[BradMX5]

Originally Posted by Squidget

I think the Egg stopped making manuals a few years back? Hennessey probably still makes one, so you are factually correct. They are also batshit crazy, so I'm not sure it's *wise* that they do so. The manual Venom is probably less performant than the automated one.

Koenigsegg CC850 is this 2024 although it is a weird can be manual or auto system. Still crazy regardless as it's around 1200hp

I believe Lotus still makes a manual but some don't consider them super cars.

Add in the Aston Martin Valour

I swear there was an upcoming 1000+ hp car that was manual but can't remember the name or it was in a fever dream.

[fzr100098]

ZL1 1LE with 10 speed (and the 10 speed isn't even that great)
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...lightning-lap/

Unless I'm in a GT3, modern manual transmissions lost alot of their appeal because they just aren't that good, while autos keep getting better

I might be convinced by a proper dog box where you can aggressively slam through the gears, that isn't a typical synchro-based trans and certainly not the one in the M2 which is designed more for ease of use

2025 M2 ZF with more power and torque is a no brainer imo - should be mid 3s 0-60 and awesome for roll ons

[jmg]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

Has anyone bought an M2 and regretted not going with the other transmission?
I'm in a daily battle on what to get. Currently build is set to manual.

I know from reviews etc that the auto is made for this chassis. All my cars from 20-40 have been manual. Last two cars were a DSG Audi and my current Jeep.

I don't mind either but I know I won't have a fast manual for a few years unless I buy an old Porsche 944 or a 90s Honda. I don't have a commute but it will be fair weather daily.

I'm just having a hard time deciding

My build is currently set to auto because I wanted Adaptive Cruise Control, but I'm still debating... and I'll probably debate until it's too late to change my order.

However my past 3 M cars have been DCT/ZF8, each one was tracked, and I enjoyed each one at the track using the paddles.

Ironically, a "sports car" with a manual is more fun to drive to Costco to pick up a pallet of toilet paper and cheap Hot Dogs, but on the track where I'm actually driving at the limit and using the car as intended, the ZF8 is technically ideal. Emotionally, the manual is a blast at the track too, but that doesn't mean the auto isn't fun at all and there's about 100 other things that make driving spiritually enjoyable. If a stick shift the one and only thing that is preventing someone from enjoying a drive, I don't know how to help that person. That's a pretty constricting prerequisite considering how many great cars don't come with a manual anymore.

I don't need to prove to myself I'm a "purist" by driving a manual, I grew up driving them for over 15 years. That's proof enough. While I do want one eventually before they go extinct, it will be in a "purist" vehicle like Porsche GT4, E46 M3, or something. For now, I want to have fun whether I'm in stop-and-go traffic letting adaptive cruise take over, in the canyons on the way to Newcomb's Ranch, or at Laguna Seca diving into the corkscrew.

[T-Rexx]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

You are confusing performance of an element with performance of a whole car. I've established that performance difference between either variant of G8x is immaterial evidenced by the above test. Your allegations are all hypotheticals regarding elements of a car, none about the performance as a whole. Does it even matter when both cars post lap times within 1 second of each other? Note that Randy used ZF8 Comp with 510ps and still ran faster in 6MT.

If ZF8 were materially similar to DCT, supercar manufacturers would have broadly adopted it. Aston Martin ditched it for DCT, so did Bentley despite their "luxury" oriented approach and the front-engine layout of the cars. Why is that?

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by jmg

My build is currently set to auto because I wanted Adaptive Cruise Control, but I'm still debating... and I'll probably debate until it's too late to change my order.

However my past 3 M cars have been DCT/ZF8, each one was tracked, and I enjoyed each one at the track using the paddles.

Ironically, a "sports car" with a manual is more fun to drive to Costco to pick up a pallet of toilet paper and cheap Hot Dogs, but on the track where I'm actually driving at the limit and using the car as intended, the ZF8 is technically ideal. Emotionally, the manual is a blast at the track too, but that doesn't mean the auto isn't fun at all and there's about 100 other things that make driving spiritually enjoyable. If a stick shift the one and only thing that is preventing someone from enjoying a drive, I don't know how to help that person. That's a pretty constricting prerequisite considering how many great cars don't come with a manual anymore.

I don't need to prove to myself I'm a "purist" by driving a manual, I grew up driving them for over 15 years. That's proof enough. While I do want one eventually before they go extinct, it will be in a "purist" vehicle like Porsche GT4, E46 M3, or something. For now, I want to have fun whether I'm in stop-and-go traffic letting adaptive cruise take over, in the canyons on the way to Newcomb's Ranch, or at Laguna Seca diving into the corkscrew.

Agreed.
My first car was auto. 96 Civic. Then every single car has been stick up until my last car which was an Audi S4 with DCT.
I thought about ACC but I have it on my Jeep Grand Cherokee and I rarely use it even on long trips. When I do it's when there are long stretches of straight road. I feel like with the M2 I'm always going to be driving fast like I did with the S4.

I would love to hit the track but I'm not going to do it competitively. But like you I don't need to prove anything to anyone after driving manual most of my life in NJ traffic. If I had a heavy commute I wouldn't have considered the manual lol.

[fzr100098]

Again the biggest problem is these modern cushy/comfort synchro based transmissions

Drive a dog box transmission, you would never go back