[kyrix1st]

I hope insiders can confirm DCT will not be available at all for future M models, so some like myself can move on to different propositions.

[IllSic_Design]

Yeah I think the new M2 will be my next car/first M.

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by IllSic_Design

Yeah I think the new M2 will be my next car/first M.

Me too!

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I hope insiders can confirm DCT will not be available at all for future M models, so some like myself can move on to different propositions.

I think DCT is pretty much a dodo at this point, maybe just maybe it'll drop in a GTS type special edition but those will be a lot of $$$ and a big price to pay just for a DCT. I'll tell you one thing for certain, G87 won't look as good as F87 judging by 2 series leaks

[NickyC]

Ugh, the rear sliders again. Please kill this horrific fad BMW is obsessed with.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

I think DCT is pretty much a dodo at this point, maybe just maybe it'll drop in a GTS type special edition but those will be a lot of $$$ and a big price to pay just for a DCT. I'll tell you one thing for certain, G87 won't look as good as F87 judging by 2 series leaks

I understand, but I do value insiders' info on this. Confirmation of no-DCT in the future will be a deciding factor for my next car purchase.

[Game]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Me too!

Me three. Well maybe

[six75LT]

ZF8? ///marketing strikes again

[IllSic_Design]

Originally Posted by six75LT

ZF8? ///marketing strikes again

I'd hope they will stick with a DCT since they are not going to be giving it AWD and they stated in that last article that this will be the most M vehicle to date, so that should hopefully mean sticking with DCT.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by IllSic_Design

I'd hope they will stick with a DCT since they are not going to be giving it AWD and they stated in that last article that this will be the most M vehicle to date, so that should hopefully mean sticking with DCT.

Pretty much zero chance. The software effort would be > 0 because BMW has no S58 applications that mate with DCT. It would require a lot of testing and development that they don't want to do. The M2 will be far lower volume than M3/M4, so if you didn't see one there, you won't see one in the M2.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Ugh, the rear sliders again. Please kill this horrific fad BMW is obsessed with.

BMW and others just buy whatever Brembo's current system is and Brembo works with them to customize it for their application. I believe Mercedes and Audi are using sliding rear calipers now too in a lot of high performance models because Brembo has pushed them in this direction. The reality is that even though it looks ugly, you can see the braking performance is improved in G8x. It helps them be able to use the electronic parking brake, too.

If you think about it, a single piston slider was good enough for E92 M3 front brakes. They weren't the best brakes, but that front caliper was doing a hell of a lot more work than the rears here. Saves weight too.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by IllSic_Design

I'd hope they will stick with a DCT since they are not going to be giving it AWD and they stated in that last article that this will be the most M vehicle to date, so that should hopefully mean sticking with DCT.

Yeah I don't see any chance that the M2 gets a DCT. ZF8 is just too easy from a supply chain perspective and too good from an objective performance perspective that it wouldn't make sense to appease a couple of us old heads kicking and screaming for DCT.

Plus philosophically speaking, if BMW paired S58 with a DCT, they would then have to answer the question as to why they are keeping the redline low at 7200 when DCT can easily handle the 7600 engine limit. If they raise it on a mass production model like an M2, the M3/4 & X3/4M owners will be up in arms.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by chris719

BMW and others just buy whatever Brembo's current system is and Brembo works with them to customize it for their application. I believe Mercedes and Audi are using sliding rear calipers now too in a lot of high performance models because Brembo has pushed them in this direction. The reality is that even though it looks ugly, you can see the braking performance is improved in G8x. It helps them be able to use the electronic parking brake, too.

If you think about it, a single piston slider was good enough for E92 M3 front brakes. They weren't the best brakes, but that front caliper was doing a hell of a lot more work than the rears here. Saves weight too.

I did watch a DIY to change the rear pads on this new e-brake single piston caliper and it is a bit more of a pain than the rears on cars prior. But yeah, outside of looking kind of strange/funny, it clearly can do the job

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I hope insiders can confirm DCT will not be available at all for future M models, so some like myself can move on to different propositions.

You may as well move on now as it's going to be a ZF8. Porsche or low level Audi or VW's are the last stops for volume DCT's.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Unlike Current Model, 2023 BMW M2 to Get 50:50 Weight Distribution

Great to hear that they are working on keeping the M2 the driver's choice of the lineup. Wide fenders, smaller dimensions, normal grills, manual, and the S58 should make a great package.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Great to hear that they are working on keeping the M2 the driver's choice of the lineup. Wide fenders, smaller dimensions, normal grills, manual, and the S58 should make a great package.

I think it'll be great, but I question the importance of this weight distribution, personally. It's always felt like an arbitrary statistic. Especially since it matters where the moment is. F/R is way too vague to tell you where that weight is.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by chris719

I think it'll be great, but I question the importance of this weight distribution, personally. It's always felt like an arbitrary statistic. Especially since it matters where the moment is. F/R is way too vague to tell you where that weight is.

Agree, I hope though that since they are focusing on weight distribution that it will go further into other elements, especially the weight since the previous M2 was a bit porky.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

You may as well move on now as it's going to be a ZF8. Porsche or low level Audi or VW's are the last stops for volume DCT's.

Not interested in Audis other than R8 so there is only one way.

I still would appreciate insiders' clarification on DCT availability. They have never been clear about this.

[Mingwan]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

You may as well move on now as it's going to be a ZF8. Porsche or low level Audi or VW's are the last stops for volume DCT's.

Cant forget KIA/Hyundai.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Mingwan

Cant forget KIA/Hyundai.

Well yeah but I assume the poster may not opt for a Veloster N and I'm not sure I would trust it given class action lawsuit filed against their DCT's.

[zx10guy]

Having had to live with a DCT in my 1'er, I say bury the DCT. So far I've seen nothing but problems with DCTs used in cars that are daily drivers or have to deal with stop and go/slow traffic situations.

If they put out a model that is strictly track focused, then I can see a DCT showing up there. But for a car that will see daily driving in non track situations, no way would I want a DCT.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Having had to live with a DCT in my 1'er, I say bury the DCT. So far I've seen nothing but problems with DCTs used in cars that are daily drivers or have to deal with stop and go/slow traffic situations.

If they put out a model that is strictly track focused, then I can see a DCT showing up there. But for a car that will see daily driving in non track situations, no way would I want a DCT.

The DCT on my M2 is a great transmission. Works much better than the Z8 in my M235i.

But BMW is not using DCTs in any Gxx cars or SUVs.