[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by Jack White

Bio-med is always hiring technicians, engineers, and other skilled workers. For me, I always focused on specialized knowledge, such as electronics/ mechanics. I don’t have a degree but have always had a job in a highly technical field. Have a look at technical jobs, if you’re interested in that type of thing. I’ve yet to see a job market that isn’t hiring technically skilled people. If I were to do it over again, I’d go for a trade school program or technical degree.

If you enjoy working with your hands in an industry that isn’t going anywhere, this is a great suggestion. Can try biomed and work your way into imaging. I had a team of 30+ engineers and all but some early-in-their-career guys were making $100k+/yr in the Atlanta metro market. I don’t think there was anyone I started that was making <$75k/yr base. And they all got tons of OT, company car, commissions on up-sells, incentive plans, etc.

Someone mentioned military. That’s one regret I have is that I didn’t go into the military. Paid-for training/education and significant residual benefits over time. Probably half of my engineers were in the military and got into this field as a result of.

Don’t be afraid to “step down.” I was the operations manager for an industrial company overseeing North America. I wanted a change up, and I went backwards on my resume to be an engineer again in a different industry. There was nothing better to get hands on in the industry, show my worth, and climb the ladder to where I wanted to go. In less than four years, I got to the position I wanted in a much better ability as a result.

Since you have the bachelors, have you considered getting an associates to compliment in alignment to your goals? I’m not pushing the higher education button; I am very, very experience over education when I’m hiring. You’re young (so am I), go get what you want…just don’t expect it tomorrow.

[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by soldes

Trying to stay away from politics, but a few of the rationals were as follow:

- Higher tariffs will prompt businesses abroad, to establish a presence in the US ==> no tariff, reduces the prices of those goods, more jobs for American workers

- Higher tariffs may prompt the reconsideration of those countries, to buy more American products and good ==> more production, lower prices for Americans as well as more jobs.

- The stock market, which doesn't give 2 hoots about politics, have reacted to his policies by climbing up, instead of the pessimistic approach, that these measures will hurt our economy.

You saw his announcement yesterday of the new AI businesses that are going to be established here in the US.

Just a few observations, from a non business savvy citizen, but time will tell...

Originally Posted by floridaorange

You missed how everything is so energy and fuel cost dependent.

Agreed, this has nothing to do with politics - its economics. And its just me not really seeing how a country that decides to tariff certain (or all) goods is going to wind up seeing a decline in the price of those goods.

Let me break down Soldes post, because I appreciate what he said, but again, I'm still not certain I understand it.

1. - Higher tariffs will prompt businesses abroad, to establish a presence in the US ==> no tariff, reduces the prices of those goods, more jobs for American workers

My response - I would agree that if the tariffs are significant enough, that may very well encourage businesses to establish a presence in USA in order to avoid the tariff (assuming of course they believe the tariff will be around long enough to justify the investment of setting up shop in USA). However, I had always assumed one would tariff goods that were able to be imported (from another country) cheaper than they could be made domestically in order to encourage domestic production of those goods (presumably at a lower cost than the imported, but tariffed good). Does that seem reasonable? If so, domestic production would have to advance quick enough, and scale significantly enough that they could actually not only beat the tariff price, but actually beat the pre tariff price of the good in order to actually lower costs for all Americans. I feel like that's a tall order, because if it could be done, then why hasn't someone already made the investment and is just killing the imports already? Further, there is general human greed to consider - as long as the domestic producer beats the price of the tariffed good (but perhaps doesn't come down the the original price of the good pre tariff), generally speaking, people will still purchase domestically. Albeit it at a higher price.

I do agree that there would be more jobs for Americans however, which has a ripple effect on the economy, but I'm not certain this ripple effect would outweigh the potential overall increased cost of that good for all consumers.


2. - Higher tariffs may prompt the reconsideration of those countries, to buy more American products and good ==> more production, lower prices for Americans as well as more jobs.

My response - Since tariffs are paid by the importer (ie in this case some company in the US that is importing the tariffed good), why would another country outside the USA care about tariffs? If for example France wanted to buy a good from Mexico or Canada that was tariffed by USA, the tariffs don't apply to France and they don't have to pay them. This assumes that Mexico or Canada is able to ship the good to them and it doesn't have to pass through the USA, but let's assume that to be the case in this hypothetical scenario. I don't see why any country would purchase more American products in the advent of tariffs. The only incentive they would have, which they have already pre tariff, is to purchase from whomever sells it the cheapest. Whether that's USA, Canada, China, Germany etc.

Stock market point - I agree - it has gone on an uptick. I can't explain the market to be honest. Anytime I think I might know how things will behave, it tends to go the opposite. I might just be dumb. But in general, I'd say the market does support your point - at least for now. Then again, tariffs aren't in place yet, so time will tell.


floridaorange Agreed - things are very energy dependent. But how quickly can you scale? Drilling is one thing, but it takes time and infrastructure to handle any increased volume. I was reading an article about all the recent investments on the US side of the Canada border, specifically around Alberta where corporations have invested billions recently to handle Canadian heavy crude. Seeing as how we are selling it as such a discount. But if that tap turns off because it gets tariffed, does the US produce heavy crude? Can that infrastructure get retooled at a low cost to handle light if thats what USA produces? I don't know the answers, but I suspect we are talking a timeline in years, not months. If so, it could be painful for the average US consumer I would think?

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

If you enjoy working with your hands in an industry that isn’t going anywhere, this is a great suggestion. Can try biomed and work your way into imaging. I had a team of 30+ engineers and all but some early-in-their-career guys were making $100k+/yr in the Atlanta metro market. I don’t think there was anyone I started that was making <$75k/yr base. And they all got tons of OT, company car, commissions on up-sells, incentive plans, etc.

Someone mentioned military. That’s one regret I have is that I didn’t go into the military. Paid-for training/education and significant residual benefits over time. Probably half of my engineers were in the military and got into this field as a result of.

Don’t be afraid to “step down.” I was the operations manager for an industrial company overseeing North America. I wanted a change up, and I went backwards on my resume to be an engineer again in a different industry. There was nothing better to get hands on in the industry, show my worth, and climb the ladder to where I wanted to go. In less than four years, I got to the position I wanted in a much better ability as a result.

Since you have the bachelors, have you considered getting an associates to compliment in alignment to your goals? I’m not pushing the higher education button; I am very, very experience over education when I’m hiring. You’re young (so am I), go get what you want…just don’t expect it tomorrow.

Well said. Another successful story about joining the military. I spend my twenty to early thirty with the army. Free training, education and traveling to many countries. When I retire from the army, it only took me 3 months and land the perfect job that I was working until today in the IT field as a system architect. My boss who hired me at the time what a retire army colonel. He told me he know what to expect from me

[Maynard]

1) skip the politics please. Just cancel your account, it's quicker than waiting for the mods to do it for you.

2) OP might reconsider changing his field - anything where a degree is 'just a piece of paper' is going to be on the bubble over the next couple of decades (e.g. business, management, marketing; how long until we just start ordering cars for a set price?). Look into a career path where you actually deliver a valuable service or knowlege (e.g. biotech/medical tech, manufacturing, trades, etc.). Not to put sales down, it just isn't something that is really necessary and there are a ton of people already more experienced at it. Get a nursing degree and you can pretty much write your own ticket, but that isn't everybody's forte. Probably similar tracks within trades/tech.

[chassis]

Originally Posted by Mosaud1998

I'm honestly having a hard time finding a new job. I've been looking for about a year and have had little luck landing one. I've had a few good opportunities, but the companies ended up going with someone who has more experience or just blatantly ghosting.

I'm 26 years old, and I've been in the sales industry for about 6 years now. I was a used car manager for about 1.5 years until Ford decided to take the Ford ticket from the owners, resulting in the dealership shutting its doors. Ever since that happened, I've had a hard time finding a new job that isn't selling cars or any kind of sales gig.

I don't even know where to look anymore or what kind of jobs to apply for. I got my bachelor's while working as a used car manager. I got a B.S. in technical management. I've had 2-3 interviews with General Motors for a district sales manager position, 1 with Honda for a district sales manager position, and 1 with J.D. Power for a software implementation manager role (I for sure thought I got the job since I had 3 interviews with different people. They ended up going with another guy with more experience).

I get sales job offers, but I want out of sales. Kind of feel like giving up looking for a new job. It's becoming stressful.

Time to hustle. As you are experienced in sales, you know how to do this.

Job seeking is a numbers game. Submit a high number of applications.

Today your full time job is to find a job. Wake up every morning at the same time and put in four consecutive, diligent, hours searching and applying. Spend an hour every afternoon following up on emails and submitting another application or two. Make 5-10 phone calls every day to people in your network to let them know you are looking for a job.

Do all of these things every day until you have a signed and accepted offer in your hands.

[bucketfoot]

Originally Posted by floridaorange

Get any job while you are looking for the job you want. That way you aren’t desperate.

This...

My neighbor with tons of senior level experience is working at Home Depot while between jobs.

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by chassis

Time to hustle. As you are experienced in sales, you know how to do this.

Job seeking is a numbers game. Submit a high number of applications.

Today your full time job is to find a job. Wake up every morning at the same time and put in four consecutive, diligent, hours searching and applying. Spend an hour every afternoon following up on emails and submitting another application or two. Make 5-10 phone calls every day to people in your network to let them know you are looking for a job.

Do all of these things every day until you have a signed and accepted offer in your hands.

I've been waking up at 5 am for the past year~. Apply to a couple of jobs every morning. Whether it's on LinkedIn, Indeed, Monster, etc.

Just gonna to keep doing this until I land a job.

[dreamingat30fps]

Another option since it seems you are not working and should have plenty of time on your hands. Start your own business. You already know the sales side, which at least IMO is one of the hardest parts. Plenty of resources out there on starting a business. Maybe partner with someone who can handle the product/service side... although I'm personally not a huge fan of partnerships.

[MaxVO2]

****If you have marketable skills you will be able to land a decent job if it is in an industry needing people. Right now, Bio-Tech is huge, as is Nursing. Both very lucrative but do require education - sometimes significant education if you wish to advance.

However, if you want to do something different and are comfortable using a diagnostic laptop, have some decent critical thinking skills, and are somewhat mechanically inclined - strongly consider going into residential elevator repair/service.

Omg, after training - which you get paid for with a decent stipend - starting wages in my area are $80k, no college degree, benefits, 401k, company van, etc.. The fellows that service my home elevator (I have a service plan), come out twice per year to check and test the battery backup system, lube the chains, tighten some bolts, and check the safety mechanisms, etc.. There are usually two guys, and one is a trainee/helper. Maybe an hour or so at my home and they go to another home, usually in my neighborhood.

The lead guy makes bank considering no college at all, pulling in $150k+, working indoors, no real heavy lifting, etc.. mostly just fixing things and ordering/installing replacement parts on residential elevators which are much smaller than commercial ones. They are union jobs and they can't find enough people and are always seemingly backed up with work. They work neighborhood to neighborhood most weeks and also do service calls in addition to warranty or checkup work. Their office makes appointments often months in advance and coordinates areas so they are in the same area/neighborhood a few days or weeks.

Anyway, just something else to consider. There aren't many jobs that realistically pay that kind of money with no college degree except for some sales jobs, but that requires a skillset many people simply do not have and there is a LOT of pressure to perform or you're tossed. Not everyone can be a top producer.

Different skillset but in wealthier/well to do areas no question an option very few people even seem to know about.

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Another option since it seems you are not working and should have plenty of time on your hands. Start your own business. You already know the sales side, which at least IMO is one of the hardest parts. Plenty of resources out there on starting a business. Maybe partner with someone who can handle the product/service side... although I'm personally not a huge fan of partnerships.

I am currently employed. I couldn't sit at home and be a bum. Just looking for a better opportunity. I'm tired of sales.

[gtr2M3]

This may sound out there but maybe try a trade?

They’re always sought after and demand is only going up. This also opens up the opportunity to become a business owner along with all the perks… if you find yourself a niche you like

Being an apprentice costs nothing

The segment to eventually be in is high end. It can pay very well if you differentiate yourself. I can tell you from experience that the bar is very low for what is considered to be good work

PS my mother hated that I quit a good paying job “with a future” when I was 21 to go install custom car stereos which was my passion at the time. That led to doing other AV things(which is considered a residential trade btw), making some incredible friends, riding in an PJ from time to time and now we occasionally reminisce about how ridiculous she was.

Parents just want the best, often the safest path for their kids but sometimes they get in the way, don’t let your parents get in your way

[wizardofOz]

Originally Posted by Mosaud1998

I've been waking up at 5 am for the past year~. Apply to a couple of jobs every morning. Whether it's on LinkedIn, Indeed, Monster, etc.

Just gonna to keep doing this until I land a job.

Don't forget to do some physical exercises aswell during hours when you are not job hunting..

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by wizardofOz

Don't forget to do some physical exercises aswell during hours when you are not job hunting..

The first thing I do when I wake up is pray the morning prayer before the sun rises then work out. I job search after breakfast. I apply to maybe 5~ jobs a day roughly.

I've had jobs call me and ask for interviews. But, it's sales jobs. The salary is lower than what I am making right now, so taking the new opportunity to do the same thing and drive further would make no sense. I wouldn't mind driving 45~ min and doing something else with the same pay.

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by gtr2M3

...The segment to eventually be in is high end. It can pay very well if you differentiate yourself. I can tell you from experience that the bar is very low for what is considered to be good work...

This right here. I don't care what trade it is, but it is next to impossible for a)them to communicate and b)provide work that shows pride.

If you can put out a good product and at a minimum communicate, you would have the best ____ out there. Concrete, asphalt, landscaping, tree work, pest control... I don't care what it is, it is abysmal right now.

I'm trying to get quotes to either concrete or asphalt some areas around the property. I've probably contacted a dozen contractors. One came out and measured, but provided a quote that was nearly double what others have been paying in the area. Another came out and measured, but have ghosted me since. That's it. 8% of all contractors I've contacted have even given me a quote. 80%+ won't even return a phone call.

[iX nOOky]

If sales is what you love then keep at it, assuming you may need to move to find a better job market. If you have some other passion and can find a way to make money doing it this might be the kick in the ass you need. You're apparently starting out fresh at the bottom again anyway.

[kudos]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

You can always check out gummint jobs.

Not anymore. Government isn't hiring anyone, stopped anyone already in process of being hired by Executive Order, and is also forcing agencies to take a look at probationary employees.

[MaxVO2]

Originally Posted by kudos

Not anymore. Government isn't hiring anyone, stopped anyone already in process of being hired by Executive Order, and is also forcing agencies to take a look at probationary employees.

***I live in the D.C. area and the above is true. Complete hiring freeze except I think the military. It will continue until the new administration puts their people in place including new cabinet members, etc.. that need to be confirmed by the Senate.

Remarkably, the gym I go to has *noticeably* fewer people in it now in the mornings (basically business hours) after the EO signed requiring Feds return to the office. There are many people in my area that work for the Federal government directly or as consultants, etc..

The change in traffic patterns was noticeable almost immediately the day after the EO was signed. MUCH more traffic heading into areas with significant government employment in and around D.C.

No idea how long this will be in effect for. Many people I know who work for the Federal government have not had to be in the office since before Covid, or only perhaps once per week, or even once per month, etc... Several actually moved kind of far away thinking they would tele-work forever and are now apparently required in the office far away from their new home five days a week. Super long commute now.

Amazing. Very very noticeable change in my area.

[M3Sleeper]

Originally Posted by soldes

Unless your family owns the business, the jump from a regular salesman to District manager is almost impossible to get, without a college degree and/or extensive experience. Even though is hard to work and study at the same time, additional schooling never hurts and will make your resume and qualifications more attractive to employers/interviewers.
Do it now that you have youth, and not so many bills and responsibilities, it will pay off in the long run.

I would have to politely disagree anyone who produces significant results especially in sales can make a big income and move into District sales manager position it happens all the time. The top paid people are usually high production by nature.

It's possible they were not sold on you. It's a nice thing to say we took another person with more experience.

Now for you If you don't like sales you still need to sell yourself.

Tell people you are looking for work and put your self out there as much as possible. You absolutely will figure out a way just keep pushing. Your job is to find a job. You're in sales until you find a new job. You're selling yourself.

Just an update I saw your Asian and didn't love school. I dropped out as well I own 4 companies now.

Don't worry you will make your parents proud the time will come my brother.

[M3Sleeper]

Originally Posted by Watching The World Burn

From everything I read, his main plan seems to be tariffs which will actually increase the cost of household goods? Is there something I missed which will actually lower the cost?

Yes you're missing lower taxes for small businesses and individuals which will indirectly lower costs.

Oil is opened up that will dramatically lower ALL costs of Goods maybe they won't go down right away but we won't see 30% increases in 2 years like we had with Biden.

Not to mention Tarrifs have several factors that influence buying for larger companies and small businesses. I think twice before ordering out of China vs USA for my businesses.

Trump will reduce regulations on small businesses, free up healthcare dollars, free up waste, cut money going offshore, help American companies.

This is the tip of the iceberg. Just watch for the truth don't watch TV

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by kudos

Not anymore. Government isn't hiring anyone, stopped anyone already in process of being hired by Executive Order...

True for federal jobs, but states, counties, and municipalities are not impacted by the federal hiring freeze and have plenty of opportunities available.....

[kudos]

Originally Posted by MaxVO2

***I live in the D.C. area and the above is true. Complete hiring freeze except I think the military. It will continue until the new administration puts their people in place including new cabinet members, etc.. that need to be confirmed by the Senate.

Remarkably, the gym I go to has *noticeably* fewer people in it now in the mornings (basically business hours) after the EO signed requiring Feds return to the office. There are many people in my area that work for the Federal government directly or as consultants, etc..

The change in traffic patterns was noticeable almost immediately the day after the EO was signed. MUCH more traffic heading into areas with significant government employment in and around D.C.

No idea how long this will be in effect for. Many people I know who work for the Federal government have not had to be in the office since before Covid, or only perhaps once per week, or even once per month, etc... Several actually moved kind of far away thinking they would tele-work forever and are now apparently required in the office far away from their new home five days a week. Super long commute now.

Amazing. Very very noticeable change in my area.

One of the goals of making federal govt employees return to office is they quit.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by Mosaud1998

The first thing I do when I wake up is pray the morning prayer before the sun rises then work out. I job search after breakfast. I apply to maybe 5~ jobs a day roughly.

I've had jobs call me and ask for interviews. But, it's sales jobs. The salary is lower than what I am making right now, so taking the new opportunity to do the same thing and drive further would make no sense. I wouldn't mind driving 45~ min and doing something else with the same pay.

I haven't read all the posts so forgive me if you've covered these points already:

You got your degree recently. What degree did you get? What college? Does the college have a career center?


Do you have a Linkedin account? If so, is your information up to date and presented professionally? Have you worked on increasing the number of Linkedin connections you have?

You say you've been searching for new job for a long time. That is certainly discouraging and frustrating. Is there any chance your frustration is coming through to your potential employers though your correspondence with them or during your face-to-face interviews? I'm happily retired now but I've interviewed hundreds of candidates over my career. One of the red flags for me was interviewees who were complaining about how hard the process was or how they deserved a higher-level position instead of focusing on the job in question and convincing me why they were the best candidate for it.


As others have said, be prepared to take a job that's not your perfect spot just to get yourself established in a non-sales role. Someone mentioned project management as a possibility for you. I think that's a great idea. Being on a project management team, even if it's entry level, gives you plenty of exposure where you can demonstrate first hand your talent and drive.

I agree that it's hard getting that right job these days. I don't buy for a moment that it used to be easy to get a job and now it's impossible. So, don't give up. Keep the job you have. Try to figure out why you haven't been successful landing that perfect job so far. Be honest with yourself. Make adjustments if necessary about how you present yourself to potential employers

Keep pushing and don't give up. You've got this. Please report back and let us know how it's going.

All the best!