[donho]

Originally Posted by adobeee

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...BaL/story.html

Though Mieses is a Massachusetts resident, he has never had a valid Massachusetts driver’s license for a passenger vehicle and has never applied for a motorcycle license, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said.

Registry records show that Mieses applied for a learner’s permit in 1999 and 2000, but that he never obtained a full license because he failed to pay fines imposed after he was ticketed for speeding in Lawrence in 1999. His last contact with the Registry was in 2001, when he obtained an identification card, registry records show.

Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.

In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show.

Idiot shouldn't have been riding in the first place.

I am sure no one assumed he was anything but a scumbag.
What was he doing in NYC on a bike? I hope he goes to prison and gets gang raped. Then he can feel just how helpless Lien was when surrounded by all of them

[Chihuahua]

NYC is an absolute sewer, and this is why I rode with no more than two other people on every ride I ever went on.

[turbolag]

Originally Posted by donho

I was thinking what I would have done in that situation and I can say, THE SAME DAMMED THING!!!

except my X5M probably would not have been able to drive over those jerkoffs as easily as that RR. I have to give credit to RR for a badass SUV. I think I would have been stuck after 1-2 scumbags. But if I wasn't, I would have crashed and ran into as many of them as possible. You want to have mob/pack mentality, then I deserve to defend myself and I will drive over as many of them as possible to protect my family.
You see what the end result of him stopping and them attacking. He is beat the hell up, they slashed up his face in front of his wife and kid. they were not looking to pull him over to exchange insurance or wait for police. Another thing, how come the ONLY call to the police came from Lien??? NONE of the mob mentality biker called?? Why???

The best part is the doucehbag that filmed and posted the video. like he would show a "road rage" incident. But infact was showing how a group became like wild animals and threatened, harassed and the BEAT and guy. They have two animals in custody now, they are looking for a third. I hope they find EVERYONE involved, either from the video or from guys snitching. and the judge throws the book at them.

Animals deserve to be in cages!

+1

Those guys were assholes. End of.

[335ifanatic]

Nothing but a bunch of thugs on bikes.

[cjwb1984]

These bikers on that day and most probably a lot of days acted like idiots. I hate these speed racers wannabe, if you want to go haul your inner Nicky Hayden. GO TO THE TRACK. They knew what they're doing. I hope the DA charged all of these people to the fullest extent of the law in NY. As for that happening, we have an incompetent NYC DA, and I don't think it will happen. But thats a subject for a different day.

For that person who hanged out with these motorbike group on that day, and got badly injured. I don't feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for what your actions did to your family. You paid for the consequences of your actions dearly. Hanging out with these people. Knowing clearly what your going to do in the public.

Your an idiot who put yourself in that position, and put your family into the position it is today. For the family, blame your idiot son, husband for putting you and the whole family in this whole mess.

[COBodom]

This incident and the fact how some try to put some blame/responsibility on the RR driver remind me of those stories with teenagers shooting at the police officers.

It's always the same song, a teenager runs waving a gun and shooting left and right then he gets shot by the police and now crowds come to the streets telling the story of how unjustified the shooting was.

As always, the minor detail that a teenager started the shooting and was terrorizing the neighborhood somewhat gets missed.

Its very simple, if you threaten a man's family, he will protect the family and will try to get them out of harm's way by any means.

The RR driver shouldn't be charged with anything. The instigators of the incident should be found guilty.

[M3 Pilot]

Lets not be too quick to bunch up a few bad apples....... ok maybe it was a really large apple tree in NYC that day.

I'm sure there are responsible bikers who also frown upon this incident.

Having said that, I'm glad the biker did not die so that him and his family have to bare the burden and suffer from his stupidity.

Some people on this planet just aren't allowed to reproduce with their morally flawed genes. Even a cancer patient has fundamental superior genes than these people.

Common sense would have dictate that you don't fk with a father/husband whose wife and 2 yr old kid is in the car. When surrounded by over 50 bikes, what do you think his survival instinct is going to tell him ?

The driver hit the rider(idiot) and you think 50 of his mates are going to hold hands with the driver and skip together over a mountain and into the sunset ? This isn't cartoon network man.

Did you think the driver wanted to run those bikers over ? Oh because it will set a great example and be good experience for the 2 yr old child to watch his/her parents being beaten right ?

Strength in numbers ?

50+ Vs A father, his wife and 2 yr old child. Yup great job man.

[Robert]

Real thugs wouldn't back down. They should do it again this weekend

[Sandye90m3]

I don't really know what to say, but I know for a fact that bikers have a really bad reputation on the road and even worse when they are riding in a pack.

Initially, I was 100% against the biker and 100% for the RR but after looking at the situation and digesting the fact that the person in RR ran over 3 people and the way he did it, I can't justify his action.

At the same time, I don't really know what happened in the first scene after he stopped and was confronted by bikers. At that point, I don't think he was at fault as the biker brake checks him. How bad of a situation would it have been if he stepped out, and apologized and showed somewhat of sympathy towards the guy who got hit and got on the phone with the ambulance? Would he have gotten beat up as he did afterwards? Or would they have understood that it wasn't his fault after all and that he is being proactive about the situation?

I highly doubt if the RR driver got out and called medical emergency that situation would have resulted in a beating. I think a lesson that we should take away from this is that we shouldn't elongate a situation to an extent where it becomes this bad. Take in consideration the case where the Nissan GTR hit a 94 year-old bicyclist a couple of months ago. Even if that individual was intoxicated, the Nissan GTR wouldn't have been in such a big problem as it resulted when he fled the scene. The same logic could be used in this situation.

Then again, when people are in crowds (bikers in this case) everyone turns into a "macho". And having said that, when you are put into that situation, your reactions change dramatically.


I'm not trying to offend anybody's opinion here, I'm just putting my opinion out there and make a debate.

[SaMaster14]

Originally Posted by Sandye90m3

I don't really know what to say, but I know for a fact that bikers have a really bad reputation on the road and even worse when they are riding in a pack.

Initially, I was 100% against the biker and 100% for the RR but after looking at the situation and digesting the fact that the person in RR ran over 3 people and the way he did it, I can't justify his action.

At the same time, I don't really know what happened in the first scene after he stopped and was confronted by bikers. At that point, I don't think he was at fault as the biker brake checks him. How bad of a situation would it have been if he stepped out, and apologized and showed somewhat of sympathy towards the guy who got hit and got on the phone with the ambulance? Would he have gotten beat up as he did afterwards? Or would they have understood that it wasn't his fault after all and that he is being proactive about the situation?

I highly doubt if the RR driver got out and called medical emergency that situation would have resulted in a beating. I think a lesson that we should take away from this is that we shouldn't elongate a situation to an extent where it becomes this bad. Take in consideration the case where the Nissan GTR hit a 94 year-old bicyclist a couple of months ago. Even if that individual was intoxicated, the Nissan GTR wouldn't have been in such a big problem as it resulted when he fled the scene. The same logic could be used in this situation.

Then again, when people are in crowds (bikers in this case) everyone turns into a "macho". And having said that, when you are put into that situation, your reactions change dramatically.


I'm not trying to offend anybody's opinion here, I'm just putting my opinion out there and make a debate.

That is an interesting observation. But if you see, the bikers automatically get off their bikes, some surround his car (before he runs over the guy) and some even put their bikes in front of him so he can't move.

At that point, imo, I'm thinking my family and I are about to be forcibly dragged out of my car and attacked, so I am bluetooth calling the police and getting the hell out of there regardless of how many bikes I hit in front of me. These guys were looking for a fight - and they are complete idiots thinking that a break check wouldn't result in that first bike getting hit...

[ScarecrowBoat]

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

I'm not defending the riding by the riders or any riders in general, i'm saying you can't just run over people and not see any consequences from it, whether it was justified or not.

Know both sides of the story.
http://motoinked.com/2013/10/01/medi...riders-in-nyc/

Really? You can't run somebody over even if it was justified? He has a 2 year old in the car and some nuts just slammed on the brakes in front of him then started attacking his car. They surrounded him. They attacked him. They instigated the entire ordeal with a brake check that resulted in an accident. I agree that his actions seem drastic, but honestly, what would you have done? Gotten out of your car to talk to the men wielding knives?

EDIT: I like how the motoinked.com article you referenced says that he started it because he hurled obscenities at them. "No officer, we were trying to fight him because he called us mean names!"

[dtwyim]

Originally Posted by donho

Another thing, how come the ONLY call to the police came from Lien??? NONE of the mob mentality biker called?? Why???

That's because there is no blue tooth on their bikes and we all know how unsafe it is to ride and talk on the phone

[Devious21]

Originally Posted by dtwyim

That's because there is no blue tooth on their bikes and we all know how unsafe it is to ride and talk on the phone

lol. I get that this was facetious but can't help restate the fact that these guys had completely stopped traffic and were standing in the middle of the highway.

I think at this point it would be safe to use your phone

[Devious21]

Originally Posted by Sandye90m3

I don't really know what to say, but I know for a fact that bikers have a really bad reputation on the road and even worse when they are riding in a pack.

Initially, I was 100% against the biker and 100% for the RR but after looking at the situation and digesting the fact that the person in RR ran over 3 people and the way he did it, I can't justify his action.

At the same time, I don't really know what happened in the first scene after he stopped and was confronted by bikers. At that point, I don't think he was at fault as the biker brake checks him. How bad of a situation would it have been if he stepped out, and apologized and showed somewhat of sympathy towards the guy who got hit and got on the phone with the ambulance? Would he have gotten beat up as he did afterwards? Or would they have understood that it wasn't his fault after all and that he is being proactive about the situation?

I highly doubt if the RR driver got out and called medical emergency that situation would have resulted in a beating. I think a lesson that we should take away from this is that we shouldn't elongate a situation to an extent where it becomes this bad. Take in consideration the case where the Nissan GTR hit a 94 year-old bicyclist a couple of months ago. Even if that individual was intoxicated, the Nissan GTR wouldn't have been in such a big problem as it resulted when he fled the scene. The same logic could be used in this situation.

Then again, when people are in crowds (bikers in this case) everyone turns into a "macho". And having said that, when you are put into that situation, your reactions change dramatically.


I'm not trying to offend anybody's opinion here, I'm just putting my opinion out there and make a debate.

Reginald Denny did nothing wrong and he got a brick to his head to reward his compassion for an angry mob.

Trying to reason in unreasonable circumstances can get you killed. If I had a 2 year old, I wouldn't be rolling dice on the chance that MAYBE these Bikers are amicable young men. Especially since the preceding 10 minutes had involved them intimidating and provoking him.

[SoLo]

Bikers boys watching to much Mad Max...

[-Wingman-]

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

I love how the media has twisted this to have everyone favor the Range Rover. Before the video started the range rover hit another biker, and the biker in the beginning of the video was trying to get him to stop because he was trying to plow through the mob of bikers, instead of letting them pass like every other car that day. The guy that got run over is now in a medically induced coma and will be paralyzed from the waist down for the rest of his life, he can't walk his baby daughter down the aisle when she gets married. I'm not defending the actions of the bikers who pursued him, all i'm saying is i would have done the same thing. The RR driver should be charged for attempted manslaughter for even trying to charge through the mob of motorcyclists.

The stupid ass driver put himself in that situation, the motorcyclists didn't "mob" or "gang up" on him, until he ran their friend over and started being a douchebag to them.

By the way, i have several friends that were all part of the ride that day.

[-Wingman-]

I hope the guy in the Rover is ok, along with his family. I could give zero fucks about most of the bikers, though.

From what I understand, the biker gang provoked the driver by continuously blocking the road where the driver eventually accidentally hit one of the bikers because he kept getting brake checked. I guess they got pissed because the 5000 lb land rover couldnt stop on a dime like the feather weight bike during the brake check, and they tried to confront the driver. From there on, we can see the main event of the video where the guy takes off and runs over the bikers.

If I was in that same situation, I would have done exactly the same, maybe even worse just because I have a seriously bad temper. I honestly was praying the whole time that the driver would swerve back and forth on the road wiping out all of the bikers, but I didn't realize his family was in there until I read the description of the video. Then I was hoping the driver had a pistol in his car at the end.

I hope every one of the faggots, especially the guy bashing the window in gets whats coming. It is my belief that people like that who act with such violence must be treated with equal or greater violence.

[Bx Tpr]

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

By the way, i have several friends that were all part of the ride that day.

I also 'know' some of those dirtbags in that mob. Same scumbags that left one of their own on a parkway up north decapitated and exploded all over the roadway because they were 'stuntin' at 100+mph and decided to kiss a guard rail. Same oxygen thieves that ride around with bikes stolen from honest human beings, stolen plates and suspended licenses. I've seen these dirtbags drive right into parked cars and just leave without calling cops. Those f$&bags are lucky they didn't run into a few wound up off duty NYPD cops who would've sprayed them with 9mil rounds. The driver of the Range should be awarded for showing restraint. Anyone else would've put a bike into a cement barrier every quarter mile.

[Efthreeoh]

So we all know the range rover has several different terrain settings: Ice/snow, mud, dirt, etc. I wonder if Ranger Rover will add a "Moto-Crisis" mode.

[Glina]

RR bikers attack Prius driver

[peepayy_91]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

So we all know the range rover has several different terrain settings: Ice/snow, mud, dirt, etc. I wonder if Ranger Rover will add a "Moto-Crisis" mode.

If they do, I would hope BMW would follow suit. Moto-X-Drive

[donho]

Originally Posted by -Wingman-

I hope the guy in the Rover is ok, along with his family. I could give zero fucks about most of the bikers, though.

From what I understand, the biker gang provoked the driver by continuously blocking the road where the driver eventually accidentally hit one of the bikers because he kept getting brake checked. I guess they got pissed because the 5000 lb land rover couldnt stop on a dime like the feather weight bike during the brake check, and they tried to confront the driver. From there on, we can see the main event of the video where the guy takes off and runs over the bikers.

If I was in that same situation, I would have done exactly the same, maybe even worse just because I have a seriously bad temper. I honestly was praying the whole time that the driver would swerve back and forth on the road wiping out all of the bikers, but I didn't realize his family was in there until I read the description of the video. Then I was hoping the driver had a pistol in his car at the end.

I hope every one of the faggots, especially the guy bashing the window in gets whats coming. It is my belief that people like that who act with such violence must be treated with equal or greater violence.

They got him!
http://news.yahoo.com/da-motorcyclis...213733153.html