[Ricochet48]

Originally Posted by fcman

B58 is great for sure but let’s not kid ourselves, the s58 is an improvement over the B58 in every way

Not it's not, S58 has way worse mpg for power that's basically not usable unless you're on the track or at "arrest me" speeds.

[dmboone25]

That 240 sounded really good.

Tuned M2 / S58 would have been fun as well. Those cars will be insanely fast.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Ricochet48

Not it's not, S58 has way worse mpg for power that's basically not usable unless you're on the track or at "arrest me" speeds.

Ok, you got me there

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by Rat_House

Hahahaha I think you’re the one confused. I mentioned absolutely nothing about a 240 or m2, all I said was the b58 is a great engine swap candidate. Go read a book… the most arrogant ppl are always the most ignorant.

I think you took a few too many SSRIs today. Relax. You're acting like Tiffany Gomas.

[6speed_M2]

Without watching this I would assume the M240i was either close or won.

xDrive is no joke and we’ve seen the numbers of both engines stock or tuned.

I never understood why the M2 didn’t get the 2nd gear launch control like the RWD M3/4 or the xDrive.

In terms of MSRP, they’re close enough in price that the M2 seems like the obvious choice (for me).

[Rat_House]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I think you took a few too many SSRIs today. Relax. You're acting like Tiffany Gomas.

Nah I’m just interacting with too many morons like you who seem to have no idea how to read or operate the internet. Don’t forget who decided to engage with me over something I never said….

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

“Matte black wrap looks great. Mine in Melbourne Red with bronze Apex wheels also great.

Obviously, what makes the m240i look better are the bumpers.”

A true M-Car is always the “crème de la crème”

Looks are only part of the equation…

It’s the sum of the parts❕

[Ricochet48]

Video is as expected. Note that AutoID came on and said it had a downpipe as well. The intake/exhaust would only be a little hp add (if any), but the downpipe adds power even without the JB4 piggyback, etc.

The 6MT vs. ZF8 argument is getting tiring. Buy what you want and chill. I've driven my RSX-S with a top notch 6MT for almost 20 years, but realize improvements to autos have been made. Now they shift faster, get better mpg, and are a bit more engaging than the old slush my 2000 CR-V had. 6MT can be great on the track or trail of the dragon, but most of us are just stuck in traffic often (where it can be tiring af).

AWD is also a key feature these days. A solid chunk of Americans live in a climate in which AWD would help out. As hinted, if you're in city traffic the off the line traction will be more useful than the top end of the S58.

If you track very often, live in a warm climate with plenty of twisties, have $10K extra for the price and gas, and need a 6MT, and can put up with the boxy looks... go the M2 route. For 90% of more daily driver folks, the M240i(x) is very capable.

[NotSharocks]

Originally Posted by M2siast

As I mentioned before, unfortunately only one of those vehicles can be had in a manual and be a car to be considered.

So, in essence, this is a one car comparison.

While I agree with you, as I am a manual enthusiast, I am not blind.

The fugliness is still very much apparent.

If the manual was an option on the 240, it's the move.

[Squidget]

Yep, this went as we expected.

People do... realize that these are both BMWs and trying to shit on one or the other is friendly fire, right? You are SUPPOSED to shitting all over Mercs or Audis, FYI.

I really like the M240i, and it has better color options (and better options in general), and if it came in manual I probably would have gotten one. I have nothing but love for this great car.

That being said, I do NOT regret getting a G87, and even on city streets the improved turn-in and flat body roll puts a smile on my face every day. I love being able to hang the tail out in a way that an AWD never can. None of these things will show up in a drag race, but I don't care because I don't drag race.

There are people for whom the M240i is enough, and that's great. But there are also people who want to do things the M240i can't do.

Both are great cars.

[AlpineBoost]

Modified/tuned Non-M is competitive with stock M in a straight line. Shocker. Currently not possible as AWD vs AWD but this is at least a decade and a half old story.

[G42UPRA]

You know the M240i is an impressive car when this post is flooded with M2 owners trying to downplay every aspect of the G42.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by G42UPRA

You know the M240i is an impressive car when this post is flooded with M2 owners trying to downplay every aspect of the G42.

Except no one is actually doing that ("downplaying every aspect" lol), so maybe keep your false narrative to yourself, hmm?

[rons e92]

My M240i had Eventuri intake, AA catted DP and JB4. Most of the time I was running map 0, and when I had the car taken back to stock, it was noticeably slower. The downpipe makes a huge difference in turbo spool and top end power. Peak might not be much different, but the area under the curve must have been significantly better.

Something also to note, on a runway, so no prep, I was able to run 11.9@117 on JB4 map 1 with 93 and 9" front and 10" rear Apex VS5RS wheels with Michelin PS4S tires. I'll have to break the draggy out and see what my G87 can do with downpipes and intake. Not going to do JB4 on this car. I might do racechip instead because I plan to unlock and flash it before I put any ethanol in the tank.

[eddj]

Originally Posted by 10"

Have you experienced many M cars?

They are not about straight line speed. Their steering is way sharper, the suspension geometry way better, and then feel so much more planted than a Non-M car.

Easy to benefit from those things on the street too. When I traded my 135 for my 1M it felt like a night and day difference in feel and behaviour. I am pretty sure those differences are present in any M vs. Non-M comparison.

You are talking about the past. For these current generations, actually " the M-lites" are now also engineered by the M division so the difference between them in all aspects is much less noticeable.

[rons e92]

Originally Posted by eddj

You are talking about the past. For these current generations, actually " the M-lites" are now also engineered by the M division so the difference between them in all aspects is less noticeable.

I owned a G42 M240i, drove it every day for a year and put 16,000 miles on it before trading it for my G87.

It's a night and day difference between the two in literally every way you could possibly think of other than the launch.

My M240i was lowered on Dahler springs, had staggered Apex wheels, I was running a JB4, it had an AA downpipe and an Eventuri intake. Even with those mods the stock M2 still feels like more of a performance car.

When I had the M240i put back to stock a few days before I traded it, it was abundantly clear to me. The M240i is a daily driver. It's meant to be a quick little commuter car you can use every day and you can have some fun with on the track.

The M2 is a racecar that they added creature comforts to. Everything from the throttle, steering, suspension, brakes, exhaust, the interior setup, the exterior looks, literally everything is dialed up to 11.

The M2 did make a massive leap in daily drivability, and I'm daily driving mine even with downpipes and a full exhaust system, but they're way further apart stock for stock than you'd think from a driving feel.

When I got the M240i and I was switching to the black badge, I almost didn't install the M badge because it felt dishonest to me, a kind of marketing ploy. Now that I own an M2, it's more clear to me. I was on the other side of the fence until I got the G87.

And this isn't to say the G42 is a bad car, or even a bad sports car. It's incredible. With a few little mods it can be really amazing, but they're not the same car. If I didn't need the equity in the M240i to get the M2 I would have kept the M240i as my daily and the M2 for weekends. Getting out of one and into the other it's abundantly clear.

Just my 2 cents. Don't flame me for having an opinion.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by G42UPRA

You know the M240i is an impressive car when this post is flooded with M2 owners trying to downplay every aspect of the G42.

G42 boys coping HARD

[hufington]

I own neither one but would buy the 240 and get a real tune plus suspension & brake upgrades with the saved money. I know an M car is more preferable to most but this would be cool weekend or track car.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by fcman

G42 boys coping HARD

Ugh, fairness means i have to scold you too. Please don't make it "us vs them." Both are good.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by hufington

I own neither one but would buy the 240 and get a real tune plus suspension & brake upgrades with the saved money. I know an M car is more preferable to most but this would be cool weekend or track car.

Fair, but be aware the difference is only about $11K, so you'll have to be frugal. And there are some things that the G42 won't be able to replicate even with mods. The new 10-step traction control system is a big one.

As long as your expectations are reasonable, the M240i is a great modding platform.

[Chris13002]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Fair, but be aware the difference is only about $11K, so you'll have to be frugal. And there are some things that the G42 won't be able to replicate even with mods. The new 10-step traction control system is a big one.

As long as your expectations are reasonable, the M240i is a great modding platform.

Also the M cars tend to have better resale value. But I'm not going to do any more convincing here. Seems pointless.

[hufington]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Fair, but be aware the difference is only about $11K, so you'll have to be frugal. And there are some things that the G42 won't be able to replicate even with mods. The new 10-step traction control system is a big one.

As long as your expectations are reasonable, the M240i is a great modding platform.

I know myself. If I get the M2, I'd spend a boatload of money for modding and then won't take it to the track as I would not want to mess it up. Lol. With the 240, it would not be a problem as I would not keep it for as long as I would the M2. But you're right about the price difference. Although, it might be easier and faster to get a 240 than get your hands on a M2.