[Refujeet]

I don’t understand the hate for BMW doing this..or progressing on EVs.

If anything BMW took the most conservative/prudent approach and brought ice, hybrid and EV options, rather than going all in on any of them.

I have a gas (X7 v8), hybrid (x5) and fully electric (iX) bmw, and they are all great at their own thing. And it’s an obvious choice what we take depending on the use.

In my opinion it’s going to result in better outcomes for whoever is the winner. Living in a city where the temperature can fluctuate 60+ degrees Celsius in a year, I don’t think any one option is great…yet!

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by GearRex

I do have a problem of electrification by legislation, instead of free markets. Remove all incentives for electric cars. Let them compete on merit with ICE and Hybrids. Let the free markets decide.

Agree: get rid of all subsidies for oil and gas too. No leases on public land/waters, no patrolling the seas with warships, don’t allow externalized emissions of carbon dioxide, none of it.

[kamendex]

Originally Posted by ///Avera

Huh???!

You might want to do a little research on the topic . . . I mean VERY LITTLE will go a long way in clearing things up for you.

///Avera

P.S. I do not care who or what Elon supports

I see, you speak in bizarre riddles. Carry on bro.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by mbanck

The i4M in the YouTube video is a development mule, I don't think anybody confirmed thar an actual i4M GC is on the roadmap. In fact, no G26 successor seems to be on the roadmap at all AFAICT, the NA2/3 are supposed to be coupe/convertible...

Where do you have the "axed" info from, and do they apply, to the coupe or the GC?

M4 will be no more when the current model ends production

It will be the M2 and the M3 if you prefer 4 doors

I seriously doubt the i4 will disappear

[///Avera]

Originally Posted by kamendex

I see, you speak in bizarre riddles. Carry on bro.

Government officials and agencies can introduce policies and nefarious agendas, but they do not purchase the products they ‘encourage’ . . . and neither are the people who do

The people have spoken . . . and there is a new sheriff coming to town

I do not speak in riddles . . . you simply seem to have bit off more b.s. than you can chew

Get a helmet . . . road going to get bumpy for you

///AVM

[fanofbmwe46]

I hope my 2025 M2 manual can be kept running until my last breath. That way I never have to drive an EV.

[n55f15]

Originally Posted by hb

we will see something wild in a few months

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[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Refujeet

I don’t understand the hate for BMW doing this..or progressing on EVs.

If anything BMW took the most conservative/prudent approach and brought ice, hybrid and EV options, rather than going all in on any of them.

I have a gas (X7 v8), hybrid (x5) and fully electric (iX) bmw, and they are all great at their own thing. And it’s an obvious choice what we take depending on the use.

In my opinion it’s going to result in better outcomes for whoever is the winner. Living in a city where the temperature can fluctuate 60+ degrees Celsius in a year, I don’t think any one option is great…yet!

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

I hope my 2025 M2 manual can be kept running until my last breath. That way I never have to drive an EV.

Nothing lasts forever, but you can definitely buy whatever you want

Electric vehicles have their place in the equation

Simply vote with your wallet

[hb]

Originally Posted by n55f15

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Not even close. This will be cool

[kamendex]

Originally Posted by ///Avera

Government officials and agencies can introduce policies and nefarious agendas, but they do not purchase the products they ‘encourage’ . . . and neither are the people who do

The people have spoken . . . and there is a new sheriff coming to town

I do not speak in riddles . . . you simply seem to have bit off more b.s. than you can chew

Get a helmet . . . road going to get bumpy for you

///AVM

The new sheriff in town...is he going to stop EVs made in Europe?...I do not bite b.s...I think you are weird...why do you sign your name at the end when... its at the top...EV powertrains are part of the future...do M cars have 48v batteries...might have some screws loose...

///KMDNX

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Very nice. As long as it weighs significantly less then the new G90 M5, I'm "almost" all in on a quad motor EV M car. And the i4 with the G80 M3 front end doesn't looks half bad. At least on the camo. Looking forward to the next installment of this new video production series...

[Tallest]

Originally Posted by ///Avera

BMW wants you to believe . . . because they went all in on the agenda

Playing a game of chicken with "drill baby drill" . . . road conditions about to become 'ICEy' again

///Avera

Goddamn. But why is M3 losing to Model3 performance?

[techwhiz1]

[QUOTE=GearRex;31692950]Lease, lease, lease. NEVER buy an electric car.

The battery technology will improve, and we have a long way to go until it matures. Every new generation will be better than the last, making the new ones more desirable, and for those who bought their cars, the used car values will tank every time, and no one will want to buy used ones as long as new ones are being subsidized, and the tech is much improved.
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Well, buying an EV has advantages even though technology will improve. You could argue the same thing for ICE where gas mileage and performance improves.

I leased a Fiat 500e then a Chevy Bolt; both for my daughter. The latest Bolt we bought because the purchase price was better than buying the previous car off lease.

Battery technology has not changed in the last 8 years or so. Or at least not dramatically. We are all on the edge of our seats waiting for solid state battery anode issues to be resolved.

Even if they announce a fix in a laboratory; it's 4-6 years for commercialization and scaling for volume.

So that will be more than a decade with roughly the same battery tech.

My i4 isn't going to stop being a decent car when technology changes.

As someone working in the technology sector for 35+ years; if you wait for the next innovation, you will never stop waiting.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by ///Avera

'Capability', practicality, desirability, affordability, etc are all factors . . . the public has spoken clearly with a resounding 'no thank you'

BMW seems to be committed to an agenda they 'banked' on . . .

The path forward has already been proclaimed . . . 'drill baby drill'

///Avera

BMW and other German automakers have received hundreds of millions in EV subsidies from the German Government in the aftermath of VW Dieselgate. Don't be a moron. US market is no longer the most important market for BMW.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

Agree: get rid of all subsidies for oil and gas too. No leases on public land/waters, no patrolling the seas with warships, don’t allow externalized emissions of carbon dioxide, none of it.

I agree, get big oil of the teet they have been on for a generation.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by n55f15

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Dead! According to BMW.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Refujeet

I don’t understand the hate for BMW doing this..or progressing on EVs.

If anything BMW took the most conservative/prudent approach and brought ice, hybrid and EV options, rather than going all in on any of them.

I have a gas (X7 v8), hybrid (x5) and fully electric (iX) bmw, and they are all great at their own thing. And it’s an obvious choice what we take depending on the use.

In my opinion it’s going to result in better outcomes for whoever is the winner. Living in a city where the temperature can fluctuate 60+ degrees Celsius in a year, I don’t think any one option is great…yet!

Simple. A large segment of the population does not give a damn about AGW and they're consequently turned off by the government mandated push towards electrification along with all the associated trade offs of high price, steep depreciation, and poor cold weather performance.

[B58-M340iX]

I'm debating on whether I should just bite the bullet and move on from ICE, or just get on the bandwagon. We have about another 10 years of new ICE sales before the hammer really comes down. Maybe I'll at least get some of those home charger tax credits. More and more it looks like my trade up from my M340 will be electric - as much as I absolutely love the rumble of the B58

Originally Posted by Tallest

Goddamn. But why is M3 losing to Model3 performance?

Nothing a little E can't help with

[Aalfred]

Originally Posted by Tallest

Goddamn. But why is M3 losing to Model3 performance?

Not really a comparison. M3P costs about half the price of the M3 and it caters to a different audience. Its like asking why the BMW 3 series is losing out to a Corolla. I dont think EV’s can be the sole car at this stage esp in the US where distances are long and charging infrastructure is not great. Almost all of us who own an EV prob have an ICE back up in their garages. Maybe in 5-10 yrs that might change. But trying to force everyone to adopt the EV will backfire and companies are now slowing down the transition and trying to offer hybrids and keep ICE going to make sure everyone gets what they want. Its one of the reason EV adoption has tanked a people are not confidant that an EV will work for them at the current time. The only reason the M5 has battery is to comply with the German govt regulations. How much it helps save pollution and the environment is out there. So in paper it complies with the mandate but really doesnt do much for the environment.

[///M TOWN]

I am personally looking forward to my first drive in the quad e motor ///M

It’s going to be absolutely epic… I have zero doubt in my mind

[Nahlem]

I am so exited what BMW can pull off now that they are investing a lot in R&D for their EV lines, if anyone can BMW can and Porsche can pull of a proper drivers cars in EV form.

I have said it many times BMW should put all of their resources they can or at least 70-80% of the R&D in to EVs while the rest of the budget keep improving their ICE engines on the emissions side until they are phased out. Sense performance wise BMWs engines are beasts as is.

They should be able to develop EV drivetrains for those who wants more driver engagement and those who simply just wants an one pedal drive experience.

The i4 m50 is still their best selling M-Models out there. So they obviously hit a cord with that one not surprised they are using that one as a base for development, while aiming for M2 driver engagement.

But my god how much cables is there in that car Geeeeez imagine a rat getting in there chewing on something! The cost to fix that would be nightmare but then again this is a prototype lets hope they scale down some of the craziness in the production unit. We need less expensive stuff to fix not more when the car breaks witch it obliviously will as any car sooner or later .

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Nahlem

I am so exited what BMW can pull off now that they are investing a lot in R&D for their EV lines, if anyone can BMW can and Porsche can pull of a proper drivers cars in EV form.

I have said it many times BMW should put all of their resources they can or at least 70-80% of the R&D in to EVs while the rest of the budget keep improving their ICE engines on the emissions side until they are phased out. Sense performance wise BMWs engines are beasts as is.

They should be able to develop EV drivetrains for those who wants more driver engagement and those who simply just wants an one pedal drive experience.

The i4 m50 is still their best selling M-Models out there. So they obviously hit a cord with that one not surprised they are using that one as a base for development, while aiming for M2 driver engagement.

But my god how much cables is there in that car Geeeeez imagine a rat getting in there chewing on something! The cost to fix that would be nightmare but then again this is a prototype lets hope they scale down some of the craziness in the production unit. We need less expensive stuff to fix not more when the car breaks witch it obliviously will as any car sooner or later .

The wiring will be very minimalist and all known separated systems will be integrated into one

This is going to be absolutely the very best of BMW ///M

I am excited for what’s ahead