[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Yeah CLAR is used for everything from the new 2 series to the 7 series and X7.

It wasn't used for F80/F82 M3 and M4 or F87 M2. It was used for F90 M5.

Think of this car as a 2 door M5.

But all kidding aside, the Supra is on CLAR and it weighs 3400 pounds. So I think the added weight has to do with the cooling for the S58 engine as well.

Yes, I'm thinking of cooling, increased chassis rigidity, bigger dimensions and, of course, 4 seats instead of 2, which requires more safety measures for the rear passengers.
In Europe we only have the 340 hp version, so in terms of performance the gap between the Supra and the M2 is quite big, cannot be competitors.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by cj0817

It's not that bad. I think we need to stop being drama queens. Is the previous gen nicer? Perhaps. But you can say the same thing about the M3/4, and now look, good luck getting one. I wish it had more color options. Would love to see Thundernight on it.

Agree. I still think it's an attractive car (minus the rear), but in my mind the F87 is a better design. I'm probably biased because I own one lol. BUT if I was in the same spot now as I was in 2016 in terms of the type of car I was looking for I would 100% buy this. It's just not out of this world different enough to warrant an upgrade to me.

[lens]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

This is ridiculous.

Nah, it's the truth, and people need to stop being BMW bias.

It's ugly IMO, and I'm not gonna defend BMW on it.

If you or other people like it, then you like it.

Just don't expect the majority of people to, and expect alot of the same comments if you own one.

Originally Posted by cj0817

It's not that bad. I think we need to stop being drama queens. Is the previous gen nicer? Perhaps. But you can say the same thing about the M3/4, and now look, good luck getting one. I wish it had more color options. Would love to see Thundernight on it.

Or we can all stop being bias towards BMW and call them out on their crappy designs so they can improve?

Their engineering department is doing fine with the engine and tech, but their aesthetic department needs a kick in the ass, remember the big sniffers on the 3/4 series? they got so much crap for it, that the new LCI, they changed the grills back to something better looking.

[Dav3]

Car looks better than the leaks but still looks weird

Wouldn't bother upgrading to this from an older M2/1M

[ronin13013]

Its ridiculous that YOUR HERE!!

Originally Posted by chaungo

Nah, it's the truth, and people need to stop being BMW bias.

It's ugly IMO, and I'm not gonna defend BMW on it.

If you or other people like it, then you like it.

Just don't expect the majority of people to, and expect alot of the same comments if you own one.






Or we can all stop being bias towards BMW and call them out on their crappy designs so they can improve?

Their engineering department is doing fine with the engine and tech, but their aesthetic department needs a kick in the ass, remember the big sniffers on the 3/4 series? they got so much crap for it, that the new LCI, they changed the grills back to something better looking.

[cj0817]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

Agree. I still think it's an attractive car (minus the rear), but in my mind the F87 is a better design. I'm probably biased because I own one lol. BUT if I was in the same spot now as I was in 2016 in terms of the type of car I was looking for I would 100% buy this. It's just not out of this world different enough to warrant an upgrade to me.

I love the F87. When I see them on the road I still break my neck to peak a glance as it passes by haha. I am confident this will provoke the same emotion.

I can't wait to get behind the wheel and drive this!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by ROBM2C

Seriously which is nicer …seriously

I definitely agree that the F87 looks better - no doubt about it.

But to be fair, this isn't the G87CS. It's the standard M2. A more fair comparison would be to put up a picture of the OG M2, which is certainly calmer / plainer than the later-arriving Comp and CS models.

It's reasonable to think that the G87C and CS will get similar "flair" and arguably look better.

Honestly, I am not a fan of certain aspects of the car - no need to rehash those, but I think what we all really care about is how the thing drives.

With the suspension tuning advances, better / wider tires, and improved steering (hopefully), I assume this thing will drive very well and be a performance-based improvement over the OG M2.

I want to see one in the flesh...

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Nah, it's the truth, and people need to stop being BMW bias.

It's ugly IMO, and I'm not gonna defend BMW on it.

If you or other people like it, then you like it.

Just don't expect the majority of people to, and expect alot of the same comments if you own one.

Or we can all stop being bias towards BMW and call them out on their crappy designs so they can improve?

Their engineering department is doing fine with the engine and tech, but their aesthetic department needs a kick in the ass, remember the big sniffers on the 3/4 series? they got so much crap for it, that the new LCI, they changed the grills back to something better looking.

You can call them out all you want but as long as the cars keep selling the design studio is going to get big bonuses and praise. See G80.

[Ezio]

I prefer box designs, so I like it.

[spool twice]

Originally Posted by cj0817

It's not that bad. I think we need to stop being drama queens. Is the previous gen nicer? Perhaps. But you can say the same thing about the M3/4, and now look, good luck getting one. I wish it had more color options. Would love to see Thundernight on it.

Agreed!

The tail lights bothered me on the 1M, on the M2, and on this one. I still like the design, its not pretty, but it has that 1/2 series vibe still which is "cool" looking.

[ronin13013]

How dare you.

Originally Posted by Ezio

I prefer box designs, so I like it.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by Artemis

E30 M3 Henna Red + G87 M2 Toronto Red:

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Thanks Artemis! Very helpful. And a good reminder:

People forget that the design of the original M3 and the 1M were not well received when they came out. Now we revere them

[OUGrad05]

Originally Posted by Artemis

E30 M3 Henna Red + G87 M2 Toronto Red:

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I don't think this car looks bad. I don't love it, I think the F87 is more cohesive.

An LCI could fix this in a hurry.

[Game]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

I've come to peace with the design now, don't really have a choice otherwise. I'm fine with Brooklyn Grey and non black rims.

Weight and interior I'm going to need more time to come around on.

You wen't from absolutely shitting on the car, to "accepting it", and now building one all for yourself in a matter of 12 hours.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Game

You wen't from absolutely shitting on the car, to "accepting it", and now building one all for yourself in a matter of 12 hours.

What's my choice? The design is terrible. I'm not going to buy one but I accept that it exists and is a BMW.

Just being honest with how I feel at first reaction. Go to the F87 inital reaction thread and compare.

[lens]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

Its ridiculous that YOUR HERE!!

You're*

[Game]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

What's my choice? The design is terrible. I'm not going to buy one but I accept that it exists and is a BMW.

Just being honest with how I feel at first reaction. Go to the F87 inital reaction thread and compare.

Looks like you have plenty of choices according to your profile. Enjoy the G87. It's going to be a great car.

[OSee]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Nah, it's the truth, and people need to stop being BMW bias.

It's ugly IMO, and I'm not gonna defend BMW on it.

If you or other people like it, then you like it.

Just don't expect the majority of people to, and expect alot of the same comments if you own one.






Or we can all stop being bias towards BMW and call them out on their crappy designs so they can improve?

Their engineering department is doing fine with the engine and tech, but their aesthetic department needs a kick in the ass, remember the big sniffers on the 3/4 series? they got so much crap for it, that the new LCI, they changed the grills back to something better looking.

The regular ol 3 series never got the large grills. The base 4 series did, and continues to have them (one visit to BMW.com will tell you this lol). BMW did not change anything. This is nothing new…BMW told Chris Bangle that he wasn’t allowed to mess with the 3 series formula, hence the rather restrained e90/e92.

And if you think internet “crap” is going to hurt BMWs feelings or make them change their design direction I’ll point to the aforementioned 4 series, the i4, the XM, the 7 series, the X7 and most importantly of all the iconic M3 (and M4).

This car, like the G80, will break sales records. Whether we like it or not.

[lens]

Originally Posted by OSee

The regular ol 3 series never got the large grills. The base 4 series did, and continues to have them. BMW did not change anything. This is nothing new…BMW told Chris Bangle that he wasn’t allowed to mess with the 3 series formula, hence the rather restrained e90/e92.

And if you think internet “crap” is going to hurt BMWs feelings or make them change their design direction I’ll point to the aforementioned 4 series, the i4, the XM, the 7 series, the X7 and most importantly of all the iconic M3 (and M4).

This car, like the G80, will break sales records. Whether we like it or not.

The G8X made sense though, it came with xDrive optional, which most people wanted, and it was a very good upgrade from the F8x. Of course the front end wasn't for everyone but the interior and rear end was gorgeous.

This M2 looks like it's RWD only, and it's only 100lbs lighter than the G8X with xDrive, and it's underpowered? (ofc it can be fixed with a tune, but probably need FEMTO)


Will it break sales records? We'll see in the coming year.

[BMA89]

Personally I love it…….No ceramic brakes as an option?

[pawelczyk7]

Originally Posted by OUGrad05

I don't think this car looks bad. I don't love it, I think the F87 is more cohesive.

An LCI could fix this in a hurry.

Have to say much better than the leaked photos especially from the back as Looks mean and much better than the M4 IMO. My biggest gripe is the weight @ 3800lbs + for the manual vs 3562 lbs for my M2C manual stock which is a lot ( weighs same as an M4 ). Was hoping for a more modest gain of around 100 to 150 lbs at most vs the 250 lb ....

[atl_1M]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

I've come to peace with the design now, don't really have a choice otherwise. I'm fine with Brooklyn Grey and non black rims.

Weight and interior I'm going to need more time to come around on.

Lol, even the biggest hater came around in less than 12 hours? Welcome aboard