[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

More heavier and bigger M3 on the horizon.
The G80 will be the last true M3 car.

I don’t think mild hybrid is going to be much heavier but it does seem like BMW has little care about the weight.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

I don’t think mild hybrid is going to be much heavier but it does seem like BMW has little care about the weight.

Newer generation will be heavier than the last one, plus bigger in size. Look at the new M5. It’s a rhino now.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by lonestar22

I dont think anyone thought the manual M3 would survive this generation. The take rate is extremely low even though everyone says they want one.

I’m not sure that’s actually very accurate. The dealership that is closest to me has mostly six speeds in stock, including the M2 everything that comes in is a six speed.

That seems to be the number one enthusiast choice right now…

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by MaC-N54-E82

Smart play by BMW to fund both versions and let consumers decide. As always, I’ll reserve judgement until I drive them. Until then I’ll continue to enjoy the S58 driving experience.

BMW is following the Porsche playbook where they run the ICE cars concurrent side-by-side with the electric cars for at least two years.

I can’t wait for the quad motor M3/4’s Those things are going to be insane

[My M3]

Agree, I also think the G80 M3 will be the last true M3.
I will be keeping mine

[McLaren720s]

Will only buy if grill is bigger than current gen

[yert43]

I’m taking delivery of my 2025 G80 6MT in the next couple of weeks and the current plan is to keep it forever.

I am not against progress, and I think the electric M3 will be a monster, but the boxes I want to check are: 1) reasonably practical 2) reasonably luxurious 3) reasonably fast 4) manual transmission.

Not much on the market today that checks all of those boxes, and likely no new cars will in another couple of years.

[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

Newer generation will be heavier than the last one, plus bigger in size. Look at the new M5. It’s a rhino now.

Yea but mild hybrid is not same as full hybrid M5 is. That’s like really extreme weight issue.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by My M3

Agree, I also think the G80 M3 will be the last true M3.
I will be keeping mine

Me too for my G82 that I just got a few months ago. Might pick up a G80 to go along with the G82 before EOP just because I don’t have trust the next one will be equal or better than the G80.

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by Custom Install

Sounds like good news, I’ll start looking for my E30 M3 asap 😎

Haha.
I think classic demand vs supply dynamics for price equilibrium suggests the sheer mainstream volume of G80/82s in the market is not going to sustain prices in any way. Unless somehow BMW invents a whole new future market that will provide enough future buyers to exceed the number of buyers today - or future high inflation bulks the price of older cars.

Completely different story for limited edition owners. Even then, it’s not going up often - I’ve experienced that myself as a M2 CS owner. The next big thing comes around and your prized unicorn becomes less relevant to the modern buyer who’s chasing something else.

If you buy it to drive it and don’t care about appreciation - you’re on a winner

[G30M]

Originally Posted by McLaren720s

Will only buy if grill is bigger than current gen

and has RBG LED lighting all over

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by hb

It's only that high in the US, unfortunately not enough. You need a lot more of those globally to build a business case

That is what I have read — US is biggest manual market you need to look at the much bigger global market. Also, the manuals now get worse MPG and BMW has to consider its CAFE. May also be harder to integrate hybrid power into manuals. Seems like manuals will become more and more limited if they don’t go away altogether.

I like the auto in my F90 M5. Had plenty of manuals — 79 635csi, 99 E36 M3, 99 E39 528i, 08 E90 M3. Slower, worse mpg, not much fun in heavy traffic. They give you something to do, if that is the goal.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

Yea but mild hybrid is not same as full hybrid M5 is. That’s like really extreme weight issue.

Hard to say but we can expect increase in size and weight in general. That has been the trend for BMW.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

That is what I have read — US is biggest manual market you need to look at the much bigger global market. Also, the manuals now get worse MPG and BMW has to consider its CAFE. May also be harder to integrate hybrid power into manuals. Seems like manuals will become more and more limited if they don’t go away altogether.

I like the auto in my F90 M5. Had plenty of manuals — 79 635csi, 99 E36 M3, 99 E39 528i, 08 E90 M3. Slower, worse mpg, not much fun in heavy traffic. They give you something to do, if that is the goal.

I think peeps need to come to terms that the second Hybrid/Ev comes in, manual is over.

[Rux]

Where did you all read that the M3 48v mild hybrid will be an S58? I read https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/10/17/bmw-m3-g84-over-523-horsepower-awd-and-auto-only/ that it’s going to be a 525 hp B58.


Makes sense right? B58 passed the new euro emission standard and BMW can use the M440 as a starting point. Why do you think it has all the M shit on it? Boost that B58 up some power and GRATs the M light is now the new M.



I’ll let you all hater figure out what that will do to REAL M cars that came before it….

[330inner]

Originally Posted by kjx

All the M340i, M440i cars already have mild-hybrid. And have for a few years now. Nothing new here to really be concerned about.

Exactly this

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Rux

Where did you all read that the M3 48v mild hybrid will be an S58? I read https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/10/17/bmw-m3-g84-over-523-horsepower-awd-and-auto-only/ that it’s going to be a 525 hp B58.


Makes sense right? B58 passed the new euro emission standard and BMW can use the M440 as a starting point. Why do you think it has all the M shit on it? Boost that B58 up some power and GRATs the M light is now the new M.



I’ll let you all hater figure out what that will do to REAL M cars that came before it….

That article doesn't say it's going to be a B58. Plus it's pure speculation.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by akkando

I bet when it comes out people will claim the new car makes the g80 look dated.

Oh in the way the new M5 makes the outgoing one look dated.. oh right..

[a5m]

Originally Posted by My M3

Agree, I also think the G80 M3 will be the last true M3.
I will be keeping mine

Sorry it already lost that torch to the E9x M3

[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by Rux

Where did you all read that the M3 48v mild hybrid will be an S58? I read https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/10/17/bmw-m3-g84-over-523-horsepower-awd-and-auto-only/ that it’s going to be a 525 hp B58.


Makes sense right? B58 passed the new euro emission standard and BMW can use the M440 as a starting point. Why do you think it has all the M shit on it? Boost that B58 up some power and GRATs the M light is now the new M.



I’ll let you all hater figure out what that will do to REAL M cars that came before it….

Why would they use B58? They have S58.
Of course they will use that.

[imperfectluck]

Originally Posted by Rux

Where did you all read that the M3 48v mild hybrid will be an S58? I read https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/10/17/bmw-m3-g84-over-523-horsepower-awd-and-auto-only/ that it’s going to be a 525 hp B58.


Makes sense right? B58 passed the new euro emission standard and BMW can use the M440 as a starting point. Why do you think it has all the M shit on it? Boost that B58 up some power and GRATs the M light is now the new M.



I’ll let you all hater figure out what that will do to REAL M cars that came before it….

No one is hating? For reference, the S68 hybrid in the LCI X5/X6M (as well as some M60i models I recall), while similar to the S63 it’s predecessor, doesn’t share a whole lot in common with it from what I’ve seen.

With that in mind, we most likely won’t seethe S58 reused neither and it will carry a new S engine code for that chassis.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Jimjamz

I hate to be the one to say it but M3 prices don’t hold up brilliantly well. Every new generation takes the car in whole new directions and new buyers don’t want the old.

Im not sure this is always the case. A well equipped 2018 M3 at 80k price point with 60k miles on the clock has about 50k (63%) market price today after 6 years which was supposed to have 56% residual after 3 years.