[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Firefighter posted this.
EV Battery fires are a unique danger. First off, its an electrical (class charley) fire, so the car is considered deranged equipment as you don't know if parts of the car would now carry an electrical charge (electrocution risk) and it's also a class alpha fire) as the solids from the car body, interior, etc.. start to combust. Lastly, it’s also a class delta (burning metal) fire for which water is NOT a good extinguishing agent. Combine those factors and consider the risk if owning/charging an EV indoors is a good idea.

This Firefighter neglected to mention the extremely toxic out gassing.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I made no comments relating to this being a EV issue. But I did high light that Carvana was not taking any responsibility.
I'm sure that more than a few ICE cars have conked out on bridges. So if I take your lead here the moral of the story is EV's can be just as unreliable as ICE cars.

Yeah Carvana sucks for sure and I'm not really surprised by their actions.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Firefighter posted this.

EV Battery fires are a unique danger. First off, its an electrical (class charley) fire, so the car is considered deranged equipment as you don't know if parts of the car would now carry an electrical charge (electrocution risk) and it's also a class alpha fire) as the solids from the car body, interior, etc.. start to combust. Lastly, it’s also a class delta (burning metal) fire for which water is NOT a good extinguishing agent. Combine those factors and consider the risk if owning/charging an EV indoors is a good idea.

I have a couple firefighter friends plus a family member that owns an insurance brokerage firm. EV fires are definitely a relatively new consideration when it comes to handling a fire indoors and outdoors and property insurance costs. Fire trucks and procedures are constantly being upgraded to handle EV fires and at big costs to taxpayers. Insurance premiums will continue to rise as well due to EV fire property loss.

The biggest issues with EV fires are:

1) Duration
2) Intensity
3) Pricey and extensive firefighting control measures (foam, huge amounts of water, fire blankets, SCUBA, etc.)
4) Toxic fumes and heavily contaminated firefighting water that washes onto nearby ground, storm drains, waterways, etc.
5) EV occupant safety do to many EVs using electric door locking mechanisms. There have been many instances of them not releasing in a crash/fire.

[Car-Addicted]

Burning Lithium reaches temperatures of 2,000 degrees Celsius/3,632 degrees Fahrenheit.
LiPo fires are self oxidizing.

[Pauly Wauly]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

If it was a 911 with 90k off..

If it was a 911, it would sell for 90k above MSRP

[M5Rick]

What's going to happen to all the unsold EV's piling up that people don't want.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

So MacMaster wants to roll 20-thousand of negative equity in his Tycan loan into his 911 loan. Wow. Okay, it's tough to listen to a person with such poor financial acumen. I hope it is all just a joke to sell yoootoobe time.

And he's all over the internet tell us how much EV and his Tycan sucks. Something about cake...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Or a reflection of just how badly he wants out of owning an EV.

Exactly.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Or a reflection of just how badly he wants out of owning an EV.

Well, why did he buy it in the first place? I've been looking at EV since 2013, and for the past 11 years, every view I've taken of ownership concluded owning an EV makes no sense. However, I will admit I kinda like the Cybertruck (because it's so crazy off the wall), but that's waning for me now.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

What could go wrong?

Plan for Shepherd’s Bush (London) bus depot, it’s a large site and the proposed plan is to put the bus garage underground with 198 chargers and then build an apartment block for 3000 plus residents above.

Only a madman in charge of planning would ok this.

[Car-Addicted]

I think we need to start doing an intelligence for public office, but then again there wouldn't be anyone left to run.

[murderspice]

https://electrek.co/2024/03/13/thoma...ic-school-bus/

[murderspice]

https://bmwi.bimmerpost.com/forums/s....php?t=2089359

[Car-Addicted]

Time will tell:
Bozo Admin Pumps Hundreds Of Millions Into Buses Prone To Catching Fire
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has made an additional $500 million available to help rebate recipients to transform their school bus fleets from diesel to electric, a round of funding that builds upon an earlier $1 billion made available via the program, the EPA announced Thursday. Several electric buses have caught fire across the country in recent months, a trend mostly attributable to malfunctions in their lithium-ion batteries, according to the Institute for Energy Research.
Electric buses have burst into flames due to battery malfunctions in Wichita, Kansas, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, San Jose, California, and Hamden, Connecticut, since July 2022, according to local reports. The Hamden e-bus fire resulted in a decision to pull the city’s entire e-bus fleet off the roads
Electric school buses cost about $400,000, while diesel school buses cost about $200,000, according to Electrek.
https://dailycaller.com/2023/09/28/b...s-school-fire/

It's so easy to spend tax payer money. Wonder if the tax payers will be around to pay for the replacement batteries.

[G30M]

i bought my second EV (had a used Nissan Leaf), a Kia EV6 GT demo with delivery miles for 40% off list. got dealer to add a tow hitch onto it.

[Car-Addicted]

California's new energy plan forces the wealthy to pay more for electricity
March 13, 2024
"This would be the first state to charge people based on their income rather than what they actually just use," said Shon Hiatt, director of the USC Business of Energy Transition initiative.
"The problem here has been affordability. While California has focused almost completely on clean energy, it has disregarded reliability and affordability, and costs have continued to escalate. So, one of the (ways) they thought to address affordability (was), 'Let's just consider a tax and begin taxing people based on their income to address electricity rates.'"
Households earning $28,000-$69,000 would be charged an extra $20 to $34 per month. Those earning $69,000-$180,000 would pay $51 to $73 per month, and those earning more than $180,000 would pay a $85-to-$128 monthly surcharge.
"This electricity will be clean electricity," Vice President Harris said in January 2023 while dedicating a power line to carry green energy into California, "and the energy delivered by these lines will not just be cleaner, it will also be cheaper."
A year earlier in Carlsbad, while dedicating a solar plant, President Bozo said, "It's also now cheaper to generate electricity from wind and solar than it is from coal and oil, literally cheaper."
https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/c...-more-pay-more

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
Karl Marx

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

California's new energy plan forces the wealthy to pay more for electricity
March 13, 2024
"This would be the first state to charge people based on their income rather than what they actually just use," said Shon Hiatt, director of the USC Business of Energy Transition initiative.
"The problem here has been affordability. While California has focused almost completely on clean energy, it has disregarded reliability and affordability, and costs have continued to escalate. So, one of the (ways) they thought to address affordability (was), 'Let's just consider a tax and begin taxing people based on their income to address electricity rates.'"
Households earning $28,000-$69,000 would be charged an extra $20 to $34 per month. Those earning $69,000-$180,000 would pay $51 to $73 per month, and those earning more than $180,000 would pay a $85-to-$128 monthly surcharge.
"This electricity will be clean electricity," Vice President Harris said in January 2023 while dedicating a power line to carry green energy into California, "and the energy delivered by these lines will not just be cleaner, it will also be cheaper."
A year earlier in Carlsbad, while dedicating a solar plant, President Bozo said, "It's also now cheaper to generate electricity from wind and solar than it is from coal and oil, literally cheaper."
https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/c...-more-pay-more

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
Karl Marx

So in laymans terms Cali big brother will know what your income is, how much your house is worth in working out how much extra to add to your electricity bill.

[M5Rick]

In rip off Britain it costs a huge amount to have solar panels fitted onto your roof with little or no subsidy from big brother to offset the cost yet in places like Poland 80% is subsidised by the leaders.
Then moving home its the same again as the place you're moving to is unlikely to have it as well as with heat pump with the preferred wet underfloor heating.

[Car-Addicted]

More good news for California:
California needs to triple pace of emissions cuts to meet 2030 goal, report says
March 14, 2024
NEW YORK, March 14 (Reuters) - California needs to triple its annual carbon emissions reductions to meet its 2030 target, a report by consulting firm Beacon Economics and San Francisco-based think tank Next 10 said on Thursday.
The state's greenhouse gas emissions increased in 2021 to 381.3 million metric tons, up 3.4% from a year earlier.
The state's high electricity costs could be holding back progress to electrify its transportation and power sectors, said F. Noel Perry, founder at Next 10.
The state needs to reduce emissions at a rate of 4.4% a year to meet its 2030 target, nearly triple the average annual rate of 1.6% over the most recent five-year period.
The transportation and electric power sectors had the largest increase in emissions in 2021, at 7.4% and 4.8%, respectively.

https://www.reuters.com/business/env...ys-2024-03-14/

Would the last one leaving California please remember to turn the lights off. We need to conserve energy.

[Car-Addicted]

EV euphoria is dead. Automakers are scaling back or delaying their electric vehicle plans
Wed, Mar 13 2024
Automakers from Ford Motor and General Motors to Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, Jaguar Land Rover and Aston Martin are scaling back or delaying their electric vehicle plans.
Though consumer demand for EVs hasn’t shown up in the way executives had expected, sales of the vehicles are still predicted to increase in the years to come.
A broad return to a more mixed offering of vehicles — with lineups of gas-powered vehicles alongside hybrids and fully electric options — assumes an all-electric future at a much slower pace, and it calls attention to ambitious EV targets set for the years ahead.
As ESG investing — or investing geared toward environmental, social and governance principles — emerged in recent years and as Tesla rose from niche EV player to the most valued automaker by market cap globally in 2020, the automotive industry largely took note and began plotting its path forward in EVs.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/13/ev-e...ice-in-us.html

[Car-Addicted]

The news media refusing to cover EV fires? Who would have thought.

[Condorll]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

So in laymans terms Cali big brother will know what your income is, how much your house is worth in working out how much extra to add to your electricity bill.

And they will continue to vote for these clowns.