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Horrible decision on BMW's part. The 2er Vert had a much better price point. My next Convertible definitely won't be a BMW.
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Honestly, now I see why BMW holdback so tight on announcing their newer models because it would obviously outshine their current offerings (duh).. |
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An interesting part of reading this is it tells you there will be such a thing as the ZF with just RWD.
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That said, I also don't think it will be an option. Assembly lines are optimized down to the last nut and bolt and there are parts that are specific to NA spec cars. |
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Yes, my thinking is that their will be slight manufacturing differences and processes between the two factories, making ED impossible.
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03-09-2020, 04:13 PM | #76 | |
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And isn't that the whole point of the DCT, because you guys keep saying it's faster than manually shifting? If you care about driver engagement over numbers, then you get the manual. If you want an automatic, you get an automatic, DCT or 8HP. |
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Re: my "objective reasons", loads of time driving them, owning, and tuning them. I'd be more than happy to drive you in back to back cars, DCT and ZF8, something tells you'll walk away and say, "You know, you're right." Look, I am not here as a manual vs auto or DCT guy, I could care less what anyone chooses to drive. |
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Remember when the original M8 was downgraded to the 850csi because it was too heavy? They thought it would damage the brand and that car is a legend AND had more 'Me to it than the M2 of last gen and this upcoming gen appears to have. |
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At this point I don't even want them to come up with a new model.
Just keep building F87, problem solved.
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We only have ourselves to blame for the shift away from DCT's. Automakers are phasing out DCT's because North Americans as a whole complained about the clunky slow speed shifting. Audi is also shifting away from them because of this. Everyone likes to think they buy these cars to track them but the reality is that most don't and a lot of the people using these as daily drivers will appreciate the more refined operation and butter smooth shifts of the ZF8. The DCT and the ZF are both very good automatic transmissions and while personally on a car like an M2 or M3 I may prefer a DCT for the rawness ultra-quick downshifts, the ZF would certainly not be a deal breaker for me as it's a really good automatic transmission.
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I do not agree with that "then get a manual" because while DCT doesn't have a third pedal, it makes up for much faster manual shifts with consistency. ZF8 can be fast but is rather inconsistent and struggles to cope with prolonged heavy duty use (track). Most importantly, DCT's responsiveness just makes driving more enjoyable. I have to second-guess what ZF8 wants to do when pushing around mountain roads and that gets tiring.
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https://www.bmwblog.com/2017/05/22/o...arkable-thing/ Unfortunately the bean counters deemed it too expensive and didn't think it would make a profit so they never produced it. |
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