[BrokenVert]

And we can play 1 upmanship in lms too. First car with disk brakes, first car with aerodynamic wings, first diesel powered car to be competitive. The list goes on for both.


And cite lms drivers that's were F1 drivers first? And what does that or the size of a tv audience have to do with technology. You guys keep grasping at sstraws and bringing up points that are irrelevant to the topic

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

You actually have to dial back the technological innovation to enhance reliability so I think you're starting to argue against your own point. This is why a Toyota Camry runs to 300k without issue and a 335i doesn't.

No you dont. You have to innovate more and come up with unique solutions to issues that come up over a 24 period of intense and fast motorracing. Innovation is the name of the game in lms

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by MontegoblueE92

You sir, are a moron and need to GTFO. Why would an engine need VVT when it is in each gear for less then a second? They are revving so fast that none of that stuff is necessary. F1 cars aren't cruising just above idle to go get groceries. They drive flat out at all times. Why would they need a variable manifold?

Please explain with your great knowledge of engineering how an engine that produces in the vicinity of 300 hp/L without forced induction is basic.

Lol, you have no idea, but I see no need to enlighten someone who starts their discussions so ignorantly.

[JCtx]

As we should know, technology like variable-valve timing and such make an engine more EFFICIENT throughout the rev range, but also more UNRELIABLE (more moving parts and more electric/electronic components)... and this is for a STREET engine. It's common sense you're not going to see that technology on a racing engine, which lives at the top of the rev range, and an 18K one at that. VERY different purposes. But that doesn't mean it's not a technologically advanced engine. It's like saying a regular person can perform like a top athlete because both have the same 'components' (2 legs, 2 arms, 2 lungs, etc). Yeah, try it some time . It'd take YEARS of training, and most likely not even that would bring you to that level. Same with an F1 engine. It takes a ton of R&D to just make a 'regular' 2.4L N/A V8 engine rev to 18K rpm and reliably last what they do.

[claude1225us]

Well fellow members I have to say formula 1 racing is the most advance auto sport.

[claude1225us]

Here is why F1 is more advance; in any of the other racing forum the driver does not have the capability to do adjustment such as the front wing or in some cases adjust the diff. Those adjustment are done by the pit crew in the other class of races.

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

And we can play 1 upmanship in lms too. First car with disk brakes, first car with aerodynamic wings, first diesel powered car to be competitive. The list goes on for both.

Wings? A few LMS can actually fly. F1 cars stick to the road.

And cite lms drivers that's were F1 drivers first? And what does that or the size of a tv audience have to do with technology. You guys keep grasping at sstraws and bringing up points that are irrelevant to the topic

First I'll give you one and he is my favorite driver ..... Mark Webber

Hans-Joachim Stuck
Derek Bell
Martin Brundle
Johnny Herbert
Mika Salo
Steve McQueen

I'm sure there is more. 24hrs is just a retirement job for F1 drivers. If lms was the quintesential race it would cost and draw a whole lot more than F1. 24hr of lemans can't even finish a race at speed, what kind of racing is this? Have you actually watched an F1 race latley? I TIVO F1 and watch it live. TIVO 24LMS also, but never watch it, because it's boring!

[MontegoblueE92]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

First I'll give you one and he is my favorite driver ..... Mark Webber

Hans-Joachim Stuck
Derek Bell
Martin Brundle
Johnny Herbert
Mika Salo
Steve McQueen

You left out the most recent. Sebastian Bourdais, Nigel Mansell, and Allan McNish.

[ptack]

The 24 hours of Lemans is my favorite race by far, but there really isn't that much of a comparison possible right now between P1 and F1 because P1 is pretty much a 2 builder race and sometimes it's not even that. Also I think there's less development in P1 on a year to year basis. I also suspect, but could be wrong, that there is significantly more money invested in F1 which would probably settle the question.

[phrozen06]

I love the DTM and the ALMS but F1 definitely is a technical tour de force.

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by MontegoblueE92

You left out the most recent. Sebastian Bourdais, Nigel Mansell, and Allan McNish.

Montego, Yes, Yes and no. Allan started in 24LM before F1, and sorry to say he wasn't up to par.

[BrokenVert]

Again what do those people have to do with technology?

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Again what do those people have to do with technology?

Only the best drivers get the opportunity to drive the most highly engineered and demanding cars to drive. Very few can do it. Also, if F1 wasn't the most advanced, drivers wouldn't earn more than $25M/yr. Perhaps you can explain otherwise? ALMS pull slow turn Gs, and drive fast in a straight line. Sounds like any one can drive a less capable LMS car?

Sounds like your heart is in LM and there is nothing we can say to change your mind, even your own poll can't do it.

Maybe this will help:http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=441984

[BrokenVert]

Jb you do realize that at Le mans it is common to drive at night right? and when I say at night I mean pitch black night without flood lights like at Singapore. Add to that the fact that it always rains at Le mans and the sheer stress of doing driver changes for 24 hours Le mans makes it a much more demanding race on the driver than a single F1 race.

All that while lapping a nine mile circuit in 3 minutes.

The best drivers in the world run at Le mans make no mistake about that.

[Chenry135]

yeah you're right, the fact that they drive at night with no flood lights makes it way more advanced. What were we thinking?

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by Chenry135

yeah you're right, the fact that they drive at night with no flood lights makes it way more advanced. What were we thinking?

JB was saying that LMS drivers make slow G turns and can only drive quickly in a straight line which is an outright lie. He also said that anybody can drive an LMS car which is also a blatant lie.

I was proving that LMS drivers are better than F1 drivers. Because ive lost the tech argument so why keep rehashing it.

[MontegoblueE92]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Jb you do realize that at Le mans it is common to drive at night right? and when I say at night I mean pitch black night without flood lights like at Singapore. Add to that the fact that it always rains at Le mans and the sheer stress of doing driver changes for 24 hours Le mans makes it a much more demanding race on the driver than a single F1 race.

All that while lapping a nine mile circuit in 3 minutes.

The best drivers in the world run at Le mans make no mistake about that.

I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure most people here couldn't name more than a few Le Mans drivers. I don't think I can name more than ten, and I'm a fan of every form of motorsport (besides ones that run in ovals). I think if you polled people on the greatest driver of all time, Senna, Schumacher, Clark, Moss, Prost, and Fangio would be popular choices while you might get Kristensen as an LM driver.

[Evice]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Somebody on the DTM thread said it was F1 but I dont think it is.

I personally think that its ALMS Prototypes because of the tech that goes into those cars and how long they have to race but im curious about what you guys think.

No need to discuss. It is F1. Just the damn steering wheel controls needs an extra engineer.

In addition: Your poll tells the story. Check out the results before wildly defending your argument People tell you the answer.

[JB135MDCT]

BV, Since you have succumbed to F1 being more advanced technically, you should start a new poll as to who is the most capable/technical driver. Don't forget to add WRC & MotoGP.

[xbook]

A common ECU doesn't sound very advanced to me....discuss...

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

BV, Since you have succumbed to F1 being more advanced technically, you should start a new poll as to who is the most capable/technical driver. Don't forget to add WRC & MotoGP.

Since most of you guys dont know LMS or its history that poll would be skewed towards F1 drivers.

Also LMS is a team sport as in 3 drivers to a car. I bet most of you couldnt name TKs codrivers.

[BrokenVert]

More Relevant Poll

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=446464