[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Could be wrong, but think you've misplaced the point of impact. Believe it was almost exactly the moment you see VER's accel trace pick back up, left of your brake check circle (~5300 mark).

Impact comes later, near bottom of the trace.
Also didn't show that HAM did brake just before impact and after VER brake check.

....graphic was too small to include all that

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by irunalot

Obviously, he’s learned nothing and continues to act like a 12-year-old at a K1 karting track beating up on 12-year-olds at a birthday party.

Identify with a lot of what you said, but getting lumped in with Max like this pisses me off.

If they don't like it, they can go over to the junior karts side.

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

You're addressing the speed graph not the brake one

gee wiz I wonder how you slow so fast on that curve?
....marvellous invention those brakes

Speed is the net result of throttle and/or brakes.
You really do need to try harder.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Max got two penalties yet Ham none despite Max wanting to give his place up on three occasions to him...WTF are Fia playing at.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/10073...uggestion.html

Exactly what did you want a penalty for?

Max got one for leaving the track and gaining an advantage.
Second after the race was for the brake check which was clear based on the data the stewards had.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

Impact comes later, near bottom of the trace.
Also didn't show that HAM did brake just before impact and after VER brake check.

....graphic was too small to include all that

Believe impact occurs at the moment of sudden acceleration, ~5300 mark.

He speeds up then slows for the corner where you indicate brake check.

[Steeler]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

gee wiz I wonder how you slow so fast on that curve?
....marvellous invention those brakes

Speed is the net result of throttle and/or brakes.
You really do need to try harder.

Oh, but, but, that doesn't work for the spin doctors.

[Foghorn]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Max got two penalties yet Ham none despite Max wanting to give his place up on three occasions to him...WTF are Fia playing at.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/10073...uggestion.html

Sometimes you wonder if someone is an idiot, then they take the opportunity to remove all doubt.

Gpblog are your school mates?

[F87source]

Originally Posted by irunalot

How much of a cocky prick do you have to be to ignore advice from someone that has already done it and continues to do it. That is a huge sign of immaturity and just plain stupid. Even if you don't like the guy listen, you may learn something. Obviously, he’s learned nothing and continues to act like a 12-year-old at a K1 karting track beating up on 12-year-olds at a birthday party.

Him and Horner both act like spoiled children. When an actual mature adult gets his butt kicked, they look at themselves to see where they went wrong, how they can improve so next time they wither win or don’t get beat the same way again. In this case you have two giant children pointing fingers and making unsubstantiated claims towards competitors. If someone is cheating the FIA will eventually come down on them, you can’t cheat from 2014 to today and get away with it. Everyone just needs to accept they got out engineered, outsmarted, out driven, and out strategized by Mercedes. Take all that energy spent complaining and get better… The FIA has no need to let Mercedes get away with anything, competition like we are seeing is great for the sport, why would they just let Mercedes have it. Mercedes took it, they were not given a damn thing. If anything, this year’s rules knee capped Mercedes, giving all other teams running high rake concept an advantage. Look at Aston compared to last year, they could not engineer their way out of this rule change. Mercedes and Hamilton have spent the entire year improving. Honestly to come back the way they have is damn impressive. I thought they were toast a month ago. This should be applauded not torn down.

Max is an uber talent, but a prick and I'd rather see Russell, Norris, Sainz, Schumacher or any of the other young drivers win over him. Him and Mazepin are in the running for prick of the year. I’ve given him every benefit of the doubt but he’s just a dirty driver and if he wins the WDC, he’s the one that cheated by driving in an unsportsmanlike manner.

And that pole lap, was on the edge, but ragged and reckless for someone gunning for a WDC. Do people forget what Hamilton has done? Please stop with it’s the car, his teammates can’t beat him and the one that did have to pull the same crap Max is pulling this year to do so. Nico almost unraveled and retired due to the effort he had to put into beat Hamilton. So what that he has had been on good teams his entire career, he’s also worked his butt off, and you can’t fault someone for making good career decisions. Does Hamilton make mistakes sure he has, he’s human but at least he’s humbled enough to recognize them and correct them. Hmm that what adults and successful people do. Does he push the rules of course, it’s a sport and he’s a competitor ALL the drivers and team do this in EVERY form of motorsport and life. I don’t understand the mentality of people always trying to bring down success… Learn from it and be successful yourself..

+1

Could not agree more. But you'll never convince them with logic, they're way too far down the rabbit hole now. All they can see is max.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It's F1 not a kiddy driving range at Disney World, the only dirty driver here is Ham with cheating w12 that hasn't been checked properly e.g. rear wing, front wing,illegal inlet plenum cooling that's been passed and not checked thoroughly, laughable PU replacement rules where you can have a new one with just a 5 grid place drop if you play it right, again to suit Merc, it's why Max is always on the edge and the only one challenging while all the others don't even try and resign themselves to one minute back.

Already debunked all of it with proof, you have provided nothing to support your claims. That should speak volumes about your claims and your lack of credibility going forward.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Foghorn

Sometimes you wonder if someone is an idiot, then they take the opportunity to remove all doubt.

Gpblog are your school mates?

GPb only pass on the news, the journalist for Auto,Motor und Sport tells it how it is, read again it should make sense to you eventually unless you're a ham fan heheh

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

GPb only pass on their opinion of the news, .....

FTFY

[tdott]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

GPb only pass on the news, the journalist for Auto,Motor und Sport tells it how it is, read again it should make sense to you eventually unless you're a ham fan heheh

If YOU read it on the internet it must be true ?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

FTFY

It's not actually GPb,read again.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by tdott

If YOU read it on the internet it must be true ?

He posted articles before that supposedly had irrefutable evidence of RB making a "cheater wing" and said that was fact. Upon opening the article the first line said it was the writer or host's theory of what was happening at RB. So he might only be reading head lines to pull quote.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by M2CS

I think HAM was confused as to why Max slowed and he didn't trust Max not to try to hit him during the overtake. But regardless of anything HAM knew or didn't know, Max decided to swerve and slam on the brakes himself. Max is responsible for his actions and should've received a more harsh penalty for it. At least despite all of Max's dirty moves during the race... it was all for nothing as Lewis won anyway. Their gamble to put Max on mediums just so he could get off the line better did not pay off.

He wasn’t confused, Bono told him “FIA asked Max swap positions” well before the incident in car feed (note it has an embedded 3-5 sec delay). As far as whether he trusted Max not to hit him is largely irrelevant to my point about character.

No one has clean hands here, Hammy restart antics, bottas safety car antics and Hammy’s move to run Max of track after one of the restarts shows how this has denigrated into Sports Entertainment.

It’s not good vs evil, it’s a youth phenomenon vs a Wiley old fox. Everything on the planet goes through this. Nobody wants to kill anyone.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

He posted articles before that supposedly had irrefutable evidence of RB making a "cheater wing" and said that was fact. Upon opening the article the first line said it was the writer or host's theory of what was happening at RB. So he might only be reading head lines to pull quote.

> 837.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

It’s not good vs evil, it’s a youth phenomenon vs a Wiley old fox. Everything on the planet goes through this. Nobody wants to kill anyone.

Allow me to add It's not as black and white as some may be inclined to present it to be.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

Allow me to add It's not as black and white as some may be inclined to present it to be.

Like it

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

what a joke^
You really do need to learn how to read telemetry data


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You have zero idea of what you are talking about .
Your yellow circle shows the sudden acceleration and you don't even know when or at what moment it was !

If you want to know at least 'something , just let me know !

Lots of talks and BS , zero knowledge ...

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You have zero idea of what you are talking about .
Your yellow circle shows the sudden acceleration and you don't even know when or at what moment it was !

If you want to know at least 'something , just let me know !

Lots of talks and BS , zero knowledge ...

Yeah but the sudden acceleration and sudden deceleration line is max so I don't really see the point you're trying to make.

It clearly shows max accelerated then hard braked.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Do you mind show us when and where Ham tried to "run Max off track"?

Agreed on Bottas's holding up though. It was funny how they (as a team) held people up and they complained about the red flag and their ability to change tires then…

I see those as the same as tire changing strategies and position changing within teams. Strategy is a big part of this game, and has always been (even more so when we had refuelling).

To say different kinda shows me that you don't know the sport very well? Maybe you do and just has a different opinion, which is fine. However, let's remember that it isn't just "drivers on their own being nice and allowing space and others pass when they have a faster pace". This isn't HPDE, or an open track day.

They'll still communicate with teams on radio, etc. it isn't just a one man show when it comes to racing at the highest level.

Strategy is great, the red flag restarts differ from initial race starts in that there appears to be no require minimum speed or car length distance during formation lap for red flag restarts, Hamilton is a master at exploiting this. A three word reference in the rules would correct this immediately (based on the printed regulations on my desk), silly FIA doesn’t address it immediately like the first MERC bendy wing saga.

Lap 43 is the hammy running Max off.

Consistent application of the rule starts with getting consistent application of the simple ones binary rules.

Simple rules

Double yellow flags is it 5 grid penalties, 3 grid penalties or no penalty
Race restarts can the non pole cars back up the grid? Seems like this is an easy one to police.
Distance between cars during formation laps, another easy one.
Distance between cars during yellow flags, easy to do.
Impeding, penalty or no penalty
Impeding and almost causing a crash, penalty or no penalty

More complex
Tire to tire racing - no chance getting this right if the above is a cluster.

One driver giving the position back 4 or 5 times plus a 5 sec penalty, plus another 10 sec penalty. Joke.

Comical application of the rules. Akin to any Sports Entertainment show, but not what should be happening in F1.

Some watch it for entertainment, some watch it for witnessing the impossible. I can’t blame anyone for enjoying it for the former, but that’s not me.

[forza1976]

Spot on Horner!

Go Max