[1stM]

It reached 281/282 km/h.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by 1stM

It reached 281/282 km/h.

Not quite at the 285km/h speed limiter.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by 1stM

It reached 281/282 km/h.

Lovely round gauges.

[N54B30A]

Originally Posted by ASAP

kind of shows how wildly unstable and incapable every version of the f87 was... it was an impossible car to drive fast due to total lack of stability

I wouldn't say it's impossible, just a less forgiving car which is why its a blast. I will say the stock shocks and springs on the f87 are probably the worst on any M car. Just throwing coilovers in completely changed the behavior on mine.

[1stM]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Not quite at the 285km/h speed limiter.

Ran out of track.

[KevM2]

Originally Posted by ourlee

I’m not embarrassed to admit it (I’ve never been on a track) that’s scary as fvck

Agree!! At those speeds, one may as well take off the seatbelt for more comfort as any crash is pretty much instant death with or without it

[r0wr]

Originally Posted by baron95

Why do you say that?

They are 10 seconds apart on ~7.5 min lap. Cup 2Rs vs PS4S is good for ~3 seconds on 2 mile track. At the ring that should be 10 secs+.



Edit: Some info that the M2 was on Cup 2. Not sure which (star connect or regular), so a bit tougher to match the CS time.

Because why would they make a CS version of their most popular M car that cost twice as much go around the ring with the performance level as their lowest tier M car?

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by csboi

That time looks very familiar.

Looked familiar to me too. Same exact time as the F80 M3 CS in 2018. At the time it was the second fastest production sedan to lap the ring. 1st that same year was the Alfa Romeo Giulia QV which beat it by 6 seconds. For reference the F80 CS had a BMW claimed weight of 3,527. I would have thought a B58 and 4 years of advancement would have had clocked a slightly better lap time. Weather, tires, driver, traffic etc could be at play for sure. Nevertheless, the 2018 F80 CS was no slouch for a 4 door sedan.

[helmet91]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Now, if they only still offered European Delivery........we could all try ours out there.

Originally Posted by chmura

Exactly.

This is why I have no interest in the new M2. No European Delivery.

I've only purchased 2 BMW's in my life and both were from the European Delivery Program.

Pop on down and visit your local recruiter or take the foreign service test.

ED is alive and well if you’re willing to put in the time. LOL

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by KevM2

Agree!! At those speeds, one may as well take off the seatbelt for more comfort as any crash is pretty much instant death with or without it

Not at all, take the right precautions, on a typical track with appropriate safety requirements and usage of belts and helmets you have a good chance of walking away from most crashes.

I was behind a fellow track club member in their F87 M2C early this summer (in my Caterham), when we entered a corner at about 180km/h. After braking to about 140km/h I wondered why they were still going way too fast for what is a right-hand 90km/h corner. They crossed a gravel trap and hit the concrete barrier side on before spinning and hitting it head on. The car was totalled, but they walked away with a few strained neck muscles.

You could hear the brake pedal hit the firewall in the in-car video, it wasn’t clear what caused complete brake failure other than there was fluid everywhere, maybe the famous S55 accessory belt failure or just track debris that caught and tore out the brake lines. Likely a freak failure, but a relatively safe outcome.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Lappy

Is there a list somewhere of what "compact" cars fall into this category?

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

So the Cayman GT4 ran a 7:28 and a G87, with 2 more seats, more street oriented tires, 500 more lbs., front engine, and actual comfort, etc. ran like 5 seconds behind, on a 13 mile track.
Damn, go BMW.

That was my original question too. As admirable as the 4 seats etc are the title of this is ‘sets record’.

Is the compact class BMWs own definition, 2 doors, 4 seats Front Engine RWD etc?

Just curious what’s been beater by the M2 here is all. I believe the RS3 is bettered with this tiem as others have said, great result ba the Quattro.

[KevM2]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Not at all, take the right precautions, on a typical track with appropriate safety requirements and usage of belts and helmets you have a good chance of walking away from most crashes.

I was behind a fellow track club member in their F87 M2C early this summer (in my Caterham), when we entered a corner at about 180km/h. After braking to about 140km/h I wondered why they were still going way too fast for what is a right-hand 90km/h corner. They crossed a gravel trap and hit the concrete barrier side on before spinning and hitting it head on. The car was totalled, but they walked away with a few strained neck muscles.

You could hear the brake pedal hit the firewall in the in-car video, it wasn’t clear what caused complete brake failure other than there was fluid everywhere, maybe the famous S55 accessory belt failure or just track debris that caught and tore out the brake lines. Likely a freak failure, but a relatively safe outcome.

Oh my, I had no idea the S55 had such an accessory belt!! Yet another thing to add to the growing list of possible failures on the S55. I love my M2C but I’m really starting to think I have no need to keep it now that I have the G87 with such a beast of an engine and overall being that it seems to have a much better reliability than the S55. If it wasn’t for the design looks I would’ve already sold it…. An old school Vantage circa 2013-2015 is a much tempting replacement

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by JustChris

That was my original question too. As admirable as the 4 seats etc are the title of this is ‘sets record’.

Is the compact class BMWs own definition, 2 doors, 4 seats Front Engine RWD etc?

Just curious what’s been beater by the M2 here is all. I believe the RS3 is bettered with this tiem as others have said, great result ba the Quattro.

Don't forget that the RS3 had Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (the equivalent of Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2R, the CSL tire), a step above the P Zero Corsa/Cup 2 on track performance. It makes a huge difference on such a track, with the same tires the gap would be much larger

Regarding the F87, you can clearly see how the G87 is much more stick to the ground thanks to the a better suspensions setup, the F87 was too bouncy, it was fine on flat surfaces, but it caused loss of traction (or DSC cuts) on bumps, whereas the G87 rides on rails.
For someone this could mean "less fun", but it's actually "more speed".

[KevM2]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

Don't forget that the RS3 had Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (the equivalent of Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2R, the CSL tire), a step above the P Zero Corsa/Cup 2 on track performance. It makes a huge difference on such a track, with the same tires the gap would be much larger

Regarding the F87, you can clearly see how the G87 is much more stick to the ground thanks to the a better suspensions setup, the F87 was too bouncy, it was fine on flat surfaces, but it caused loss of traction (or DSC cuts) on bumps, whereas the G87 rides on rails.
For someone this could mean "less fun", but it's actually "more speed".

That’s the biggest difference I feel when I drive the two back to back… I lose confidence in the car at high speeds as its too bouncy as you say, while the G87 has an amazing suspension that never makes you lose confidence

[DS_BMW]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

Looked familiar to me too. Same exact time as the F80 M3 CS in 2018. At the time it was the second fastest production sedan to lap the ring. 1st that same year was the Alfa Romeo Giulia QV which beat it by 6 seconds. For reference the F80 CS had a BMW claimed weight of 3,527. I would have thought a B58 and 4 years of advancement would have had clocked a slightly better lap time. Weather, tires, driver, traffic etc could be at play for sure. Nevertheless, the 2018 F80 CS was no slouch for a 4 door sedan.

I'm surprised it's not faster than the Giulia Quadrifoglio's time set back in 2016. The M2 has much more tire up front.

Giulia Quadrifoglio 7:32
F80 M3 CS 7:38
G87 M2 7:38
G80 M3 CS 7:28

Has Cadillac ran either CT4V or CT5V Blackwings?

[baj_baj]

Originally Posted by Lappy

Is there a list somewhere of what "compact" cars fall into this category?

You can find the top few lap-times here:
https://nuerburgring.de/info/nuerbur...ords?locale=en

Mostly hatchbacks, it's a bit of a stretch to put the M2 in this category

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

I'm surprised it's not faster than the Giulia Quadrifoglio's time set back in 2016. The M2 has much more tire up front.

Giulia Quadrifoglio 7:32
F80 M3 CS 7:38
G87 M2 7:38
G80 M3 CS 7:28

Has Cadillac ran either CT4V or CT5V Blackwings?

You can't ignore the difference in power, the Ring has long straights and the gap with the Giulia Q is relevant.
Here's the outcome of the M2 vs M4, which has basically the same straight line performance as the Giulia Q:

Compared with a recently tested M4 Competition xDrive, the slight performance deficit (of the M2) can be seen in the long fast ribs of the Nürburgring, where the raises appear to be less consistent on the higher ratios.

[gnx]

Speaking of power and ring times, here are a few dyno runs published during their respective ring time published super tests by sport auto.

Can’t seem to find the M2 CS and M5 CS, IIRC their respective maximum horsepower was 491 and 636, I will look it up.

[Davil]

I’ll never understand the fascination. See video below.

P.S., the amazing exact 10 second difference between each model may be what M now stands for. ///Marketing.

P.P.S., every manufacturer doing timed runs tweaks for times for marketing purposes. Quite a few have been caught out.

P.P.P.S., this has no relevance to me. I’m never going to drive around the Nurburgring with my car. I just like how it makes me feel. This has somehow become lost. It’s why modern Porsches are soulless boring things. G series have gone the same way. For people who like to talk about numbers on forums rather than sheer driving pleasure. Remember that?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gx1ESSwNXB0

[Davil]

Originally Posted by KevM2

An old school Vantage circa 2013-2015 is a much tempting replacement

Not a replacement. More a companion. It’s the one you will take out when you need automotive therapy. Not really a day to day proposition. Mine is 2017. One of the last 10 ever made. So old fashioned. V8 noise, manual gear box, hydraulic steering, heavy controls, similar performance to the F87 but naturally aspirated so you need to press the pedal. It’s not a drive it’s an experience. If it’s a drive for sheer pleasure I choose it over my F87CS every time. If I had to have one car only though it would be the CS. But thankfully I don’t have to make that decision. Both incredible cars in their own way. I can imagine a G8x and Vantage would also be a fantastic garage combo.

[Lappy]

Originally Posted by baj_baj

You can find the top few lap-times here:
https://nuerburgring.de/info/nuerbur...ords?locale=en

Mostly hatchbacks, it's a bit of a stretch to put the M2 in this category

Looking the the old rs3 video, how in the heck did that car hit 10kph more on the straight lol. 292 vs 282 for the m2. Smells like the new ctr "record" time posted by Honda which the car had more boost and different gearing lol.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

I'm surprised it's not faster than the Giulia Quadrifoglio's time set back in 2016. The M2 has much more tire up front.

Giulia Quadrifoglio 7:32
F80 M3 CS 7:38
G87 M2 7:38
G80 M3 CS 7:28

Has Cadillac ran either CT4V or CT5V Blackwings?

The G87 and G80 times here are listed for 20.8km. The F80 and Alfa are at 20.6km. G87 ran a 7:33.9 in the 20.6km