[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by Blksnowflake

So you want a great driver to get a crap car. All the greats had great cars, their hard work and performance led them to great seats. If Hamilton sucked anywhere along the way as so many claim, he would have never made it this far. Six championships and people still in denial.
You damn right he's in the best car, because he's proven to be the best of the drivers on the grid. Brady played with an awesome team, Messi played on the best team, Jordan, Lebron, anybody who has talent and proves themselves is going to be given the merit of his worth to succeed, and also make intelligent choices to succeed. When Ham went to Mercedes, it wasn't the best team, it evolved into the best team with him there. It could have gone wrong, but winners make winning type decisions.
People act like he won the F1 car lottery and landed in the best car by luck. Wrong!

Ridiculous to expect Hamilton to be in the shittiest car "to prove" himself and put someone like Latifi(sorry bro) in the best car, just because there are some butt hurt Crashtappen fans out there.

Come back to reality.
Please report back when who ever you claim has real talent comes to the table with seven championships in the shittiest car.

This post is loaded with truth, and I’m the furthest from a Ham fan there is.

[FuzzyPeaches]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

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And so would several other drivers on the grid. I'm missing your point.

Max is a great driver and will get his, eventually. I'm not even close to being a Hamilton fan, but until he puts a foot wrong, which is rare, he'll continue to win.

[Dutch Devotion]

Without VER the F1 would be utterly boring.
With HAM the F1 is utterly boring.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by Dutch Devotion

Without VER the F1 would be utterly boring.
With HAM the F1 is utterly boring.

True. There would be less drama for sure. Also less entertainment and less to lough at. So you’re totally right.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by clutchdj

Lewis only had one year of F1 seat time back then. Anyway Nico was the only female in F1 at the time, most guys wouldve been pissed.

Not so bad for a female ...Pissed was the weeping GOAT !

[yco]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Not so bad for a female ...Pissed was the weeping GOAT !

mate i posted in some other thread but Hamilton lost 40 points directly through technical problems with the same car.. China, Spa, Malaysia.. Rosberg lost 3 points directly through technical problems.. Silverstone..

all in all Rosberg won the tittle.. cause motorsports include machinery as well.. but as i ve told before after 15 years Rosberg will confess why he retired..

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by yco

mate i posted in some other thread but Hamilton lost 40 points directly through technical problems with the same car.. China, Spa, Malaysia.. Rosberg lost 3 points directly through technical problems.. Silverstone..

Indeed....you'd have to have zero understanding of F1 to believe that Rosberg won his DWC because he was the better driver.

[racerbruce]

Just received my latest GP Racing magazine yesterday and it's so great to see HAM on the cover, standing for inclusion and justice.

Started reading the cover story about HAM's life and the really ugly stories of how he and his family were treated as they competed in karting decades ago.

HAM is a great example of greatness at so many levels.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by racerbruce

Just received my latest GP Racing magazine yesterday and it's so great to see HAM on the cover, standing for inclusion and justice.

Started reading the cover story about HAM's life and the really ugly stories of how he and his family were treated as they competed in karting decades ago.

HAM is a great example of greatness at so many levels.

Personally I’m quite fed up with his campaign. He, as well as any other in his industry, should stick to the automotive racing.

[Admiral]

Well well, Hamilton got away with it again, what a surprise, I wish I'd put money on it

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Admiral

Well well, Hamilton got away with it again, what a surprise, I wish I'd put money on it

Got away with what?

The normal penalty for his infraction is a grid drop. This is the first time it was a timed penalty.

[troyboy22]

This dude had to work for it and now he's kicking ass. Definitely talented and not just the car - look at the beginning of his career,
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[David70]

Jackie Stewart -

https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilto...-list-stewart/

“(Juan Manuel) Fangio in my mind is the greatest driver that’s ever lived, with Jim Clark as the second greatest even ahead of (Ayrton) Senna,” Stewart told the ‘In the Fast Lane’ podcast.

“Frankly, the car (Mercedes) and the engine are now so superior it’s almost unfair on the rest of the field… it’s not quite the same respect if you like, of being able to do it in the less than the best car. And that’s where sometimes there’s the difference between the very very great drivers and the ones that were very successful.”

F1 calendar expansion means drivers compete more often each year now than in the past, but in terms of win percentage Fangio leads the way ahead of Alberto Ascari, Hamilton and Clark, with Stewart himself eighth, one place behind Schumacher and one ahead of Senna.

“To say that Lewis is the greatest driver of all time, would be difficult for me to justify, if you understand me, in sheer power of what the other drivers were doing.

“There was a level playing field that simply doesn’t exist today, so therefore it’s difficult to identify who really are the very best racing drivers themselves from just behind the steering wheel.”

[David70]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Max Verstappen reached a milestone at the United States Grand Prix as he took part in his 100th Formula 1 race at the Circuit of the Americas 2019.

How does Max Verstappen compare to Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso and Schumacher after 100 grands prix?
Not very well it seems.


Verstappen (Australia 2015 - USA 2019)
Titles: 0
Wins: 7
Poles: 1
Fastest laps: 7
Podiums: 29
Races led: 18

Hamilton (Australia 2007 - Germany 2012)
Titles: 1
Wins: 18
Poles: 21
Fastest laps: 11
Podiums: 46
Races led: 42

Vettel (USA 2007 - USA 2012)
Titles: 2 (3rd title secured in 101st race)
Wins: 26
Poles: 36
Fastest laps: 15
Podiums: 46
Races led: 47

Alonso (Australia 2001 - Italy 2007)
Titles: 2
Wins: 19
Poles: 17
Fastest laps: 11
Podiums: 46
Races led: 47

Schumacher (Belgium 1991 - Japan 1997)
Titles: 2
Wins: 27
Poles: 17
Fastest laps: 28
Podiums: 54
Races led: 46

Do you honestly think any of the above drivers would have had similar results in Max's car? I said it before but Hamilton has only actually raced Bottas for years. Bottas was finally able to come in 2nd to Hamilton in overall standings last year with a 3rd (2017) and 5th (2018). He is the perfect teammate in many ways but seems to have no chance of actually competing with Hamilton, also helping with Hamilton's wins.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by David70

Do you honestly think any of the above drivers would have had similar results in Max's car? I said it before but Hamilton has only actually raced Bottas for years. Bottas was finally able to come in 2nd to Hamilton in overall standings last year with a 3rd (2017) and 5th (2018). He is the perfect teammate in many ways but seems to have no chance of actually competing with Hamilton, also helping with Hamilton's wins.

You Sir , you won the Internet today !


Spot on ! I couldn't agree more ...

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by David70

Do you honestly think any of the above drivers would have had similar results in Max's car?

I think Hamilton (and Alonso and Schumacher) would have made far less mistakes than Verstappen and would have won the races that Verstappen won plus the ones he should have won.
Verstappen is fast but early days he went off the track far too often.
Crashing pre qualifying at Monaco...hitting Ocon etc.
These are all mistakes he should not have made and cost him wins.
The difference between a fast driver and a great driver is the ability to consistently drive at the limit without chucking it off the track on a regular basis.
Verstappen is fast but not great.

[David70]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

I think Hamilton (and Alonso and Schumacher) would have made far less mistakes than Verstappen and would have won the races that Verstappen won plus the ones he should have won.
Verstappen is fast but early days he went off the track far too often.
Crashing pre qualifying at Monaco...hitting Ocon etc.
These are all mistakes he should not have made and cost him wins.
The difference between a fast driver and a great driver is the ability to consistently drive at the limit without chucking it off the track on a regular basis.
Verstappen is fast but not great.

I agree Max made too many mistakes in the beginning and he could have more wins than he does. Also say he started F1 when he was 17 and Hamilton when he was 22? At the next race, like virtually every race in the last few years it is MB's race to lose unless something out of the ordinary happens or they screw up. If Hamilton and Max were to flip cars there is a chance Hamilton would have done better than Max did but Max suddenly would have a lot more wins than he does now. So many races the "race" is really over about 20 seconds after the lights go out. Then I do a rain dance or hope MB's screws up to make it an actual race.

I don't think anyone can prove that at this point in time that Hamilton is better than Max and one of the big problems with the competition is the car plays a major part of it.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by David70

I agree Max made too many mistakes in the beginning and he could have more wins than he does. Also say he started F1 when he was 17 and Hamilton when he was 22? At the next race, like virtually every race in the last few years it is MB's race to lose unless something out of the ordinary happens or they screw up. If Hamilton and Max were to flip cars there is a chance Hamilton would have done better than Max did but Max suddenly would have a lot more wins than he does now. So many races the "race" is really over about 20 seconds after the lights go out. Then I do a rain dance or hope MB's screws up to make it an actual race.

I don't think anyone can prove that at this point in time that Hamilton is better than Max and one of the big problems with the competition is the car plays a major part of it.

Exactly mate !

[Admiral]

Everyone keeps banging on about Hamilton, he's a good driver but nobody has considered who gave him the car to win, Toto has developed the team into what it is today so in my book if Hamilton leaves Bottas will be the next Champion, that's how good the car and the team are.

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by David70

I agree Max made too many mistakes in the beginning and he could have more wins than he does. Also say he started F1 when he was 17 and Hamilton when he was 22? At the next race, like virtually every race in the last few years it is MB's race to lose unless something out of the ordinary happens or they screw up. If Hamilton and Max were to flip cars there is a chance Hamilton would have done better than Max did but Max suddenly would have a lot more wins than he does now. So many races the "race" is really over about 20 seconds after the lights go out. Then I do a rain dance or hope MB's screws up to make it an actual race.

I don't think anyone can prove that at this point in time that Hamilton is better than Max and one of the big problems with the competition is the car plays a major part of it.

Did you watch the 2007 season...Hamilton's rookie year?
The best rookie year for any F1 driver ever and by a mile.
He started the season having had a few hours pre season practice at Barcelona-Catalunya but zero F1 race time at any of the other tracks.
He hadn't even raced at several of the F1 tracks in previous series.

So with almost no time in an F1 car or set up experience he was up against 2 time world champ Alonso - regarded by his peers as one of the best drivers of his era.
The rest is history..bar a gearbox glitch he would have won the DWC in his rookie year.

I don't really like Hamilton but he has a natural talent that far surpasses Verstappen.
If Verstappen crashed less then sure you could put it all down to the car.
Verstappen is fast but lacks Hamiltons natural feel for driving at the limit.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Haha what really is, must pinch the Max bashers badly my friend.

"Front page news in Belgium" (the latest F1 news)

The article is in Dutch only => https://racingnews365.nl/hamilton-wi...kele-race-meer

Of course this article is applicable in this thread only !

[David70]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Did you watch the 2007 season...Hamilton's rookie year?
The best rookie year for any F1 driver ever and by a mile.
He started the season having had a few hours pre season practice at Barcelona-Catalunya but zero F1 race time at any of the other tracks.
He hadn't even raced at several of the F1 tracks in previous series.

So with almost no time in an F1 car or set up experience he was up against 2 time world champ Alonso - regarded by his peers as one of the best drivers of his era.
The rest is history..bar a gearbox glitch he would have won the DWC in his rookie year.

I don't really like Hamilton but he has a natural talent that far surpasses Verstappen.
If Verstappen crashed less then sure you could put it all down to the car.
Verstappen is fast but lacks Hamiltons natural feel for driving at the limit.

I agree, Hamilton's rookie season was one of the best ever. Not seeing how you will ever prove Hamilton's the best ever or his level of natural talent or ability to drive at the limit being above everyone else's, it just an opinion. We'll also never know how much of what he accomplished was his ability or the luck in switching from Mclaren to MB at the exact right time. If he hadn't made the switch his career could have looked much different

I also never said Max was better than Hamilton overall, just brought up the question that if in equal cars today I don't know who would win.

I think Max is now 23 and Hamilton started F1 when he was 22. If Max had waited another 5 years to join F1 (22 instead of 17), and gotten more experience some amount of the mistakes wouldn't have happened and he obviously would have acted more mature in his first few years.