[ChiTownM]

I agree that you may want to take some time with this car - it has only 3K miles after all. The dealership can tell you about its history when you do your service visit.

I know that you want to mod the car and another option would be to keep the car as is and drive it through the summer like you stole it - since you have warranty who cares what happens. If it runs fine, proceed to modding. Maybe by the summer you can get LCI plus Carbon Buckets…..

[Pickle of the Turk]

Originally Posted by 335

I spoke with the owner of the dealership today and received a small reimbursement and the second fob has been retrieved from the previous owner. I have decided to spec a new M2 at my dealer tomorrow and drive this one until it arrives, then trade this car in on the new one.

Thanks for all your help and insight.

Totally understand if you don't want to/can't share details, but did you end up talking with the previous owner too?

[IAmSpeed]

Not much you can do beside giving it a great care from now on. All evidence you mentioned all points to a heavily tracked M2...

[bislag]

Originally Posted by keonigt

How are you getting such good mpg?

I’m at around 20-22mpg and I’m still breaking in.

Their profile says they're in the UK. The UK gallon (Imperial gallon) is 20% larger than the US gallon, which inflates their MPG numbers.

[Lawsoc]

Originally Posted by bislag

Their profile says they're in the UK. The UK gallon (Imperial gallon) is 20% larger than the US gallon, which inflates their MPG numbers.

Oh yearh I’m UK 🇬🇧 didnt think of that actually, my car is also a auto - almost 900 miles now and I’m 25.5 mpg but haven’t been in sports or sports + at all much - cold and wet roads also here. Can’t wait for my service and some dry warmer temps and the mpg I’m sure will soon start plumeting

[Biglife]

Hey OP, I empathize with your situation regarding the cosmetic damage; it's disappointing when the dealer falls short. Rest assured, their lack of commitment will catch up with them eventually.

Speaking from personal experience as a regular G87 M2 track enthusiast, I can attest that myself and the majority of the fellow drivers I engage with on the track prioritize upkeep and preventative maintenance. My M2 has eyes on the engine, components, fluids, underside etc much more often than the daily driver.

M cars are designed to be driven hard – it's part of their essence. So, don't let the initial worries about the first 3k miles overshadow the enjoyment of owning such a spirited vehicle.

[335]

Hi all, I just wanted to post an update that the car has been sold. Within 2 days of receiving my title, I traded the car for a brand new '24 with 12 miles on the clock. It's identical spec to my first one, except this one has a heated wheel and wireless charging, which the first car lacked. I think it has every option except the carbon buckets. Looking at aftermarket options for seats, as I find the seat bases on the standard seats very lacking in lateral support when drifting / driving spirited.

I bought the first car with 2800 miles and by the time I finally received my title the car was at 42xx miles. During my ownership, the average lifetime mpg rose from 11.7 to 14.4, and I drove it pretty hard.

The dealer that I traded the car to confirmed break-in service was performed, but was quick to pick up on some of the flaws I originally noticed and the additional ones I discovered with all your help in this thread. Dealer put it in the air and said the rear alignment was tweaked to hell and also claimed the hood and trunk were resprayed, which I disagreed with. Dealer based this claim off paint meter readings, which makes no sense since the hood has PPF on it. Regardless, the service manager said it "broke his heart" to see a car with the carbon buckets and such low miles in such bad shape.

I agree with the sentiment of many on here that the motor would probably be fine, but I couldn't get over the cosmetic issues. The pictures of the paint flaws I posted here didn't do it justice. Would have taken way too much work to get it to an acceptable state. My new car is going in on Monday for paint prep, full PPF and ceramic coating.

The main point I wanted to make is to say do not buy this car unless you're prepared to deal with the issues: https://www.bmwofowingsmills.com/inv...3dm02p8d49042/ VIN: 3MF13DM02P8D49042. Pictures aren't up yet.

The same dealer that was shocked at its condition is advertising it as "excellent condition" and 1 owner, even though I was the second. Maybe the dealer will paint correct / repaint the car and fix the dent and address other issues to justify the 73k ask, maybe not. As of now, the car is listed in their "pre owned" section, not "certified pre owned." Speaks volumes on a 4k mile car.

Here is the total list of issues I found with the car:
- Aftermarket brake pads installed <2800 miles
- Brake rotor thermal cracking <2800 miles
- Rear tires replaced <2800 miles with non-OEM PS4S
- Rear brake pad wear sensor broken or disconnected
- 11.7 lifetime avg mpg at 2800 miles
- 2 curbed wheels and general poor paint condition on all wheels
- Alignment way out of whack and steering wheel off center
- Dent in passenger rear quarter panel
- Rock chips that penetrated PPF on hood down to primer
- Rock chips and scrapes on side skirts and rear quarters typical of a car with 50k+ miles
- Glazed clutch / clutch chatter
- Minor rock chips on carbon roof and some more significant ones on C-pillar area and elsewhere
- Dealer claims car was repainted, which I disagree with, but they based their conclusion on the very poor paint quality on a low mileage car
- Missing trunk and grille M2 badges
- And a minor, curious, obsessive detail: The little "M" logo in the center of the bottom spoke on the steering wheel is halfway worn off. Within the context of the above issues, it makes me wonder if maybe this was a drift car and the logo was worn off by driving gloves and lots of opposite lock.

All signs point to this car being driven right off the lot and right to track days or drifted. No conceivable way in my mind this car was properly broken in for 1200 miles and that the above symptoms developed over the remaining 1600 miles until I bought it. Caveat emptor.

At least if someone sees this and wants to pursue the car, they know what they're getting into and can negotiate accordingly. I'd advise to stay away.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

335 Someone obviously rode this car hard & put it away wet. Also wondering if someone found a way to disable to odometer... ? And yes, it can be done by removing a pin the instrument cluster / ignition area or the transmission I believe. Sorry you had to go through this crap just to get a nice M2. Whenever dealerships say a used car is in excellent condition, 95% of the time their blowing smoke & a quick 1-2 minute inspection can prove the previously owned car is anything but perfect.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by murderspice

What an absolute scam. This 100% deserves reporting to BMWNA. Glad this worked out for you; now get something for your time and toil (like all free maintenance).

Forums - 1, crooked dealership - 0

What is BMWNA going to do? He didn’t buy it at a BMW dealership.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by robopp

What is BMWNA going to do? He didn’t buy it at a BMW dealership.

Apologies, as i did not notice this. Deleted.

[ourlee]

Happy you moved on from this situation it will be interesting to watch the car sit or sell. Confirms dealers are shitty by nature.
How much $ did this misadventure cost in the end?

[1slowspec3]

wow, glad this chapter is over for you.
Its why I can never justify buying an expensive, used sports cars. Its too much money to not know how it was actually taken care of.

how much did dealer give you for trade value? Owing Mills....

[335]

Originally Posted by ourlee

Happy you moved on from this situation it will be interesting to watch the car sit or sell. Confirms dealers are shitty by nature.
How much $ did this misadventure cost in the end?

Originally Posted by 1slowspec3

wow, glad this chapter is over for you.
Its why I can never justify buying an expensive, used sports cars. Its too much money to not know how it was actually taken care of.

how much did dealer give you for trade value? Owing Mills....

Thanks, feels great to finally be done with it.

Factoring in the trade-in hit and the fact that I now have to pay for full car PPF while the first car already had the front end done, loss will be into 5 figures.

Dealer made out better than I would have liked. I negotiated their initial offer up by a couple grand. Only so much I could do when there were only two cars on the east coast matching my criteria and similarly spec'd cars are usually snatched up within a week or two. Fortunately this dealer was only about an hour away.

[ourlee]

If I see you down the road at a c&c, I’ll buy.
In the end you won.

[335]

Originally Posted by Pickle of the Turk

Totally understand if you don't want to/can't share details, but did you end up talking with the previous owner too?

I'd be happy to share details if I had any. I made up my mind pretty quickly I didn't want to keep the car, so I decided to let it go.

[ESB]

Originally Posted by 335

Hi all, I just wanted to post an update that the car has been sold. Within 2 days of receiving my title, I traded the car for a brand new '24 with 12 miles on the clock. It's identical spec to my first one, except this one has a heated wheel and wireless charging, which the first car lacked. I think it has every option except the carbon buckets. Looking at aftermarket options for seats, as I find the seat bases on the standard seats very lacking in lateral support when drifting / driving spirited.

I bought the first car with 2800 miles and by the time I finally received my title the car was at 42xx miles. During my ownership, the average lifetime mpg rose from 11.7 to 14.4, and I drove it pretty hard.

The dealer that I traded the car to confirmed break-in service was performed, but was quick to pick up on some of the flaws I originally noticed and the additional ones I discovered with all your help in this thread. Dealer put it in the air and said the rear alignment was tweaked to hell and also claimed the hood and trunk were resprayed, which I disagreed with. Dealer based this claim off paint meter readings, which makes no sense since the hood has PPF on it. Regardless, the service manager said it "broke his heart" to see a car with the carbon buckets and such low miles in such bad shape.

I agree with the sentiment of many on here that the motor would probably be fine, but I couldn't get over the cosmetic issues. The pictures of the paint flaws I posted here didn't do it justice. Would have taken way too much work to get it to an acceptable state. My new car is [...]

Just read this whole thread. Congrats and overall a great/positive ending! Crazy experience.

A bit sketchy that the dealer you traded in to is marking it as 1-owner and “excellent condition”. Carfax will show its 2 owners anyways..

But as you said maybe they’ll correct the cosmetics to make up the difference.

Did you ever message Tag to check service records? You said the dealer said break-in service was done but later you seemed to place doubt on it (or I misread).

Good on you for pasting the VIN. Any future buyer considering this car that googles the VIN will almost certainly come across this thread.

Originally Posted by 335

I'd be happy to share details if I had any. I made up my mind pretty quickly I didn't want to keep the car, so I decided to let it go.

Figured as much but my morbid curiosity was hoping you called and got background as I kept advancing through the thread.

Glad you get to move on from this now!

[Tag]

Originally Posted by ESB

Just read this whole thread. Congrats and overall a great/positive ending! Crazy experience.

A bit sketchy that the dealer you traded in to is marking it as 1-owner and “excellent condition”. Carfax will show its 2 owners anyways..

But as you said maybe they’ll correct the cosmetics to make up the difference.

Did you ever message Tag to check service records? You said the dealer said break-in service was done but later you seemed to place doubt on it (or I misread).

Good on you for pasting the VIN. Any future buyer considering this car that googles the VIN will almost certainly come across this thread.



Figured as much but my morbid curiosity was hoping you called and got background as I kept advancing through the thread.

Glad you get to move on from this now!

He did not but now that the VIN is public here is the report. If anything, it may help someone else who is interested in this car determine if it's worth buying and/or give them added leverage negotiating the purchase price. Anything not listed in the report, like brake pads means it was not done at a BMW dealership or else it would have been logged.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by ESB

Just read this whole thread. Congrats and overall a great/positive ending! Crazy experience.

A bit sketchy that the dealer you traded in to is marking it as 1-owner and “excellent condition”. Carfax will show its 2 owners anyways..

But as you said maybe they’ll correct the cosmetics to make up the difference.

Did you ever message Tag to check service records? You said the dealer said break-in service was done but later you seemed to place doubt on it (or I misread).

Good on you for pasting the VIN. Any future buyer considering this car that googles the VIN will almost certainly come across this thread.



Figured as much but my morbid curiosity was hoping you called and got background as I kept advancing through the thread.

Glad you get to move on from this now!

If the OP didn't surrender the title and get one issued in his state/his name the car might not have had him as a legal owner. Thus it might still be a one owner car...

Also, CarFax is not perfect. I had a car hit (while parked). Had the car fixed. After about 18 months decided to trade it in for a new car. Used car appraiser greeted me and after exchanging pleasantries I told him the car had been in an accident. Not a bad one. Had pics of the damage, a copy of the repair paperwork. He barely did more than glance at the stuff. Handed it back to me. I said those were copies for his records. He declined to keep them.

Car passed used car check out with flying colors. Car was in excellent condition and had good servicing and only 8K miles. I received an acceptable trade in allowance offer and went ahead and bought the new car (2022 BMW 230i).

Some weeks/maybe a month or more later curious I googled my trade in car's VIN. Found the car offered for sale at some distant dealer. Read the details and it was stressed the car had a *clean* CarFax. I read report details and no accident showed up.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

If the OP didn't surrender the title and get one issued in his state/his name the car might not have had him as a legal owner. Thus it might still be a one owner car...

Also, CarFax is not perfect. I had a car hit (while parked). Had the car fixed. After about 18 months decided to trade it in for a new car. Used car appraiser greeted me and after exchanging pleasantries I told him the car had been in an accident. Not a bad one. Had pics of the damage, a copy of the repair paperwork. He barely did more than glance at the stuff. Handed it back to me. I said those were copies for his records. He declined to keep them.

Car passed used car check out with flying colors. Car was in excellent condition and had good servicing and only 8K miles. I received an acceptable trade in allowance offer and went ahead and bought the new car (2022 BMW 230i).

Some weeks/maybe a month or more later curious I googled my trade in car's VIN. Found the car offered for sale at some distant dealer. Read the details and it was stressed the car had a *clean* CarFax. I read report details and no accident showed up.

Exactly. A clean CarFax isn't worth the paper it's printed on & never has been. Just because no accidents show up doesn't mean that one never occurred. I once bought a E39 M5 that was in a very major accident. The entire drivers side rocker panel, driver side b-pillar & much more was replaced, welded back in & repainted. This was back when I was a touch younger & didn't know any better. A proper paint meter will reveal what the eyes can't see.

[335]

Thanks to all for the supportive comments. I'm definitely glad to be in a brand new car. Just got it back from paint prep and full car Xpel Ultimate. Feels great to have a perfect car that is properly protected.

I still find myself oddly intrigued by the last car, so I've been trying to track it down. The vehicle was only listed at BMW Owings Mills for a couple days until the link went dead and the car was removed from their inventory.

It left me curious enough to run a CarFax, which I attached. It states that:

-Car was offered for sale by BMW Owings Mills on 1/24/24 with 4,252 miles.

-Failed safety inspection on 1/31/24 with 4,254 miles. Maybe due to the "brake service needed" dialog that kept coming up because the rear brake pad wear sensor was broken or disconnected. Only thing that comes to mind. I'd think a BMW dealer would know enough to fix that prior to inspection if that could cause a fail.

-Listed for sale again on 2/6/24 which is obviously just two days ago. CarFax describes it as an "online listing," but doesn't specify where.

If I search the VIN 3MF13DM02P8D49042, it only brings up defunct links to various Safford dealers (the parent company of BMW Owings Mills). And a TrueCar link back to the dealer in Washington that I bought it from.

I'm wondering if maybe it got sent to auction. Would explain why the 2/6 sale listing isn't showing on any public sites. If anyone manages to track it down, please let me know!

Pics of the new one after leaving the detailer. Waiting until 1200 mile service to install mods.

From factory avg mpg on the new car so far is about 17.5 vs. the 11.7 on the last one.

[335]

Originally Posted by Tag

He did not but now that the VIN is public here is the report. If anything, it may help someone else who is interested in this car determine if it's worth buying and/or give them added leverage negotiating the purchase price. Anything not listed in the report, like brake pads means it was not done at a BMW dealership or else it would have been logged.

Thanks for this! So it looks like the rear tires needed replaced by the 1200 mile breakin service. Wow! I never noticed the "dent / wave" in the passenger door mentioned in the notes.

Interesting that the first owner seems like a particular person based on the service notes, yet he managed to trash the car in a couple thousand miles.

It looks like the 1/25/24 service from when I sold the car is flagging rear alignment out of spec. Am I reading that right?

Anything else to be gleaned from this that I missed?

[335]

Originally Posted by ourlee

If I see you down the road at a c&c, I’ll buy.
In the end you won.

Noted and thank you!

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

If the OP didn't surrender the title and get one issued in his state/his name the car might not have had him as a legal owner. Thus it might still be a one owner car...

Good thought, but I did title the car in PA just before trading it. It's reflected in the attached CarFax, but they still list it as "1 owner." Odd.