224844

Just seeing this brings back TYD nightmares. 7 boats in Emden stopping at my US port with zero explaination from PCNA then two guarantees from PCNA that I’ll get on the next boat to only miss those two too. They made it up to me in the end, but damn was that experience frustrating.

[Good 4 2 reasons]

Originally Posted by ourlee

Nope still 100. And if I go to 100, it’s 991.2 T
I’ll also add I didn’t dig the 4.0 on my 30 minute test drive. All the “epic” noise happens at go to prison speed cause of the dumb ass gearing. I come from tuned GTIs, sportwagens and a 17 TT. I LOVE a fat street turbo.
https://www.cars.com/shopping/result...min=&zip=19709

If I had a dollar every time someone told me "that's GTS money" I would have enough money to buy a GTS.

Ultimately I feel like this is my last ICE only, manual sports car to buy before everything gets ruined. I drove a ton of new 2024 BMW's at BMWCCA MiX in April and I was left feeling really numb and dissatisfied, even with all the power. I even got to drive an XM for 30 minutes with something like 700 hp and it lacks that raw punchiness I immediately felt the first time I drove a Cayman S. On a race track, I am sure the capability of the M2 would shine, especially considering the price point. I've driven VW manuals for decades and the Cayman gearbox felt immediately comfortable unlike the BMW manuals I've test driven.

I don't like the new BMW dash wide screen (really reinforced that opinion test driving all those cars at MiX), the two screen cockpit pro on my '22 m240 is excellent.

This isn't a dump on the G87 post either, I love my m240, but I miss a manual.

Also this won't be a daily driver. If it were, I probably would have bought the G87. As a daily, it makes a lot more sense. I feel like I am not compromising as much for just a weekend car.

[Good 4 2 reasons]

Originally Posted by robopp

Just seeing this brings back TYD nightmares. 7 boats in Emden stopping at my US port with zero explaination from PCNA then two guarantees from PCNA that I’ll get on the next boat to only miss those two too. They made it up to me in the end, but damn was that experience frustrating.

Honestly I wish they had never added TYD for the Caymans. I would be better off not knowing "estimates"

[Montaver]

Originally Posted by ourlee

Was the GT4 fun on the street? (be honest) my 718 will be a 4 season (DE) daily only car with wife’s SUV as backup

It's an experience on the street, different from an M car. It's fun, but I wouldn't say its more 'fun' than a G87. GT4 is nimble, visceral, very connected, perfect inputs, sounds incredible (981 stock/718 Kline system), gets a lot of positive attention. Its a proper sports car, and fees that way all the time, the G87 feels much more like a regular car when you want it. The GT4 gearing is too long on the street, but it's fine on the track. The G87 is more fun in this regard as you can work the gearbox a lot more. I love NA engines for their top end, sound, and soul.. but punchy turbo is also an experience. If its one or the other I personally prefer NA.

If your looking for a daily though the G87 M2 is an excellent option. If you want 2 seats I'd look at the Supra. I would take both of those over a Cayman S every time. Given you want boosty fun I am surprised you would take a Cayman, it's a precision instrument not a hooligan car. A G87 or Supra are going to be much more boistrous on the street, have superior engines, for a lot less money.

[KC87ZB]

Originally Posted by chrisg123

Thx. This s what I want to hear. Hopefully I’ll be able to test drive a manual one. Hopefully it has more steering feel than the m4. I drove a new mamual
M4 tge other day and the steering was numb and disconnected.

You need to just walk away from the M2. It’s not for you since you are looking for such a track oriented car. Because if you are not I don’t get the constant comments about numb steering. Time to move on.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Montaver

It's an experience on the street, different from an M car. It's fun, but I wouldn't say its more 'fun' than a G87. GT4 is nimble, visceral, very connected, perfect inputs, sounds incredible (981 stock/718 Kline system), gets a lot of positive attention. Its a proper sports car, and fees that way all the time, the G87 feels much more like a regular car when you want it. The GT4 gearing is too long on the street, but it's fine on the track. The G87 is more fun in this regard as you can work the gearbox a lot more. I love NA engines for their top end, sound, and soul.. but punchy turbo is also an experience. If its one or the other I personally prefer NA.

If your looking for a daily though the G87 M2 is an excellent option. If you want 2 seats I'd look at the Supra. I would take both of those over a Cayman S every time. Given you want boosty fun I am surprised you would take a Cayman, it's a precision instrument not a hooligan car. A G87 or Supra are going to be much more boistrous on the street, have superior engines, for a lot less money.

I've only even driven a GT4 on track. It's tight and nimble, but I could tell from driving it on the track that it likely wouldn't be that much fun on the street. Being able to rev it to redline and go around hairpin turns is what put a stupid grin on my face in that car. But as you said, with normal everyday driving you're not going to be able to push it to those levels and it doesn't have as much torque.

[chrisg123]

Originally Posted by KC87ZB

You need to just walk away from the M2. It’s not for you since you are looking for such a track oriented car. Because if you are not I don’t get the constant comments about numb steering. Time to move on.

Don’t be butt hurt. Many people say it’s numb.

[chrisg123]

Originally Posted by KC87ZB

You need to just walk away from the M2. It’s not for you since you are looking for such a track oriented car. Because if you are not I don’t get the constant comments about numb steering. Time to move on.

I’m looking for a great car not track car. The f82 m4 had better steering feel.

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by chrisg123

I’m looking for a great car not track car. The f82 m4 had better steering feel.

Then why not get another one? Is that an option for you?