[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

Doubling down on the stupid, I see. That’s never a good plan.

You’re wrong on this one. But I actually think you know you’re wrong.

About what am I wrong? I haven't made any claims. You, on the other hand, still haven't provided actual support to your claim. You saying it, doesn't make it so.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by JIO

The only thing BMW lies about the M2, besides the HP number, is the website says the M2 has “lane centering”, which it does not. I still can’t believe with all the cameras, the M2 doesn’t have it. Driving on the highway on a long trip, I would love to have that feature. My wife’s Honda Accord has it as standard equipment.

My 2025 does. I turned it down to its lowest setting. It will nidge me if I get too close to any lane markings.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by rlampare

Dude, great post you’re funny. I see that you’re new here… I think you’ll find most people here are not that funny. I think they’re mostly like engineers and doctors. Keep it up. I enjoyed reading your humor.

What, looks don’t count?!

[ajchoi]

I don’t really care about this ongoing argument in this thread but you aren’t going to be able to tell the difference of 20 hp to a 450+ hp car. I don’t care what anybody else says, I drove a 2025 back to back with my 2024 and could not “feel” a major difference. The auto with the extra torque is probably a different story but the manual making 20 more hp and same torque feels the same when driving.

Y’all can argue all day over frickin 20hp but anybody with a 2025 manual saying zomggggg my car is so much faster and better is just insecure or something. I’d also argue if you’re that worried about 20hp maybe you should take a driving school and figure out how to use the rest of the 450+

[jmg]

Honestly, I’d rather get lighter forged wheels and aluminum panels than the 20hp.

[RobM2]

Originally Posted by jmg

Honestly, I’d rather get lighter forged wheels and aluminum panels than the 20hp.

Same.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by ajchoi

I don’t really care about this ongoing argument in this thread but you aren’t going to be able to tell the difference of 20 hp to a 450+ hp car. I don’t care what anybody else says, I drove a 2025 back to back with my 2024 and could not “feel” a major difference. The auto with the extra torque is probably a different story but the manual making 20 more hp and same torque feels the same when driving.

Y’all can argue all day over frickin 20hp but anybody with a 2025 manual saying zomggggg my car is so much faster and better is just insecure or something. I’d also argue if you’re that worried about 20hp maybe you should take a driving school and figure out how to use the rest of the 450+

It's less than a 2% difference and I agree you won't feel it.

BMW always rates low, so a 2024 car might be as powerful as a 2025. 2% is within the margin of error

We agree.

[Ilikemike]

Originally Posted by Aaronsbimmer

The cons are kinda stupid.
1. Optional carbon fiber seats are too stiff? Then don't waste 5 grand on them.
2. Manual shifter rubbery? what did you expect, its a BMW, at least a manual is still available.
3. Front-end looks unfinished? That's your opinion. I think it looks really good.

I had my F87 shifter modified (Auto Solutions short shift kit in Kansas) to remove the ‘Fisher Price’ feel and it was great, The cost was around $500 Canadian plus the installation cost but 100% worth it as the modification transforms the car when you’re driving it. Personally I didn’t notice any difference in the effort of the ’throw’ and very happy with the results. I don’t know why BMW keeps on with the cheap feeling shifters rather than offering an upgrade.

[rbrantis]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

Doubling down on the stupid, I see. That’s never a good plan.

You’re wrong on this one. But I actually think you know you’re wrong.

MULTIPLE people in this thread have said they did the LCI flash and didn't notice a difference after you claimed "literally every owner" did. Either post the "research" that supports your claim or drop it, lmao.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

It is real. Do some research instead of blabbing out this tired fake argument. People with pre-‘25 cars get flashed with the 2025 LCI tune all the time.

You’re about 6 months behind the curve.

It is NOT real. My'23 car and many others on this forum others dynod at 469-472. 452 was a purposeful and typical BMW under-reporting.

[hoyasaxa]

Originally Posted by jmg

My 2025 does. I turned it down to its lowest setting. It will nidge me if I get too close to any lane markings.

That’s not lane centering you’re describing. You’re describing lane departure. Lane centering means you can take your hands completely off the wheel and the car will remain in the dead center of the lane without ping ponging back and forth.

[BroDoze]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

About what am I wrong? I haven't made any claims. You, on the other hand, still haven't provided actual support to your claim. You saying it, doesn't make it so.

Nice try - you’re claiming BMW is lying - prove it.

All the evidence shows you’re FoS. Yet here you are.

[BroDoze]

Originally Posted by ajchoi

The auto with the extra torque is probably a different story…

It is. Huge felt difference. Whole power curve feels different. Yes I’ve driven autos back to back, so have others, after getting theirs flashed. If you can’t feel a 20HP increase in your MTs, fine, I can see that. The torque is a different story, which you wouldn’t feel, obviously.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

Nice try - you’re claiming BMW is lying - prove it.

All the evidence shows you’re FoS. Yet here you are.

Dude, go back and read everything I posted in this thread. I never once claimed they were lying. I said nobody has provided back-to-back dynos on the same car, under the same conditions pre/post flash. To my knowledge, that is a factual statement.

You on the other hand continue to make unsupported claims, claims that have been proven false by actual owners who have had their car flashed. All the evidence shows, you have no evidence. "I think my car is faster" is not supporting evidence.

[JoeAyalaM]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

It's less than a 2% difference and I agree you won't feel it.

BMW always rates low, so a 2024 car might be as powerful as a 2025. 2% is within the margin of error

We agree.

Since
20 is 4.44% of 450. I am curious about; How old are you? Are you healthy?
Where did you learn math? Do you know how to use the calculator in your phone?

[Winrya]

Whilst I imagine the bump in power and torque is probably not going to make that much difference (although 10% in torque is a fair chunk), to say they’d claim an increase over the 24 car when there isn’t one in the this world is crazy. Maybe something they’d get away with 25 years ago.

In the UK at least they’d be breaking the law saying the car has these increases over the previous model and it not actually being there. 100% there is at least 20hp and 50nm increase over the 24 car

[BroDoze]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

Dude, go back and read everything I posted in this thread. I never once claimed they were lying. I said nobody has provided back-to-back dynos on the same car, under the same conditions pre/post flash. To my knowledge, that is a factual statement.

You on the other hand continue to make unsupported claims, claims that have been proven false by actual owners who have had their car flashed. All the evidence shows, you have no evidence. "I think my car is faster" is not supporting evidence.

Holy cow you’re dense.

Double-down on the stupid.

[JoeAyalaM]

This tread has gone downhill, rude at least.

I hope people would understand the huge difference between fact and opinion.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by JoeAyalaM

Since
20 is 4.44% of 450. I am curious about; How old are you? Are you healthy?
Where did you learn math? Do you know how to use the calculator in your phone?

🤣
No I'm fine and it was a typo and I wasn't paying close attention.

[ajchoi]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

🤣
No I'm fine and it was a typo and I wasn't paying close attention.

All I’m saying is I dare anybody to ask their significant other if they feel a…2-4% difference 😂

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

Cons are definitely iDrive & not coming with forged wheels like the other M cars.

I had a 2021 F87 M2C and the biggest reason I wanted to trade it for a G87 was for the big curved screen and the tech. Everyone's different. Once the LCI was announced for the 2025, I waited for that. I'd have been just as happy with a pre-LCI but might as well have the new steering wheel and iDrive 8.5, so I waited. My son-in-law just got a 2023 M340i with iDrive 8, and I definitely prefer the new features and layout of 8.5.

But if you mean iDrive replacing the physical buttons and knobs, I do get that. Loved the 8 programmable buttons and physical climate control system on the F87 - don't understand why they got rid of it.

[tareemaa]

Originally Posted by Aaronsbimmer

lol, these should be the cons
1. Parking Lot Anxiety – You park miles away from other cars, but somehow, a 2001 Corolla still parks right next to you.
2. People Assume You’re a Street Racer – Even if you're just commuting to work, every Honda Civic with a fart can will try to race you.
3. Police Radar Auto-Locks Onto You – Even if you’re not speeding, the M2 just looks guilty.
4. Your M2 Becomes Your Personality – At this point, your social media bio might as well just say "M2 Owner."
5. Grocery Bags No Longer Stay in One Place – Buy eggs? Say goodbye. Your trunk is now a blender.

This is Epic…