[eliphil]

Geeeeeeez

[M5Rick]

The death of Porsche automobiles is imminent unless people come to their senses and kick out the loonies in the eau capital.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Porsche says 911 ICE will be last to die, unsure what year will be last.

Alex, I'll take $1000.00 for things no one wants? Alex that would be "expensive electric sports cars"

Would the last one out at the Porsche factory please turn out the lights.

[Car-Addicted]

China’s EV makers got about $313 billion in aid over last 15 years
On a per vehicle basis, support has fallen from US$13,860 in 2018 to just under US$4,600 in 2023. This is less than the US$7,500 credit available to US buyers, unless they buy EVs using materials from China.
According to the post, China’s sales tax exemptions were worth almost US$40 billion in 2023, with this jumping from under US$10 billion in 2020 due to the rapid increase in sales of EVs.
“If Chinese EVs were pieces of junk, then they would not be a serious challenge to the rest of the world’s automakers,” Mr Kennedy wrote. “In general, Western automakers and governments have dilly-dallied and not been aggressive enough.” BLOOMBERG
https://www.straitstimes.com/busines...-last-15-years

The horse has left the barn with the green idiots in control of the levers of power. The European and American auto industries will be destroyed before this is over. They told us the green agenda would be creating millions of jobs but they didn't tell anyone that the jobs would be created in China.

[M5Rick]

The latest on the German car industry and why it's self destructing.

[XutvJet]

Based on the image of the exterior and interior of the 2025 Boxster, I think Porsche designed the car to be both EV and ICE. The new car doesn't look like a dorky spaceship EV thing. It looks like a natural progression of the model.

Porsche has likely played it very safe by making the chassis quite modular between EV and ICE. I bet the battery pack is located in the area occupied by the front fuel tank and area under the center console.

[Car-Addicted]

I really wouldn't want to be a auto manufacturer in Europe. mad0260:

Europe Decrees Total New EV Sales Victory, Public May Have Other Ideas
July 11, 202
The EU and the U.K. government require around 80% of new sedan and SUV sales to be electric by 2030, but forecasts range from only 40% to perhaps 60%. Despite this, Britain’s new government has said it will bring the EU’s 100% target for 2035 forward to 2030. That huge gap spells trouble for politicians, manufacturers and consumers, and can only be bridged by the arrival of cheap, mass-market cars.
Electric car sales growth in Europe has stalled, as the early acceleration inspired by early adopters and corporate purchasers died away.
Total victory for EVs requires a mass-market for cheap and cheerful little urban runabouts, but European manufacturers are reluctant to produce them. These seriously affordable vehicles, like China’s Wuling Bingo and BYD Seagull, would cost say €10,000 ($10,900) after tax. Meanwhile, the European Union is seeking to limit China’s EV exports.
Investment bank UBS has said Europeans will buy almost nine million fewer electric vehicles between 2024 and 2030 than expected.
Wells warned that if the CO2 targets were diluted, climate change targets would be jeopardized.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwin...e-other-ideas/
So the choice is good European jobs vs unobtainable green goals. The thing that's missing is the free market.

[Car-Addicted]

Jaguar ‘eliminates’ almost all its petrol cars as it moves into electric era
It will leave only the F-Pace SUV – of which petrol, diesel and hybrid variants are sold – in production at Solihull, before Jaguar begins a new run of all-electric cars going on sale from next year.
Adrian Mardell, chief executive of parent company Jaguar Land Rover (JLR), confirmed the other cars would be “eliminated” at a recent investor day, telling the audience: “They’re all close to zero-profitability products.”
He has promised the car will hark back to Jaguar’s E-Type glory days, but added that the vehicle will be a “copy of nothing”.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/othe...ra/ar-BB1q0xXO

[eugenebmw]

There will be a first aid station with oxygen and defibrillator also a paramedic at all EV repair place. It's all for an occasion like this.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

There will be a first aid station with oxygen and defibrillator also a paramedic at all EV repair place. It's all for an occasion like this.

Your BMW needs an engine…

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Unless the Sheeple inflict pain at the ballot box, the self-destruction will continue unabated.

This. I only tick the one that will stop the war on the motorist, it's so simple really.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

There will be a first aid station with oxygen and defibrillator also a paramedic at all EV repair place. It's all for an occasion like this.

''Will that be cash or card sir...' mugs to the left of me, jokers to the right

[Car-Addicted]

"Total victory for EVs requires a mass-market for cheap and cheerful little urban runabouts,"

The quote was absolutely from some unelected bureaucrat who gets to and from work everyday in a chauffeur driven limo or Range Rover. They will be flying off to some exotic location on a private jet to discuss with other socialist idiots how to keep the boot on the face of the folks while claiming it is to save the planet.

[Sparky68]

A few of the lads in my office see this 1st hand

https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-c...ival-of-speed/

[Dégoûté]

When EVs fail, it won’t be because of your shitposting.

[Car-Addicted]

Objects in motion tend to stay in motion.
Especially when they are 1000hp 4000lbs sports cars.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Objects in motion tend to stay in motion.
Especially when they are 1000hp 4000lbs sports cars.

I thought my 1020 hp S Plaid was heavy at 4766 pounds. But the new M5 said, "hold my beer", at 5368 pounds.

Now I'm definitely sticking with another S Plaid after this lease.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I thought my 1020 hp S Plaid was heavy at 4766 pounds. But the new M5 said, "hold my beer", at 5368 pounds.

Now I'm definitely sticking with another S Plaid after this lease.

It's lighter than an ICE AMG E63 wagon and RS6 Avant. I think there's a good argument that EV and hybrid drives do not need to weigh radically more than ICE, substituting engine weight for battery weight.

[Car-Addicted]

I know this will come as a major shock to you all
Rich Americans Are Biggest Winner Of Government’s Green Subsidies, Analysis Finds
July 16, 2024
The majority of the $47 billion in green tax credits claimed between 2006 and 2021 went to high-income households, according to a new study published Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research.
Households in the top 20% of earnings nationally received about 60% of clean energy tax credits, while the bottom 60% of households received just 10%, according to the paper written by Severin Borenstein and Lucas W. Davis, two economists at the University of California, Berkeley.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/07/16/r...nalysis-finds/

[gonzo]

Seems Mr. EV has seen enough. Pulling up SpaceX and X from CA and pointing the trucks towards TX.

Ouch

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Fecal matter and needles on the sidewalk outside your buildings tends to irritate employee's.

Power grid failure and 115° in the summer might too (also winter). Texas is absolutely brutal to live in IME in the summer. I was just there two weeks back. Lack of public land set aside near population centers too.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

The entire Southern USA is a sauna in the summer, that hasn't stopped people from CA, IL and NY from flocking there.

My parents aborted when they were essentially locked inside during the summer due to the oppressive heat (and traffic). At high altitude in the desert, the evenings/night/morning is much more pleasant, the temp at high noon is still not as high not to mention not nearly as humid, and it's overall much nicer to live with some forest and terrain nearby.

Yeah, I don't know what the drive is either, it seems the place to go when you want to give up on life. Obesity rates tell the tale IMO.