[trey100]

Is there anything out there confirmed that says CF roof is $3-$4k? In the UK, they are standard so I can't see them charging this much for a CF roof. I would expect that a moonroof is expensive to build as well so I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes a low cost option.

[1nityrider]

I am torn. I was ready to get my first proper M car and had this car on the top of my list. I had been looking at the manual M2 competition but my heart was set at the G87 primarily because the initial driving experience of the car paints a picture of a fun car to drive. I am sure it is.

Like some of you, I was hopping that leaked photos were fake but oh boy! To me there's not way around it, this doesn't look good!

What really happened to their design language though? I am really torn as to going for an F87 or maybe wait and see it in person or or find something else different. Like others have pointed out, finding a decent manual car from competitors with this kind of HP and price range will set you back more.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by 1nityrider

I am torn. I was ready to get my first proper M car and had this car on the top of my list. I had been looking at the manual M2 competition but my heart was set at the G87 primarily because the initial driving experience of the car paints a picture of a fun car to drive. I am sure it is.

Like some of you, I was hopping that leaked photos were fake but oh boy! To me there's not way around it, this doesn't look good!

What really happened to their design language though? I am really torn as to going for an F87 or maybe wait and see it in person or or find something else different. Like others have pointed out, finding a decent manual car from competitors with this kind of HP and price range will set you back more.

I expect after the G87 comes out, the used car prices on the F87 will come down to earth. Right now you can't get a new M2 and G8x units are not being produced in enough numbers, so that pent up demand has allowed people to ask more than they paid for new. That will correct once the G comes out. I think the F87 is a fine car and I would also consider it as a way to save $$$ over a new G87.

[DO444]

Originally Posted by 1nityrider

I am torn. I was ready to get my first proper M car and had this car on the top of my list. I had been looking at the manual M2 competition but my heart was set at the G87 primarily because the initial driving experience of the car paints a picture of a fun car to drive. I am sure it is.

Like some of you, I was hopping that leaked photos were fake but oh boy! To me there's not way around it, this doesn't look good!

What really happened to their design language though? I am really torn as to going for an F87 or maybe wait and see it in person or or find something else different. Like others have pointed out, finding a decent manual car from competitors with this kind of HP and price range will set you back more.

I think if you want the new m2 and can get an allocation, you’re probably best to get it filled. I don’t think you’ll have too much trouble getting out of it later if you decide it’s not for you.

I wouldn’t but an f87 at the prices they are likely to be at this moment. Even still, I’d buy an m3 over an m2 (which to be fair I was always going to do), but based on the design language I just like the m3 better and there’s not a huge price difference if you can live with a mildly optioned m3. I understand people really want that purists car though and why you might not want to do that.

I’m not a fan of the design language for the new m2… but then again I hated the new g80 design language and now that I’ve seen it so much I have come around to it and I actually kinda think it’s a really good looking car.

I’ll bet you that’s exactly what happens with the m2.

[cheveux]

In Portugal the manual transmition is 2000€ more than the auto
Is this normal? Are they really making money over the "SaVe tHe MaNuAls" ideia?

[M2Cmtl]

wow, 2k for the manual. Crazy but I would pay it. You will get that and way more back when you sell it.

The G87 is already easier to swallow than the G80 so I think its really going to grow on me.

[kyrix1st]

Bean counters trying everything they can to kill manual transmissions and promote the mundane ZF8, that's what it is. Might have to do with local emission laws as well.

Originally Posted by cheveux

In Portugal the manual transmition is 2000€ more than the auto
Is this normal? Are they really making money over the "SaVe tHe MaNuAls" ideia?

[DO444]

Originally Posted by M2Cmtl

wow, 2k for the manual. Crazy but I would pay it. You will get that and way more back when you sell it.

The G87 is already easier to swallow than the G80 so I think its really going to grow on me.

I’d be wary about that idea.
Very few of these cars, manual or otherwise, are ever going to sell for more than they were bought for.

Maybe if you are lucky or you wait 30 years.
Get it if you want it, but I don’t really think the resale argument makes a lot of sense.

[kyrix1st]

That's bull. Both F82 M4 and E92 M3 6MT resale go 6+ grand more than a similar mileage DCT, and the gap becomes significantly larger if the 6MT is under 10K mileage. And no they are not 30 years old.

Originally Posted by DO444

I’d be wary about that idea.
Very few of these cars, manual or otherwise, are ever going to sell for more than they were bought for.

Maybe if you are lucky or you wait 30 years.
Get it if you want it, but I don’t really think the resale argument makes a lot of sense.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Bean counters trying everything they can to kill manual transmissions and promote the mundane ZF8, that's what it is. Might have to do with local emission laws as well.

No one says you have to like automatics but the ZF8 is anything but mundane. It's the best non-DCT automatic transmission out there and it's not even close.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

No one says you have to like automatics but the ZF8 is anything but mundane. It's the best non-DCT automatic transmission out there and it's not even close.

I'll give that M240i has arguably the best ZF8 transmission response, but it's still a good old mundane auto. On the other hand, 8HP71/76 variants that go in X3M/M3s have terrible shift response, not sporty at all.
There are cheaper and more responsive auto transmissions out there that isn't Getrag/Magna DCT or PDK, namely Tremec. I fail to see why torque converter autos have to be excluded from comparison as if it were a sanctuary; they are all competing in the same auto industry.

[DO444]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

That's bull. Both F82 M4 and E92 M3 6MT resale go 6+ grand more than a similar mileage DCT, and the gap becomes significantly larger if the 6MT is under 10K mileage. And no they are not 30 years old.

Hey, if you can find someone to pay you $6k more for your car, then when you bought it - that’s awesome.

I’d sell it.

Are you saying that they are selling for less than initial cost but the manual commands a price differential of $6k?

I may have misunderstood you. When you said you’ll get that back and more I thought you meant on the cost of the car. If you’re just saying the manual sell for more than the automatic used, I don’t doubt that on an m2.

[carjoy]

Originally Posted by trey100

Is there anything out there confirmed that says CF roof is $3-$4k? In the UK, they are standard so I can't see them charging this much for a CF roof. I would expect that a moonroof is expensive to build as well so I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes a low cost option.

In the UK, they also get the ZF auto as standard. So US customers have to pay for both an auto tranny and the carbon roof.; thousands. For $500 pounds UK folks can opt for a manual. Who's getting a raw deal?

[carjoy]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I'll give that M240i has arguably the best ZF8 transmission response, but it's still a good old mundane auto. On the other hand, 8HP71/76 variants that go in X3M/M3s have terrible shift response, not sporty at all.
There are cheaper and more responsive auto transmissions out there that isn't Getrag/Magna DCT or PDK, namely Tremec. I fail to see why torque converter autos have to be excluded from comparison as if it were a sanctuary; they are all competing in the same auto industry.

Indeed.

Loved the Getrag automated manual on my old 2012 Evo MR. The fact it wasn't smooth and up/down shifted like a drunk driver gave it character, and to me, heightened the driving experience. The mechanical feel of that DCT was almost on par with a manual, sans the third pedal. Like this new M2, the Evolution was an acquired taste, not much to look at inside, but what an amazing drivers car.

[pizza240]

Originally Posted by Roosterdentures

I think the OP here is the US press release, hence the pricing in $. For some reason in Europe it seems that the manual is extra.

Sounds like it might be $4500 extra for manual in Canada. Yikes.

[Artemis]

Added to the first post of this thread:

[techniggo]

Originally Posted by IronEgg

Let's guess the Nurburgring time

Would say between 7:35-7:40

[G80indy]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

G80 still has macpherson strut setup in the front like most BMWs.

Read up:

https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/09/22/2...is-suspension/

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by 330indy

Read up:

https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/09/22/2...is-suspension/

Double jointed with alumninum wishbone is a macpherson setup. Go look at the technical training diagram. Trailing link, wishbone, and tie rod at the bottom with double ball joints and strut/hub to tower attached at top.

BMW marketing just doesn't like the term "macpherson" because people associate that with cheap. It is 100% macpherson.

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...8;d=1622934458

Page 67

Actual double wishbone:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doub...one_suspension

Strut isn't integrated into the hub and hub is attached to top wishbone

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by TractionControlDelete

7:50ish

That seems to be a pretty high estimate, no?

What was the F87 CS? Wasn’t it quite a bit under that?

[McLaren720s]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That seems to be a pretty high estimate, no?

What was the F87 CS? Wasn’t it quite a bit under that?

F87 CS is 7:42 by Sport Auto

[heart_doctor]

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

It's really no different than the ID7 screens. It's just that the two screens are directly connected instead of being separated by some dash material. It also provides the driver with better forward visibility of the road

It doesn't look like a car. I prefer a traditional looking dashboard not an oversized computer display.